Hubs vs deraliers!

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Hi guys got a debate for you whats best hub gears or derailers?

I,ve had both, but now my mad racing days are behind me, i find i really appreciate the simplicity, reliability and cleanliness of my sturmney archer hub gear

now I know most of the theoretical advantages of both systems, but which do you guys prefere and why?

cheers

[J-sews]

Hi guys got a debate for you whats best hub gears or derailers?

I,ve had both, but now my mad racing days are behind me, i find i really appreciate the simplicity, reliability and cleanliness of my sturmney archer hub gear

now I know most of the theoretical advantages of both systems, but which do you guys prefere and why?

cheers

Uh...and please add a brief description of the two systems, so mental lightweights like myself know what we're talking about!  (What's a hub gear?) 

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Hi guys got a debate for you whats best hub gears or derailers?

I,ve had both, but now my mad racing days are behind me, i find i really appreciate the simplicity, reliability and cleanliness of my sturmney archer hub gear

now I know most of the theoretical advantages of both systems, but which do you guys prefere and why?

cheers

Uh...and please add a brief description of the two systems, so mental lightweights like myself know what we're talking about!  (What's a hub gear?) 

give me an hour and i,ll find some links mate

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Ok in essence a hub gear has all it gears inside the hub (anywhere between 2 and 14) heres a link...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hub_gear

where as derailleur  has all it gears externally and typically more of them.

link...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derailleur_gears

hope this helps,

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

All hail wikipedia :grin:

[Grant Lamontagne]

I've only ever used derailleurs before, but my guess would be that they'd be easier to maintain and fix at the side of the road.  I like simplicity.

Def

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

I've only ever used derailleurs before, but my guess would be that they'd be easier to maintain and fix at the side of the road.  I like simplicity.

Def

yeah there is that, but... derailleurs are more fragile in the first place, but i do agree that you can bodge a derailluer system to get you home, where as  if a hub gear went (very unlikely!) it would make life difficult to say the least to get going again.

[Grant Lamontagne]

I know you can mess up a derailleur pretty good- my bike rode me home a few times because of it!

But I just like to have access to the messups... I'd hate to think of what happened if a small stone got in there.

Def

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

I know you can mess up a derailleur pretty good- my bike rode me home a few times because of it!

But I just like to have access to the messups... I'd hate to think of what happened if a small stone got in there.

Def

Well generally speaking hub gears are sealed units so nothing should get in there.

but i take your point about derailleur, being accessable!

[Grant Lamontagne]

Yeah, I guess...  but I am hard on things, which is why I like SAKs, good quality tools and easily fixed components!

Def

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Yeah, I guess...  but I am hard on things, which is why I like SAKs, good quality tools and easily fixed components!

Def

well i only weight 11 and a half stone so i,m  not hard on anything :grin:

[Grant Lamontagne]

For those who are conversionally challenged, that's about 160 lbs!

Even when I was that light and lighter I was hard on things.  I don't mean to be, it's just something I have learned to deal with.  Things break around me...

It works out in the long run- whenever anything breaks I usually repair it about ten times stronger than it was originally.  That's the benefit of being the son of a Combat Engineer.  It don't have to be pretty, but it's gotta support a tank and it's gotta be ready in six minutes....

Def

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

  It don't have to be pretty, but it's gotta support a tank and it's gotta be ready in six minutes....

Def

not a bad motto to live by!

most of the stuff i own is massivley engineered anyway, i,ll gladly trade some sophistication for something that will not break!

even if you do end up paying for that approach some times!

ps i bet your dads got some cracking stories

[Grant Lamontagne]

Yeah...  it's amazing what those guys can build with no resources, and half the time doing it under fire! 

Given similar numbers, and restricting to conventional weapons, I firmly believed the Soviets, Chinese etc would win a war against the US simply because the AK-47 would fire not matter what...  sure it wasn't overly accurate but they'd have time to fire off a few shots while the Yanks tried to unjam the M-16's!

My father has some stories, but either not many or he doesn't share them much.  He eventually remustered to the Air Force and spent 30 years in Admin flying a desk.  He retired about 10 years ago to a small cottage in the backwoods of Ontario where he spends his days fiddling with boats, ATV's, computers, fixing up the house and garage etc.  This time next month I'll be up there too helping him build a shed, cut some trees, and whatever else needs to be done. 

But I guess that's a little off topic!

Back to the original question, while I wouldn't mind playing with a hub, I think I am firmly entrenched in the derilleur camp!

Def

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Yeah...  it's amazing what those guys can build with no resources, and half the time doing it under fire! 

Given similar numbers, and restricting to conventional weapons, I firmly believed the Soviets, Chinese etc would win a war against the US simply because the AK-47 would fire not matter what...  sure it wasn't overly accurate but they'd have time to fire off a few shots while the Yanks tried to unjam the M-16's!

My father has some stories, but either not many or he doesn't share them much.  He eventually remustered to the Air Force and spent 30 years in Admin flying a desk.  He retired about 10 years ago to a small cottage in the backwoods of Ontario where he spends his days fiddling with boats, ATV's, computers, fixing up the house and garage etc.  This time next month I'll be up there too helping him build a shed, cut some trees, and whatever else needs to be done. 

But I guess that's a little off topic!

Back to the original question, while I wouldn't mind playing with a hub, I think I am firmly entrenched in the derilleur camp!

Def

well if were nailing our flag to the masts, i,ll go with hubs!