Piranha

[Gadget Guy]

Gentlemen, some of us have strong feelings on this matter, so let's try to keep it civil and not fly of the handle or get offensive.  The simple fact is that like anything else, love it or hate it, Atwood's designs are out of the box now, and free for interpretation from just about any source.  You can like it, you can hate it, but like the sun coming up tomorrow, it's a fact.

And, each of us has the right to make a choice to buy or not buy whatever we want, based on our own preferences.  To dictate what someone should or shouldn't buy is as welcome as someone dictating to you what you should and shouldn't buy.

Def

Did I tell someone they couldn't buy it?  Like you said, I have my opinion... 

[nuphoria]

I don't think they are "too expensive" guys, just too pricey for me at the moment. 

I know that Peter sells them for less than the hyped up prices collectors will pay later and that's up to them of course. Things are worth whatever folks are prepared to pay I guess, that's how a consumer driven market works.

[Gadget Guy]

I would like to calmly say one last thing. I'm not against new ideas and new tool designs. I know Peter Atwood didn't invent the pocket tool and I know they've been around for 100 years. I know there are some other makers who make fantastic and original pocket tools, but where I draw the line is when somebody goes over to Peter's (or any other makers) site and says "Hey, let's make that". I know I'm in the minority here, but let me give you guys an example that might make some sense. Raker Tools are a supporter of this forum and Ray has to pay for that right. Do you guys think it would be fair if someone took Ray's ideas and changed them a little and said here go buy me? If you do, then that's your right to do so but at some point we should take a stand for the people who support this forum.   

I'm done ranting now.    I hope I gave you guys something to think about.     

[David Bowen]

I don't feel like getting into a debate cause I am tired, all I wanna say is....

I WANT ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

[Gadget Guy]

I don't feel like getting into a debate cause I am tired, all I wanna say is....

I WANT ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

It figures!     

[Mr. Whippy]

I do like their nail puller slot....

[Gadget Guy]

I do like their nail puller slot....

That is a nice touch.   

[RaptorMan]

So if they were a member on here and a board supporter it would be Ok for them to make it? I am still confused on your logic of this but as I said before everyone has their opinion and can choose to buy or sell whatever they like.

[Gadget Guy]

So if they were a member on here and a board supporter it would be Ok for them to make it? I am still confused on your logic of this but as I said before everyone has their opinion and can choose to buy or sell whatever they like.

No, actually what I meant was would you like a design "borrowed" from a person who supports this forum? I was trying to give a different angle that's all... 

[Grant Lamontagne]

Whether they support this board or not is immaterial.  This board discusses tools- we review, we report and we offer opinions.  We don't control the multitool industry, and we don't dictate what people can and can't buy.  We simply inform people on what is out there.  Blaming this board for promoting that is like blaming CNN for an earthquake.

One piece keychain tools are a good idea, and that's why lots of people are doing them.  Yes, Peter Atwood popularized them in the modern age, and deserves credit for that.  I have never tried to hide that, however this situation is akin to Tim Leatherman's great new product circa 1983.  Since this site is Multitool.org, we report on multitools- if only the original was important and the rest were to be dismissed as copies that steal the food from children's mouths, then I would have started everythingbutthePSTiscrap.org.

And, I would also like to point out that I am well versed in the frustration revolving around copycats out there.  Ask me over a beer some night about how I feel I about multi-tool.org, especially when you consider that most of the original info there came from this site and this community.  Of course the owner of that site insisted he wasn't stealing our name.  And, that's not the only one out there- I have a list of Swiss Army Knife and multitool sites that have copied what I've done, or the communities I've built.  However, like any other copycat, they will live or die by what they produce, just like PocketToolx.

The banner is a way to promote tool manufacturers- I don't put their names up here to advertise this site, and I have turned down banners for retailers that I felt weren't up to par.  This community deserves to have all the information so they can make an informed decision.  And, when they make that decision, it's important that there are responsible dealers willing to help them properly and look after their needs.  Off the top of my head I can offer several dealers or retailers that you don't see promoted here because they weren't up to snuff. 

And, if this tool is a hunk of crap, we'll report it as such.  If it's useful, then we'll say that too.  They will live or die by their own tool.

Def

[american lockpicker]

Are Atwoods patented?

[jzmtl]

No, patent takes a lot of money and time, and  while you can patent a specific tool you can't patent a concept.

I just finished reading the similar thread on EDCF, some atwood fans are taking it way to far and started name calling. While Peter popularized the concept it does not give him the exclusive rights to make them, otherwise nobody but leatherman should make folding plier MT and every major knife manufacturer should shut down. Even Peter openly admits he use elements from older tools to incorporate into his own.

[american lockpicker]

If its not patented or if it is and its produced under license then theres nothing wrong with it.

[AHB]

If its not patented or if it is and its produced under license then theres nothing wrong with it.

People are of course allowed to buy anything they want, but from my point of view there nothing new or innovative about the Piranha..
It looks like someone have been looking way too much over the shoulder and made a blend of the Crawdaddy and the Atwrench..
If I was needing something jawlike atm, I'll rather take a look at our own DoughDTD's Cronies, Link.. Just my 2 cents..  
 

[Benner]

If its not patented or if it is and its produced under license then theres nothing wrong with it.

I think the issue people have is the moral side of things, not the legality.