More 2010 Shot Show SOG stuff

[Woz]

Why not?
Come on dudes, AUS8 is a really good high quality blade steel. So is 440C.
Those steels have been considered being the "Supersteels" some years ago and lost this position too fancy D2, VG10, CPM S30V etc. Now the Trend goes to CPM S90V, SGPS (Fällkniven) and others.

As much as I like my VG10 and "better" blades, I still think they´re trendier but not really that much of an improvement. Yes Sirs, those newer steels AEE great, but it does not make 440C or AUS8 worse. Benchmade and Boker still make great 440c blades, and SOG really knows how to treat the AUS8. The AUS 8 blade of my Twitch XL gets crazy sharp, keeps a pretty good edge for a long time and is rust resistant. So why should SOG use a more expensive trendy steel if they get the very best performance out of the AUS8? Compared to my VG10 SOGs the AUS8 is very close.

I do not really care if my blades are S30v, 154CM, VG10,SGPS,440c,AUS8 or anything else as long as the manufacturer knows how to use and treat the steel. An old Spyderco, Boker or any other brand is still a good knife, even with the older steel. Sometimes maybe even better than a newer one...

[jzmtl]

I don't mind 440c/aus8, I mind aus8 selling at the same price as vg10/s30v.

[Benner]

Why not?
Come on dudes, AUS8 is a really good high quality blade steel. So is 440C.
Those steels have been considered being the "Supersteels" some years ago and lost this position too fancy D2, VG10, CPM S30V etc. Now the Trend goes to CPM S90V, SGPS (Fällkniven) and others.

As much as I like my VG10 and "better" blades, I still think they´re trendier but not really that much of an improvement. Yes Sirs, those newer steels AEE great, but it does not make 440C or AUS8 worse. Benchmade and Boker still make great 440c blades, and SOG really knows how to treat the AUS8. The AUS 8 blade of my Twitch XL gets crazy sharp, keeps a pretty good edge for a long time and is rust resistant. So why should SOG use a more expensive trendy steel if they get the very best performance out of the AUS8? Compared to my VG10 SOGs the AUS8 is very close.

I do not really care if my blades are S30v, 154CM, VG10,SGPS,440c,AUS8 or anything else as long as the manufacturer knows how to use and treat the steel. An old Spyderco, Boker or any other brand is still a good knife, even with the older steel. Sometimes maybe even better than a newer one...

That part is the problem.  Why should "we" be paying money on AUS 8 when other companies are selling the newer "superior" steel at the same, and frequently lower price?

[Benner]

Seems Jzmtl beat me to it.

AUS 8 is a fine steel, but for the prices SOG currently go for, I expect better steel.

[Witmen]

I don't mind 440c/aus8, I mind aus8 selling at the same price as vg10/s30v.

Exactly,  I never meant to bad mouth aus 8.

I like the look of the swedge line.  But even at 50% off I'd still never buy one.  Just because even at that lower price you can buy so much more knife then these.  Has SOG seen what other company's offer customers in knives?  I have no idea what they are thinking,  or how much credit they give their customers.  But basically every knife SOG makes is overpriced and doesn't compare with other manufactures offerings at all.

[Woz]

Don´t get me wrong, I know the prices are way too high on these new SOGs. But I do not think the newer steels are any better than the older ones. They are better in SOME parts, but no steel is really "better" in total than others. H1 is brilliant in rust resistance, but edge retention is average. D2 takes a lousy edge, but keeps it forever (not my word, quote from bladeforums some time ago), VG10 is nice whne it comes to sharp, durable edges, but it is not outstandig in any discipline that makes a good knife steel....

I really think
AUS 8
VG10
154CM
440c
N690

are pretty much the same. One might be better in one part, but none is really outstanding. Just think of:

edge retention
sharpness (small carbides)
rust resistance
flexiblity (so it won´t break)
ease of sharpening...

and tell me the one steel that outperforms all other steels in all these categories. Good heat treated AUS8 will outperform standard VG10, good VG10 will outperform average AUS8. It is not the steel, but marketing that makes VG10 "better". Still, I like all my knives, but I know it is not only the steel that makes them great, but the combination of ergonomics, innovation, durability, quality, materials and design. Think of it guys, Vic uses "lousy" steel, but who would blame them?

[Santos]

Oh, and one final note: when discussing the new Micro ToolClip (LINK) models with Spencer Frazer, he made mention of other SOG tools currently under development. No details were offered, other than the code name Unicorn Tool. (Okay, now THAT has me wondering!)

Good to see that SOG is not sitting on their heels when it comes to new tool programs.  

'Let us pray its sogs answer to the wenger ranger and mtech chopper http://www.redlinegti.com/forum/images/smilies/eusa_pray.gif