Modding a Rebar questions

[turnsouth]

That's a valid concern, and I don't think there's much that can be done about it.  LM had to make the tips of those springs round due to a large amount of warranty issues due to them breaking, so while grinding a crescent off of one side would work, it would weaken the spring.  They were breaking left and right on Core and Blast models.

Living in a town with a large metal stamping plant, I've had a few discussions with friends from there over a beer or two on this issue.

Two possibilities:

First: The reason for the round tip was to relieve stress at the base of the lock spring during initial stamping. Of all the Cores that I have had break, all of the springs broke off at the base of the lock spring. Looking at the break under a high powered lens, it shows that there was a long existing micro fracture that built up corrosion and led to the eventual breaking of the spring.

By adding the circular tab at the end to the spring (as apposed to a squared off tip), it forces the greater pressure of the press's die to concentrate most of the force on the larger surface area of the end, thus reliving stress on the base and preventing fracturing.

Second: A certain amount of micro fracturing cannot be avoided during the stamping process, so a rounded shape was added at the end of the spring to evenly distribute the force during day-to-day use, thus avoiding stress on any existing micro fracture and dramatically increasing the durability of the otherwise imperfect spring.


If the second reason is true, then any modifications to the end of the spring could quite likely lead to premature failure of some.

[Mercury]

 

Awesome answer.

[turnsouth]

Awesome answer.

Take it with a grain of salt, like I said it was a discussion over beer, so there was a lot of "You don't know what you're smurfing talking about" going back-and-forth...

[Metropolicity]

I have 2 BO Rebars from Steve.

1 to take apart....

1 to keep.

Soon, my dream compact tool will be realized. BO Wave, Rebar head, 154cm blade...

[Mercury]

Awesome answer.

Take it with a grain of salt, like I said it was a discussion over beer, so there was a lot of "You don't know what you're smurfing talking about" going back-and-forth...

Those conversations are the best!!

I have 2 BO Rebars from Steve.

1 to take apart....

1 to keep.

Soon, my dream compact tool will be realized. BO Wave, Rebar head, 154cm blade...

You must do a thread on that one!

[Metropolicity]

Just waiting on them from Steve, they shipped on monday

I HOPE it's a direct swap..although my tools are put away for the move across the country.

I'll see about doing a thread but to do it properly takes time

[Mercury]

Well I suppose that's reasonable.

[Outback in Idaho]

How do you line up the tools & those ever-so-thin washers when putting the bolt back in?
I mangled a small washer between the small bit driver and the scissors on my Charge TTi. Thought I had it lined up but then it fell out. So now when I open the scissors the small bit driver clusters out too. 

Had heard of a wooden jig that Leatherman furnished to overseas repair facilities/shops, but I have yet to see what it looks like.

Had pulled an awl from an ST300 and put in my TTi as I hated carrying all that weight just for an awl.
One would figure after all these years Leatherman would have gotten a hint for at least a limited edition Charge model with an awl in it. Maybe they will get it right with Rebar'ish pliers?

[MultiMat]

I use a bit of wire to keep everything together & push the fastener into place, you can wiggle the guiding wire about to help the fastener pass through everything 

 



Crappy photos I know. You can use 2 wires too thread everything into place & then hopefully bung the fastener through  wiggling the wire to get everything lined up helps  . Not sure if it will work with a Charge 

[JimShockz]

Just waiting on them from Steve, they shipped on monday

I HOPE it's a direct swap..although my tools are put away for the move across the country.

I'll see about doing a thread but to do it properly takes time

Moving can prove to be quite exciting,hope all goes well and with out a hitch,good luck.

-JS

[Metropolicity]

Just waiting on them from Steve, they shipped on monday

I HOPE it's a direct swap..although my tools are put away for the move across the country.

I'll see about doing a thread but to do it properly takes time

Moving can prove to be quite exciting,hope all goes well and with out a hitch,good luck.

-JS

Thanks JS! day 5 of packing and cleaning...the endless chores.

I left out my Vic Spirit and LM BO Wave in hopes that if it was a direct swap, I would walk away with an awesome hybrid tool.

[AimlessWanderer]

Unfortunately, I'm afraid this pretty well kills the idea of modding Fuse/Blast scissors into a Reber. Now we'll probably have to wait and hope Leatherman makes a special scissor for the Rebar with a longer shank.

OK, Chrissy aborted and I've got her set. I've had a good look over it, and I don't think the lock return spring would be the issue. I'm sure the spring would push up against the scissors when opening another tool, but I don't think that would cause any major problem (just push the tools back down again). As the scissors have to go "one tool in" from the side (for example next to the saw) in order to miss the rocker pivots - the bigger problem would be fitting the scissors down the gap between the saw and the plier head. As for the longer shank scissors fixing it, again I'm not sure.

For each increase made at the shank, the movable arm of the scissors must be increased the same to bring the thumb pad back towards the tool. I don't think there's enough space left between where the Blast scissors would come to, and where the side of the tool curls in of the long tool spots, to be able to increase both the tang and the arm to span the rocker pivots. That is of course unless they ended up making the scissor blades even shorter than they already are  It's almost like they've designed it "unscissormodable" on purpose.

And as for recessing the fastener heads, that's just cruel. Half the fun of multitools is being able to take them apart and make the refinements and design tweaks that they should have done in the first place 

I think it could be made knifeless ... though it might not look pretty in the closed position, but the replacement tool could end up being a bit driver rather than scissors ...

saw to serrated blade spot
can opener to saw spot (it will clear the pivot)
remove spacer washer next to Phillips
complete that side with awl and small flat driver

file to plain blade slot
large flat driver to file slot (it will clear the pivot)
Fit bit driver in centre
Fit spacer washer (from other handle) between bit driver and file

[Gareth]

what makes me sad is that if we are having trouble fitting a set of scissors, then the chances of LM coming up with a scissors version seems to be extremely remote.

[AimlessWanderer]

I'd agree with that

[Metropolicity]

what makes me sad is that if we are having trouble fitting a set of scissors, then the chances of LM coming up with a scissors version seems to be extremely remote.

Unless their veer away from their scissor design and make a new scissor design. It's possible but you know how first productions are. That's why editions and MKII's are made.

[MedusaOblongata]

I'd love to see Surge type scissors that could take the place of one of the 4 large "blades."

[Metropolicity]

I'd love to see Surge type scissors that could take the place of one of the 4 large "blades."

You'd have to make your own or source some, the pivots are too large on Surge scissors. BUT maybe some Gerber ones, their pivots are quite small.

MAYBE even SOG parts? Never used them before.

[Metropolicity]

BOOM!

Dropped in like they were hot:

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,37770.msg608120.html#msg608120

Except for some scissor woes.

I still believe that scissors CAN be fitted into the Rebar, but some work will have to be done.

[sLaughterMed]

Just for posterity,  and for future modders who will certainly use this thread as a guide.

While putting Wave scissors on the far right side of a Rebar (above the lock hinge) is impossible, any other part of the Rebar will fit in this slot just fine. So, the scissors will fit in the slot immediatly next tothe far right slot, and any of the other single slot tools (can opener, blades, saw, file, flat drivers) will fit perfectly  on the far right.

[IvanDrago]

Hello!

Rebar is great, but I miss some decent scissors. I have no access to Leatherman spares, so maybe somebody know if SOG scissors would fit more or less? Of course I am aware that grinding may be necessary in that case

regards

[SteveC]

Hello!

Rebar is great, but I miss some decent scissors. I have no access to Leatherman spares, so maybe somebody know if SOG scissors would fit more or less? Of course I am aware that grinding may be necessary in that case

regards

Welcome to the forum   

When you have 5 posts you can send a private message to loki-mobile

He has parts for sale here

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,64314.msg1325714.html#msg1325714

[Poncho65]

Welcome to Ivan All what Steve says is spot on loki-mobile is very great to deal with and very reasonable on his parts and you have to have the minimum 5 posts for PM to work The wave scissors are a straight drop in and he sells the wrenches even to take them apart

[IvanDrago]

I'm on the fence about adding scissors to my Rebar. Should I buy Wave scissors from loki? Or maybe use scissors from Vic Swiss Card that I can buy for less than 10$ from local seller? The first option is straightforward, but I guess Vic scissors are better, however need lot of work to be adjusted to Rebar.

[hiraethus]

Get the Wave scissors form Loki.  I don't think the vic swisscard scissors will be an easy mod at all.

[IvanDrago]

Ok, but concerning quality, Vic scissors from SwissCard are better than LM?

[hiraethus]

Yes, they're better quality but the LM scissors are very good and work perfectly well.

[Poncho65]

The Wave scissors are a straight drop in mod and perform just as though they were put in from the factory

Plus loki is very good to deal with and a very great and stand-up guy who has helped this forum and plenty of members here out with his wrenches and parts

[Poncho65]

I love Vic scissors as well but for the Rebar the Wave scissors are perfect for it

Picking between the 2 I would pick Vic scissors but for this mod the LM ones just are better

Well for me anyways

Yes, they're better quality but the LM scissors are very good and work perfectly well.

Guess I should have just put +1 instead of writing out my post

[IvanDrago]

OK, I've got Wave scissors and I'm going to add them to my Rebar. Can somebody explain to me what should be the order of tools now? Including all washers because they fell on my desk when I pulled the axles out

[sLaughterMed]

OK, I've got Wave scissors and I'm going to add them to my Rebar. Can somebody explain to me what should be the order of tools now? Including all washers because they fell on my desk when I pulled the axles out

The thin washers go on either side of the long tools.

Long tools fit on either side, with the blade on the side with the cutout.  The scissors fit best in the slot next to the far right long tool. The rest is just playing legos until you find a combination that works for you.