Wenger Id Needed - Monarch almost but with small-blade and Corkscrew?

[ICanFixThat]

So what do you get if you take a Wenger Monarch and replace the nail file with a small blade, and replace the Phillips with a corkscrew?

I can't seem to find a name for this one.

[kirk13]

Golfer?

[enki_ck]

Golfer?

Good one.

[enki_ck]

Maybe an European only model? Hopefully Basilio or North Man will know.

[North Man]

hi, good one?
one will get a model here in europe 1 25 13, here it was called "Oberst"  i guess from the military oberst just not sure
ps corrected the number above, it the 1 25 13 Oberst you are looking for

[ICanFixThat]

Ok great thanks!

I should have mentioned no keyring; does that make it 1.25.12?

The name translates to Colonel which sounds likely, I remember Wenger having a model known as the Major at one time.

[North Man]

hi you are welcome

with no keyring it may have different number 1 25 13 oberst got keyringchain , hopefully another could say if another number, Wenger got variations on most like we know
yes Wenger had a model Major with number 1 23 03 in europe, hence the names are difficult to be fully sure on, Major : corkscrew, awl, nailfile, scissors, woodsaw, magnifier with precision screwdriver,fl.screwdriver with cap opener,knifeblade, can opener, keyringchain and the tt in the scales, these must be part of the Swiss Army Knife line that is mainline and not budget, then they probarbly had budget version too but Oberst and Major is mainline and may be european line...

[basilio]

Have a look at this topic, I had the same "dilemma" a while back
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,37520.msg603453.html#msg603453

[North Man]

this is the one i have mentioned in a catalogue 1 25 13 oberst, this model is from before the patented locking..

[enki_ck]

this is the one i have mentioned in a catalogue 1 25 13 oberst, this model is from before the patented locking..

Sorry to go a bit off topic here but as we have some of the most knowledgeable people on Wengers at the forum here... I was wondering when the patented locking bottle opener/screwdriver was added? I have a Wenger Sécurité 17 with a locking main blade but no locking bottle opener and some rough finish on the bottle opener cutout (some excess metal there) and was wondering when that one was made.

[North Man]

hi
i found talk on this in patents in 1982, it seems Wenger did go on with no locking a few years beside the locking that i would date to 1984

[North Man]

here is the Major 1 23 03 luckily i had this mentioned in a catalogue as Major, i got one in original box, it should be correct 1 23 03 see pics:this is one with patent locking, i have this without aswell in used condition without box, it was probarbly produced many years, not sure it is around today, maybe

[enki_ck]

Thanks!

[ICanFixThat]

Thanks! nice pics.  I'll try to get this info into the Wiki as soon as I can.

FYI: mine has the packlock driver so it's a later version.

[North Man]

no problem, just love to talk knives, ah yes good observation! mine do not have it

[ColoSwiss]

Ok great thanks!

I should have mentioned no keyring; does that make it 1.25.12?

The name translates to Colonel which sounds likely, I remember Wenger having a model known as the Major at one time.

Have a download from a European catalog that gives the numbers as 1 25 13 or 1 25 12. The photo is of the version with the keychain so assume 1 25 12 is correct. Ignore my request in the other thread for a photo; hadn't seen this. Nice find!

[ColoSwiss]

here is the Major 1 23 03 luckily i had this mentioned in a catalogue as Major, i got one in original box, it should be correct 1 23 03 see pics:this is one with patent locking, i have this without aswell in used condition without box, it was probarbly produced many years, not sure it is around today, maybe

Thanks for the information. I had data on the version with the small clip blade ( #1 23 13 ), but not that.

[basilio]

Thanks North Man for all your answers!
When I first posted my request in the link above I had not yet found the European 1995 catalog.
Please note that now all the models discussed in this topic can be found on pages 4, 5 and 6 of the catalog
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-browse_image.php?galleryId=97&sort_mode=imageId_asc&imageId=2372&scalesize=o

[North Man]

 

[J Mackrel Jones]

hi
i found talk on this in patents in 1982, it seems Wenger did go on with no locking a few years beside the locking that i would date to 1984

The information I've been able to find is that Wenger patented the locking blade ("Packlock") in 1982; the self-locking screwdriver in 1986 (putting it on knives tho beginning 1984).

[North Man]

hi

i am not 100% if they changed anything on the packlock during 1979-1982, however it is in patent applications around 1979 and already mentioned in magazine adds in 1979 as the worlds first Swiss army Knife with lock, there may be other locks made on other products but it Wenger that first did this i believe on a SAK,.Already in 1980 Precise mentions 6 models available with this locking, see this magazine from 1979
http://books.google.no/books?id=buADAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA2&dq=wenger+precise+packlock&hl=no&sa=X&ei=IA0aUbf_F8ik4ASK5oC4BQ&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=wenger%20precise%20packlock&f=false

[enki_ck]

Great info there. Bookmarked.

[ICanFixThat]

here is the Major 1 23 03 luckily i had this mentioned in a catalogue as Major, i got one in original box, it should be correct 1 23 03 see pics:this is one with patent locking, i have this without aswell in used condition without box, it was probarbly produced many years, not sure it is around today, maybe
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Hi North Man, any chance you can check that catalog again?  I think the Major should have the small blade rather than the nail-file.

[basilio]

I think that the model with the nail file (above) should be catalog n. 1 23 03, the one with the same tools but small blade 1 23 13
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-browse_image.php?galleryId=97&sort_mode=imageId_asc&imageId=2373&scalesize=0

[ICanFixThat]

I think that the model with the nail file (above) should be catalog n. 1 23 03, the one with the same tools but small blade 1 23 13
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-browse_image.php?galleryId=97&sort_mode=imageId_asc&imageId=2373&scalesize=0

Ya, but that catalog does not have the name.  Just trying to figure out if we have a name to go with the number.

[basilio]

Ya, but that catalog does not have the name.  Just trying to figure out if we have a name to go with the number.

Sorry then.
I have a small Wenger brochure (in italian) and the model 1 23 03 is called "standard", a name used as well for other knives.

[North Man]

here is the Major 1 23 03 luckily i had this mentioned in a catalogue as Major, i got one in original box, it should be correct 1 23 03 see pics:this is one with patent locking, i have this without aswell in used condition without box, it was probarbly produced many years, not sure it is around today, maybe
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Hi North Man, any chance you can check that catalog again?  I think the Major should have the small blade rather than the nail-file.

hi
i took a picture of it, it got nailfile

ps the counting on functions may vary, this one can see around the world.  I have never seen this small catalogue wrong with pictures and numbers(model), i have checked on original boxes and so on.
This sad, Wenger have made variations over the years on almost everything, so i guess we will have enough to do

[ColoSwiss]

North Man,

That's an interesting looking catalog. Any chance of having a copy posted on SAKwiki?

[North Man]

yes, it is a collection of different knives and other brands in this catalogue. Probarbly put together by earlier catalogues, give me some minutes and i will picture it

[North Man]

From a selection of information and models sold in Norway (1980s) Models got perhaps traslated names from the original.
I have checked with original Wenger boxes(numbers) from other places, labeled by Wenger.
For SAKWIKI: (atleast interesting to see)