Fake Swiss Army knife report list

[RedRamage]

Actually he lists Victorinox under Brand 

I know... he also states that Vic. is stamped into the blade in the auction too, which it isn't.  I just liked the mental image of some dofuss actually doing "air quotes" in his brain as he was typing up the auction.

[J Mackrel Jones]

Seller has withdrawn the item.

[RedRamage]

I'm almost tempted to buy this just to see what crap I get and file a complaint... but I'm afraid it's just going to cost me time:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/91mm-Useful-31-Functions-Multitool-Camping-Folding-Army-Knives-/281275485564?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item417d534d7c

Look!!  It's a SwissChamp, I mean, a "Useful 31 Functions Multitool Camping" knife!

[Corwyn]

I'm almost tempted to buy this just to see what crap I get and file a complaint... but I'm afraid it's just going to cost me time:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/91mm-Useful-31-Functions-Multitool-Camping-Folding-Army-Knives-/281275485564?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item417d534d7c

Look!!  It's a SwissChamp, I mean, a "Useful 31 Functions Multitool Camping" knife!

To be honest I really don't mind these as long as they don't put the cross, the tang or mention Victorinox or Swiss anywhere else.
I don't find these any better or worse than the zillion Sollingen sakalikes that have been flooding the market for decades. They don't even say it's a quality product.. they say it's "useful"

[RedRamage]

To be honest I really don't mind these as long as they don't put the cross, the tang or mention Victorinox or Swiss anywhere else.
I don't find these any better or worse than the zillion Sollingen sakalikes that have been flooding the market for decades. They don't even say it's a quality product.. they say it's "useful"

I suppose you're right in that they don't say too much about it... and I'm sure that when the customer receives the final product they'll realize it's radically different from the image.  But it still feels a little... dirty... to me to use an obvious Victorinox image to promote their less than product.

Feels like taking a picture of a BMW and shopping out the logos, attaching it to your auction for a Yugo and putting in the description that its' a 'useful car' with 4 wheels and 4 doors.

[Corwyn]

Here's a new one: Fake Vic belt.
http://www.tocmai.ro/curea-pantaloni-swiss-victorinox-military-style-div-culori-16724283.html

Why do I think it's http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2012-New-arrival-men-s-5-11-series-canvas-belt-original-design-outdoor-casual-canvas-belt/554306584.html with a new logo?

I know Vic doesn't do their clothing in the Ibach factory, but I'm reasonably sure it's not in Zhejian either...

[daverobson]

I'm almost tempted to buy this just to see what crap I get and file a complaint... but I'm afraid it's just going to cost me time:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/91mm-Useful-31-Functions-Multitool-Camping-Folding-Army-Knives-/281275485564?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item417d534d7c

Look!!  It's a SwissChamp, I mean, a "Useful 31 Functions Multitool Camping" knife!

Here's another one from China actually listed as Victorinox
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Free-shipping-KNI003-stainless-steel-red_1825369294.html

[Reinier]

Fake RescueTool:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/111372622125

[daverobson]

Fake RescueTool:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/111372622125

Here's the Rescue Tool being sold from China.
The seller has probably photoshopped the logo from the scales but the victorinox name is still visible on the blade.
The same seller is also advertising "Red Swiss champ" for $7.99

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2014-111mm-Multifunctional-Swiss-Camping-Fluorescence-Army-Folding-Knife-Rescue-Tools-Outdoor-Survival-Switzerland-Saber-Knives/1589713497.html?tracelog=back_to_detail_a

This one even mentions Victorinox & shows the tool with the logo.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/NEW-Rescue-Tool-folding-knifeGift-Box-outdoor-essential-fluorescence-military-pocket-knives-with-Knife-Oil-free/1469343325.html

[GigaHz]

My fake had the logo.

[daverobson]

It was after seeing an advert like this one that I decided to contact Victorinox.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Mini-Classic-Work-Rescue-champions-versatile-multi-tool-knife-outdoors/1571651851.html

Here's the reply I received.



Thank you very much for your e-mail and for your interest in our pocket knives.

Victorinox is a traditional Swiss company, founded in 1884. We market and manufacture high-quality products consistent with the positioning of our brand. Unfortunately, we are facing an increasing market of fakes and imitations. Imitations primarily from the Far East cause us great difficulties.

We are pleased that you got in contact with Victorinox. I will forward your email to our legal department for further investigations. Whenever possible, we try to proceed with legal actions against traders and producers, which offend brand or patent rights.

Kind regards,

Victorinox AG

Franziska Zuber
Sachbearbeiterin Customer Service

Email: service@victorinox.ch



                                                                                                                                          The trouble is, there are literally hundreds of manufacturers in the far east churning these things out, I think the Victorinox legal department are going to have their hands full trying to stop them

[dmanuel]

Dunno if this one has been brought up yet, but either this guy is hoping the price will fool people or he really doesn't know ... or I don't

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-8-BLADE-ARMY-SWISS-ROSTFREI-SOLINGEN-POCKET-KNIFE-/181432882548?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item2a3e3e1574

[Huntsman]

Hmmm
Not a Vic - as in the listing
But still looks pretty old and authentic.

I wonder where the seller got 'Solingen' from - A Tang stamp?
I think the original knives for the Swiss Army (pre Vic) were made by a German knife manufacturer in Solingen??

H

[bmot]

Hmmm
Not a Vic - as in the listing
But still looks pretty old and authentic.

I wonder where the seller got 'Solingen' from - A Tang stamp?

He probably "derived" it from the 'rostfrei' stamp...
*goes back to the ebay page*


Oh,  no, after some close inspection, it does seem to be possible that it says "Solingen" on the tang of the knife, on the "backside", there's only one bad pic of it.

I think the original knives for the Swiss Army (pre Vic) were made by a German knife manufacturer in Solingen??

H

Multiple ones, even, iirc... At least until Swiss companies got enough capacity to make them themselves (not sure if it was Solingen, exactly, but it does make sense)

[SAK Guy]

An ERN?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ERN-Solingen-Germany-Noxin-Rostfrei-6-Blade-Stainless-Pocket-Knife-/321420421701?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item4ad6266a45

Complete with "R" stamps.

[bmot]

An ERN?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/E...s&hash=item4ad6266a45

Complete with "R" stamps.

How is this fake, though? It no where claims to be Swiss, and ERN might just be an existing company in Solingen making SAK-style knives...

[daverobson]

ERN was registered in Solingen in 1874
http://www.iknifecollector.com/group/solingen/forum/topics/friedrich-ern-ern-rasiermesserfabrik

[dmanuel]

Hmmm
Not a Vic - as in the listing
But still looks pretty old and authentic.

I wonder where the seller got 'Solingen' from - A Tang stamp?

He probably "derived" it from the 'rostfrei' stamp...
*goes back to the ebay page*


Oh,  no, after some close inspection, it does seem to be possible that it says "Solingen" on the tang of the knife, on the "backside", there's only one bad pic of it.

I don't see Solingen on it but I do see multiple markings of Noxin and R stamps. Looks like it isn't a Victoria like he is inferring but is still a quality knife from Solingen.

[ColoSwiss]

More Chinese crap.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Army-Knife-/161333110396?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item259033e67c

[ColoSwiss]

Hmmm
Not a Vic - as in the listing
But still looks pretty old and authentic.

I wonder where the seller got 'Solingen' from - A Tang stamp?

He probably "derived" it from the 'rostfrei' stamp...
*goes back to the ebay page*


Oh,  no, after some close inspection, it does seem to be possible that it says "Solingen" on the tang of the knife, on the "backside", there's only one bad pic of it.

I don't see Solingen on it but I do see multiple markings of Noxin and R stamps. Looks like it isn't a Victoria like he is inferring but is still a quality knife from Solingen.

I don't see what the problem is. C. Fredrich Ern was active in Solingen from 1873 to 1986. His name, sword & crown trademark, and Solingen are marked on the knife; and are accurately listed by the dealer in his write-up.

[dmanuel]

Hmmm
Not a Vic - as in the listing
But still looks pretty old and authentic.

I wonder where the seller got 'Solingen' from - A Tang stamp?

He probably "derived" it from the 'rostfrei' stamp...
*goes back to the ebay page*


Oh,  no, after some close inspection, it does seem to be possible that it says "Solingen" on the tang of the knife, on the "backside", there's only one bad pic of it.

I don't see Solingen on it but I do see multiple markings of Noxin and R stamps. Looks like it isn't a Victoria like he is inferring but is still a quality knife from Solingen.

I don't see what the problem is. C. Fredrich Ern was active in Solingen from 1873 to 1986. His name, sword & crown trademark, and Solingen are marked on the knife; and are accurately listed by the dealer in his write-up.

Straight from the listing, if this doesn't infer that it is a Victorinox then I am not sure would.

The marking:

Elinox

is stamped on knives made between

1957 - 1974

In 1908 the company founder, Karl Elsener, began to use the Christian name of his mother «Victoria» as its trademark. In 1921 the first stainless steel knives were produced in Ibach. The international designation for stainless steel «INOX» was added to «Victoria», and the present-day brand and company name «VICTORINOX» was created by the combination of these two words.

From 1957 to 1974 the pocket tools with handles made of aluminium were produced under the brand name «ELINOX». This brand name was created by combining «Elsener» with the designation «INOX». Since 1975 they are marked with «VICTORINOX» on the blade as well.

Knives have been produced with a bail until 1968

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-8-BLADE-ARMY-SWISS-ROSTFREI-SOLINGEN-POCKET-KNIFE-/181432882548?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item2a3e3e1574

[ColoSwiss]

Hmmm
Not a Vic - as in the listing
But still looks pretty old and authentic.

I wonder where the seller got 'Solingen' from - A Tang stamp?

He probably "derived" it from the 'rostfrei' stamp...
*goes back to the ebay page*


Oh,  no, after some close inspection, it does seem to be possible that it says "Solingen" on the tang of the knife, on the "backside", there's only one bad pic of it.

I don't see Solingen on it but I do see multiple markings of Noxin and R stamps. Looks like it isn't a Victoria like he is inferring but is still a quality knife from Solingen.

I don't see what the problem is. C. Fredrich Ern was active in Solingen from 1873 to 1986. His name, sword & crown trademark, and Solingen are marked on the knife; and are accurately listed by the dealer in his write-up.

Straight from the listing, if this doesn't infer that it is a Victorinox then I am not sure would.

The marking:

Elinox

is stamped on knives made between

1957 - 1974

In 1908 the company founder, Karl Elsener, began to use the Christian name of his mother «Victoria» as its trademark. In 1921 the first stainless steel knives were produced in Ibach. The international designation for stainless steel «INOX» was added to «Victoria», and the present-day brand and company name «VICTORINOX» was created by the combination of these two words.

From 1957 to 1974 the pocket tools with handles made of aluminium were produced under the brand name «ELINOX». This brand name was created by combining «Elsener» with the designation «INOX». Since 1975 they are marked with «VICTORINOX» on the blade as well.

Knives have been produced with a bail until 1968

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-8-BLADE-ARMY-SWISS-ROSTFREI-SOLINGEN-POCKET-KNIFE-/181432882548?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item2a3e3e1574

Hi dmanuel,

We seem to be talking about two different knives. This ERN doesn't say anything about Victorinox.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ERN-Solingen-Germany-Noxin-Rostfrei-6-Blade-Stainless-Pocket-Knife-/321420421701?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item4ad6266a45

Agree that the one shown on your listing is a knock-off. Don't know if the seller is full of it, or just doesn't know what she has.

[Huntsman]

Yep - Bit of confusion!! - Yes two knives are being discussed!! :
http://www.ebay.com/itm/V...s&hash=item2a3e3e1574
http://www.ebay.com/itm/E...s&hash=item4ad6266a45

It looks like they are both from Solingen in Germany
Both genuine European/German pocket knives I'd say. But not Swiss (ie Vic or Wenger)

It's just that the seller of the first one is claiming it is a Vic!! So this is misrepresentation.

[dmanuel]

Hmmm
Not a Vic - as in the listing
But still looks pretty old and authentic.

I wonder where the seller got 'Solingen' from - A Tang stamp?

He probably "derived" it from the 'rostfrei' stamp...
*goes back to the ebay page*


Oh,  no, after some close inspection, it does seem to be possible that it says "Solingen" on the tang of the knife, on the "backside", there's only one bad pic of it.

I don't see Solingen on it but I do see multiple markings of Noxin and R stamps. Looks like it isn't a Victoria like he is inferring but is still a quality knife from Solingen.

I don't see what the problem is. C. Fredrich Ern was active in Solingen from 1873 to 1986. His name, sword & crown trademark, and Solingen are marked on the knife; and are accurately listed by the dealer in his write-up.

Straight from the listing, if this doesn't infer that it is a Victorinox then I am not sure would.

The marking:

Elinox

is stamped on knives made between

1957 - 1974

In 1908 the company founder, Karl Elsener, began to use the Christian name of his mother «Victoria» as its trademark. In 1921 the first stainless steel knives were produced in Ibach. The international designation for stainless steel «INOX» was added to «Victoria», and the present-day brand and company name «VICTORINOX» was created by the combination of these two words.

From 1957 to 1974 the pocket tools with handles made of aluminium were produced under the brand name «ELINOX». This brand name was created by combining «Elsener» with the designation «INOX». Since 1975 they are marked with «VICTORINOX» on the blade as well.

Knives have been produced with a bail until 1968

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-8-BLADE-ARMY-SWISS-ROSTFREI-SOLINGEN-POCKET-KNIFE-/181432882548?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item2a3e3e1574

Hi dmanuel,

We seem to be talking about two different knives. This ERN doesn't say anything about Victorinox.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ERN-Solingen-Germany-Noxin-Rostfrei-6-Blade-Stainless-Pocket-Knife-/321420421701?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item4ad6266a45

Agree that the one shown on your listing is a knock-off. Don't know if the seller is full of it, or just doesn't know what she has.

Gotcha! Sure am glad that is the case because the alternative would be one of us being a bit loopy lol 

Not saying that I am not, mind you 

[ColoSwiss]

Hmmm
Not a Vic - as in the listing
But still looks pretty old and authentic.

I wonder where the seller got 'Solingen' from - A Tang stamp?

He probably "derived" it from the 'rostfrei' stamp...
*goes back to the ebay page*


Oh,  no, after some close inspection, it does seem to be possible that it says "Solingen" on the tang of the knife, on the "backside", there's only one bad pic of it.

I don't see Solingen on it but I do see multiple markings of Noxin and R stamps. Looks like it isn't a Victoria like he is inferring but is still a quality knife from Solingen.

I don't see what the problem is. C. Fredrich Ern was active in Solingen from 1873 to 1986. His name, sword & crown trademark, and Solingen are marked on the knife; and are accurately listed by the dealer in his write-up.

Straight from the listing, if this doesn't infer that it is a Victorinox then I am not sure would.

The marking:

Elinox

is stamped on knives made between

1957 - 1974

In 1908 the company founder, Karl Elsener, began to use the Christian name of his mother «Victoria» as its trademark. In 1921 the first stainless steel knives were produced in Ibach. The international designation for stainless steel «INOX» was added to «Victoria», and the present-day brand and company name «VICTORINOX» was created by the combination of these two words.

From 1957 to 1974 the pocket tools with handles made of aluminium were produced under the brand name «ELINOX». This brand name was created by combining «Elsener» with the designation «INOX». Since 1975 they are marked with «VICTORINOX» on the blade as well.

Knives have been produced with a bail until 1968

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-8-BLADE-ARMY-SWISS-ROSTFREI-SOLINGEN-POCKET-KNIFE-/181432882548?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item2a3e3e1574

Hi dmanuel,

We seem to be talking about two different knives. This ERN doesn't say anything about Victorinox.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ERN-Solingen-Germany-Noxin-Rostfrei-6-Blade-Stainless-Pocket-Knife-/321420421701?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item4ad6266a45

Agree that the one shown on your listing is a knock-off. Don't know if the seller is full of it, or just doesn't know what she has.

Gotcha! Sure am glad that is the case because the alternative would be one of us being a bit loopy lol 

Not saying that I am not, mind you 

Sanity tends to be a scarce commodity around here. 

[GigaHz]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Swiss-Champ-Knife-53501-/221469271131?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item339098e45b

[SAK Guy]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Two-Blade-Folding-Pocket-Knife-/221491736525?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item3391efafcd

[Reinier]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Swiss-Champ-Knife-53501-/221469271131?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item339098e45b

I cannot believe that one was actually sold...

[enki_ck]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Swiss-Champ-Knife-53501-/221469271131?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item339098e45b

I cannot believe that one was actually sold...

[Corwyn]

Is this a new one? I know the Old Rescue Tool Knockoff, but it isn't this:
http://olx.ro/oferta/briceag-cu-maner-fosforescent-ID27Nbt.html#b5aa7a73d8

Old thumbhole, no Vic markings, Rescue Knife scales, Locksmith tool combination... and a hilariously-placed windshield-breaker. It costs about 9 Euros.

Reckon there is any chance the scales might ft on a Vic?