New Böker locking mechanism/new German knife law?

[enki_ck]

I was just watching this video from the SHOT Show and it seems Böker is coming out with a new locking mechanism. A slip joint with optional lock. And there's some sort of compression lock involved too that locks the blade in place if you apply pressure to the handle (which you would do anyways while holding the knife )

Regretfully we never get a decent view of the knife itself or look at the lock.

Anyone have more info on this?


Also (German guys) when did the German law change? They say now that you can have optional locks on knives. Anyone have the article number or link on it?

[Etherealicer]

 

Really we need more pictures!

[Gareth]

Don't know about German law, but I will say that there is no way that would be 'reason free' UK EDC.

[WWW]

  I have a E.T, knockoff, I always thought the mechanism was brilliant!!

  I just hope Böker makes it with something like 14C27 or even 440C.

  And just in case you're not familiar with the External Toggle:

[jekostas]

  I have a E.T, knockoff, I always thought the mechanism was brilliant!!

  I just hope Böker makes it with something like 14C27 or even 440C.

  And just in case you're not familiar with the External Toggle:

Also had the minor issue of slicing up your hands pretty badly if you weren't careful closing the knife.

[WWW]

Also had the minor issue of slicing up your hands pretty badly if you weren't careful closing the knife.

  That was the thrill of the knife, to get or not to get cut!! Must say I never had such a problem. Do you own a chinese knockoff or the real deal?

[jekostas]

I had the real deal for a while.  Cut myself 2 or 3 times and figured the funky closing mechanism and my arthritic fingers was probably a bad combination.

Did make a pretty good profit when I sold it, though.

[comis]

Nikola,

I just travelled to Germany recently, and if I remember correctly, it is either:

If the blade can be opened by one-hand, it cannot lock; or
If the blade cannot be opened by one-hand, it can be locked.

If someone knows better, do hop in. 

[enki_ck]

Yes, that's the old law I know too. Waffengesetz Article 42a.

http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/waffg_2002/__42a.html

They said that changed or will change in the video though. I'll search a bit for more info.

[chris.customworks]

Also (German guys) when did the German law change? They say now that you can have optional locks on knives. Anyone have the article number or link on it?

No, we still have the "old" law (from 1st april 2008), especially the (poxy, illogical, hypocritical) § 42a WaffG, which criminalizes carrying most one-hand-opening-knives 

So, the video is quite interesting and I am very eager to see the knife, these guys are talking about 

[comis]

Do you guys think that it is a grey area attempt?  Something similar to 'assisted knife' vs 'auto knife'?  "Technically" the one hand open knife do not lock upon opening, and it locks after you 'grip' onto the knife. 

[enki_ck]

Do you guys think that it is a grey area attempt?  Something similar to 'assisted knife' vs 'auto knife'?  "Technically" the one hand open knife do not lock upon opening, and it locks after you 'grip' onto the knife. 

Somewhat, yes.

But as Chris said the German law on knives is a head scratcher / illogical already as is. For instance you can carry a fixed blade knives with a blade length up to 12cm but not a OHO locking folder.

[enki_ck]

Some better view, first kife in the video

[Essexman]

So it's a lock knife, if you want it to be. I don't get the design idea.

[Gareth]

In legal terms I don't think anyone could claim it's anything other than a lock knife (IMO), but I can see the attraction of a locking knife that doesn't require any action to disengage a lock.  So in use the blade is locked, but to put the blade away there is nothing to do other than fold the knife away.

Unless you've engaged the additional 'safety lock' of course.

[Smashie]

It's a dodge to get around laws that don't permit locking blades. Person with the knife gets stopped by the police, holding the knife gently closes the knife whilst holding it with their finger tips only. Police say "Ok sir, move along".

Want to use it in anger? Grip it hard and get stabby.

[Gareth]

It's a dodge to get around laws that don't permit locking blades. Person with the knife gets stopped by the police, holding the knife gently closes the knife whilst holding it with their finger tips only. Police say "Ok sir, move along".

Want to use it in anger? Grip it hard and get stabby.

That might well be the idea, but I don't believe for a second it would work.

[enki_ck]

It's a dodge to get around laws that don't permit locking blades. Person with the knife gets stopped by the police, holding the knife gently closes the knife whilst holding it with their finger tips only. Police say "Ok sir, move along".

Want to use it in anger? Grip it hard and get stabby.

That might well be the idea, but I don't believe for a second it would work.

As I said, these were ordered for the German market who have a slightly different laws on the subject. They can even carry fixed blades.

[dks]

Its no different than a butterfly knife then. Locked when you hold it but can be folded easily when you are not.

taaaaaaapaaaaaaas

[chris.customworks]

While the German Böker website keeps calm & quiet the knife is already online on Böker USA => http://www.boker.de/us/pocket-knife/boker-plus/tactical-knife/01BO042.html

[Etherealicer]

While the German Böker website keeps calm & quiet the knife is already online on Böker USA => http://www.boker.de/us/pocket-knife/boker-plus/tactical-knife/01BO042.html

Pretty
and fairly light

even prettier in reversed colors

[lowtech]

As I said, these were ordered for the German market who have a slightly different laws on the subject. They can even carry fixed blades.

While we may carry fixed blades up to 12 cm, we are not allowed to carry a OHO locking knife, no matter how long or short the blade. A knife may be locking or one hand opening, but not both. Assisted (be it gravity or spring) opening knives are banned with few exceptions.
And I doubt this would be seen as a non-locking knife.
And no, I don´t understand teh rules either.

[enki_ck]

As I said, these were ordered for the German market who have a slightly different laws on the subject. They can even carry fixed blades.

While we may carry fixed blades up to 12 cm, we are not allowed to carry a OHO locking knife, no matter how long or short the blade. A knife may be locking or one hand opening, but not both. Assisted (be it gravity or spring) opening knives are banned with few exceptions.
And I doubt this would be seen as a non-locking knife.
And no, I don´t understand teh rules either.

In the first video they say Böker contracted them to make them such a knife that would fit the new DE knife regulations that are coming.

I tried searching for any reference to a new upcoming Waffengesetz in German but can't find any.

[lowtech]

Maybe the locking mechanism is obeying the law by the letter, but I would doubt any LE would let you win that discussion...

I´ll look around if I can find anything about a change in the law, but AFAIK it´s still the old "new" law.

[matzesu]

Sorry for gravedigging this threadt
99 € on the Boker Internetside is a lot for a Folder, but its a interesting conzept whit this 2 Hand Lock one hand open..
I think most task you need just too fast open your knife whit one hand (cut something whyle you standing on a ladder) wouldnt need the locking whit the second hand, and if there are proper Task, there should be time to lock the blade..
So its great for workers who need a Onehand Folder in Germany..
If i ditnt had a Swisschamp XLT, and would need a Locking Blade more often, i think i would get me this Knife, but for a second knife its just too expensive..
Mybe for Birstday or Chrissmass..

[cbl51]

It seems too much a gimmick. Why not just carry a knife that either has a good lock, or carry a slip joint to comply with the law? As a rule, I've found gimmicks to have fatal flows that reveal themselves at a bad time. But then, I admit I am a sceptic of new things.

The other flaw I see with this knifes, the cops and DA's are not stupid. If something is marketed as a 'get around the law' deal, it's usually a short time until they catch on, and then catch up with it. Just like all those jaw jackers, plastic knives that are supposed to sneak through TSA security, and stuff like that. My son is a police officer, and they do get all the bulletins on this stuff and know what they look like.

[matzesu]

Its not because the law, the law is also a reason, but also because the open mechanism, and i ditnt have a dedicatet onehandfolder..

If i only would need a knife, i would use my SAK, but somethimes i need something which opens one handet..

At least i can say everytime, that im a beeceeper and i need it to cut some wood, whyle i stand on a ladder whyle i hunt a swarm
And this is just the truth..

Know german polizeman, they also like these knifes .

[Etherealicer]

It seems too much a gimmick. Why not just carry a knife that either has a good lock, or carry a slip joint to comply with the law? As a rule, I've found gimmicks to have fatal flows that reveal themselves at a bad time. But then, I admit I am a sceptic of new things.

Like all MT's this is about utility and its always a compromise. You get both OHO and locking but because this combination is illegal you need to separate the two, in the hope to have a legal product. Personally, I doubt, especially with the Grip-Lock, I could see having OHO + Two-handed-lock as passing the question for legality but I'm not a lawyer.

Also laws are too trivial (and sometimes too complicated) to cover everything. This is why judges decisions become laws. I mean how strong can the backspring on a slipjoint be until it should be considered a lock?

[matzesu]

Just got the Knife yesterday, and it a nice thing, the flipper works great, its feals great in hand, and its fun..
Its meant to be my second EDC Knife for task i dotnt want my XLT to be dirty, .. or i need a one hand open blade..
the only thing i dotnt like is, that the second log mechanism (the wheel on the back) somethimes get stuck whyle you try to dislog the blade, so you have to push the griplog a bit, and then in works..



Somethimes its a bit divicult to close the blade whit one finger, but this is just a case of training..

[enki_ck]

I'm sure I'm not the only one who'd like more pics. Of the locking mechanism too.

Congrats on the new blade.