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Thinking about a better folder

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Thinking about a better folder
on: March 15, 2014, 04:39:59 PM
Heretofore I have carried an inexpensive folder but lately have moved over to an SAK (generally a climber) on a pocket dangler. I also have a Sportsman and really like having a nail file so I am working on a mod and will (of course) post that when finished with pics.

Anyway, I do not have a bunch to spend, maybe $40, so I have been searching for possibles. I did want to submit to the "Communal Brain" the following criteria and see what bubbles up!

Blade = 3 (+/-) inch plain (non serrated) THICK + BLACK/GREY
Lock = not a back lock
Ambidextrous (speed/flik not required)
Max closed length of 4 1/2 inches
Light weight
Thin handle

Plus will be movable clip

The ones that seem to be closest are;

ESEE ZANCUDO
ONTARIO RAT 2
Kershaw Cryo

I also like the looks of the Boker Magnum Baron but cannot seem to find the handle or blade thickness anywhere. Looks more like a "Gentleman's Knife" with wood scales and is priced lower. Anyone own one?


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Re: Thinking about a better folder
Reply #1 on: March 15, 2014, 04:53:39 PM
I'd go with the Ontario RAT II. Thinking about getting one of those myself.

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Re: Thinking about a better folder
Reply #2 on: March 16, 2014, 02:11:36 AM
I'll +1 the Rat II. For the money it is hard to beat.


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Re: Thinking about a better folder
Reply #3 on: March 16, 2014, 04:58:50 AM
I don't think you could go seriously wrong with anything that's been mentioned, but just for the sake of expanding the field, how about a Spyderco Tenacious?


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Re: Thinking about a better folder
Reply #4 on: March 16, 2014, 05:10:30 AM
I don't think you could go seriously wrong with anything that's been mentioned, but just for the sake of expanding the field, how about a Spyderco Tenacious?

That was going to be my suggestion. GREAT knife for the price. It is a little bit "wide" but nothing that isn't manageable.
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Re: Thinking about a better folder
Reply #5 on: March 16, 2014, 11:38:31 AM
I enjoy my CRKT M16 Zytel. Easy to carry in the pocket but stout enough for daily use too


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Re: Thinking about a better folder
Reply #6 on: March 16, 2014, 12:31:55 PM
Have you had a look at Byrd knives?  Good bang for your buck and should have something that would suit your needs.

Edit:- Byrd Raven would fit the bill I'd say.  While I've not owned that specific model all the other Byrd knives I've owned/seen have been very good.
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Re: Thinking about a better folder
Reply #7 on: March 16, 2014, 12:41:38 PM
Why not the Rat 1?


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Re: Thinking about a better folder
Reply #8 on: March 16, 2014, 06:23:24 PM
You could darn near get both the Cryo and the Rat for just a bit over your budget.  I have the Cryo and while a heavy smaller knife I really like how it carries and love the design. 
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Re: Thinking about a better folder
Reply #9 on: March 16, 2014, 06:45:29 PM
The Cryo is a sweet knife. Wish i still had mine. Maybe ill get another someday. It is small but feels heavy and well built. Also i like how it carried when clipped in a pocket.
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Re: Thinking about a better folder
Reply #10 on: March 16, 2014, 07:00:41 PM
The Cryo is a sweet knife. Wish i still had mine. Maybe ill get another someday. It is small but feels heavy and well built. Also i like how it carried when clipped in a pocket.

I agree and for a Rick Hinderer designed knife for under $30 I feel its quite a lot of knife.  The coating ( titanium nitride ) is very pleasing to my eye and I really like the blade shape and the speedsafe is wicked.  I like the weight and while admittedly mine hasnt seen any real work for what I've needed done it sure did deliver.  JerseyDevil's pictures got me interested and I am more than pleased with mine. 
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Re: Thinking about a better folder
Reply #11 on: March 16, 2014, 07:33:05 PM
The Cryo is an excellent knife for the money.  I'm a Kershaw fan for sure, but they outdid themselves with it. Very solid, decent blade, and probably the best clip Kershaw's ever done. :tu:

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Re: Thinking about a better folder
Reply #12 on: March 16, 2014, 07:42:01 PM
What steel do they use in the Cryo? I can't remember.
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Re: Thinking about a better folder
Reply #13 on: March 16, 2014, 10:32:46 PM
Thanks folks! I will check out these suggestions. I have an ongoing spreadsheet with all the data so it will likely come down to which feature I feel is most important.

All very  :drool: worthy and this will make my decision harder not easier but that's what we come here for, right? An having too many choices increases the odds that I will just get two!
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Re: Thinking about a better folder
Reply #14 on: March 16, 2014, 11:31:33 PM
What steel do they use in the Cryo? I can't remember.

8Cr13MoV.  A Chinese steel that takes a good edge and is easy to sharpen.  Byrd knives use it a lot, as do Enlan, SRM, etc.
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Re: Thinking about a better folder
Reply #15 on: March 17, 2014, 12:45:02 AM
What steel do they use in the Cryo? I can't remember.

8Cr13MoV.  A Chinese steel that takes a good edge and is easy to sharpen.  Byrd knives use it a lot, as do Enlan, SRM, etc.

Thanks. I'm very familiar with 8cr13MoV.  :tu:
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Re: Thinking about a better folder
Reply #16 on: March 17, 2014, 02:00:45 AM
"8cr13MoV"

Looks more like a decent password to me!   :o


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Re: Thinking about a better folder
Reply #17 on: March 17, 2014, 02:55:12 AM
"8cr13MoV"

Looks more like a decent password to me!   :o


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Re: Thinking about a better folder
Reply #18 on: March 17, 2014, 02:53:20 PM
I found this last night, seems very new and I cannot find the handle thickness. I'll email Kershaw.

http://kershaw.kaiusaltd.com/knives/knife/thistle     :drool:


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Re: Thinking about a better folder
Reply #19 on: March 17, 2014, 08:05:22 PM
The website says its coming soon so it might be a few months before it hits the market. Very cool looking knife and the locking mechanism is very intriguing.  :tu:
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Re: Thinking about a better folder
Reply #20 on: March 18, 2014, 08:28:45 AM
Very cool looking knife. I'm curious what steel they go with.


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Re: Thinking about a better folder
Reply #21 on: March 18, 2014, 11:55:51 PM
I emailed Kershaw and got a fast response. I did not ask about the steel type only the following questions.

Blade – 0.110”
Handle – 0.54”
Handle at Button – 0.57”

Seems a little on the thick side for my needs, but data is data!


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Re: Thinking about a better folder
Reply #22 on: March 19, 2014, 01:59:42 AM
That's a neat looking Kershaw, though as a lefty I can't see myself getting along at all with that lock.....  :think:
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Re: Thinking about a better folder
Reply #23 on: March 19, 2014, 03:31:58 PM
Boker Magnun Baron:

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Overall length: 16,5 cm
Blade length: 7,0 cm
Weight: 70 g
Blade thickness: 2,5 mm
Blade material: 440
Handle material: Holz
Lock: Liner Lock

and no I don't own one.
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Re: Thinking about a better folder
Reply #24 on: March 19, 2014, 08:27:01 PM
Well, I made the decision and picked . . . ???

Ontario Rat II (Black/Black)   :drool:

Should arrive by Monday.  :mail:

Thanks to all for the assistance!   :salute:


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Re: Thinking about a better folder
Reply #25 on: March 19, 2014, 08:40:03 PM
Excellent choice! I don't think you'll regret it. Let us know how it works out for you.  :tu:


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Re: Thinking about a better folder
Reply #26 on: March 19, 2014, 09:11:59 PM
Well, I made the decision and picked . . . ???

Ontario Rat II (Black/Black)   :drool:

Should arrive by Monday.  :mail:

Thanks to all for the assistance!   :salute:

Nice choice. Be sure to let us know how you get on with the new tool when it arrives :tu:.


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Re: Thinking about a better folder
Reply #27 on: March 20, 2014, 02:43:52 AM
I finally figured out that paying around $30 these days gets you a WAY better knife than $15-20 so then it boiled down between the Rat II and the Zancudo and what tipped the scales to the Rat was this.

Four choice clip location
Deeper carry
Non-reflective clip side
Ever so slightly more blade (POINT OH SIX INCHES   :o )
Ever so slightly more handle (POINT ONE TWO FIVE INCHES)


I actually like the look of the Zancudo slightly more, though I may be in the minority in that respect. The Zancudo handles are thinner (.31" vs .42") but the Rat weighs slightly less (2.75oz vs 3.1oz).

They did not make it easy but we all have to decide based on criteria which is most important to our carry situation and such.


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Re: Thinking about a better folder
Reply #28 on: March 20, 2014, 02:53:24 PM
Now that the decision is made there remains only one thing to be said:

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Re: Thinking about a better folder
Reply #29 on: March 20, 2014, 03:55:28 PM
^^^^
What he said.

Congrats on making a decision it looks like a great new knife for you. 
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