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Is it really $55 better?
on: November 13, 2014, 05:07:18 PM
So I really like the Cybertool 41. The bit driver with a number bits sized for stuff I use takes it over top of the SC for me.

Maybe I am looking in the wrong places but it seems the CT 41 is like $55 more then the Swisschamp. I am just not sure the bit driver and light are worth that much to me.

Also wondering why it is so much more. Supply and demand I guess.
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Re: Is it really $55 better?
Reply #1 on: November 13, 2014, 05:15:50 PM
First, just a heads up, CT41 don't have a light.
Yes they are pricey. Lucky I got mine when they first come out. Got mine for $60. Is it worth it, that depends on the person. I much as I love them, I would not buy one now for what they are running. Nothing against or wrong with them. Hell, I was pushing them back in the SOSAK days and again when I came here. It is just a lot of money for a SAK with a bitdriver.
As to why they cost so much, I have no idea why.
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Re: Is it really $55 better?
Reply #2 on: November 13, 2014, 05:19:14 PM
I think it's no longer being offered for the US market so that might be the reason for the higher US price. They are readily available in Europe and I can get a CT41 for about $89 and the Champ for $64 straight from the dealer. So just a $25 difference.
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Re: Is it really $55 better?
Reply #3 on: November 13, 2014, 05:32:58 PM
Quote from: HarleyXJGuy on November 13, 2014, 05:07:18 PM
So I really like the Cybertool 41. The bit driver with a number bits sized for stuff I use takes it over top of the SC for me.

Maybe I am looking in the wrong places but it seems the CT 41 is like $55 more then the Swisschamp. I am just not sure the bit driver and light are worth that much to me.

Also wondering why it is so much more. Supply and demand I guess.

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Re: Is it really $55 better?
Reply #4 on: November 13, 2014, 05:35:23 PM
YES!

NO :rant:

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Re: Is it really $55 better?
Reply #5 on: November 13, 2014, 05:40:11 PM
Quote from: coSAK on November 13, 2014, 05:32:58 PM
Quote from: HarleyXJGuy on November 13, 2014, 05:07:18 PM
So I really like the Cybertool 41. The bit driver with a number bits sized for stuff I use takes it over top of the SC for me.

Maybe I am looking in the wrong places but it seems the CT 41 is like $55 more then the Swisschamp. I am just not sure the bit driver and light are worth that much to me.

Also wondering why it is so much more. Supply and demand I guess.

Listen carefully: You want a XLT!  :D

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Oh no I meant to be talking about the CT Lite. I want the one with the light.

Just not feeling the $116 price tag.

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NO :rant:

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Re: Is it really $55 better?
Reply #6 on: November 13, 2014, 06:13:37 PM
a CT 41 is worth spending extra over the cost of a Swisschamp ... but no, the light is not worth paying for. I have a Voyager Lite, and I'll not be buying any more 91mm SAK with lights  ;)


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Re: Is it really $55 better?
Reply #7 on: November 13, 2014, 06:15:29 PM
Quote from: 50ft-trad on November 13, 2014, 06:13:37 PM
a CT 41 is worth spending extra over the cost of a Swisschamp ... but no, the light is not worth paying for. I have a Voyager Lite, and I'll not be buying any more 91mm SAK with lights  ;)

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Re: Is it really $55 better?
Reply #8 on: November 13, 2014, 06:17:22 PM
Quote from: 50ft-trad on November 13, 2014, 06:13:37 PM
a CT 41 is worth spending extra over the cost of a Swisschamp ... but no, the light is not worth paying for. I have a Voyager Lite, and I'll not be buying any more 91mm SAK with lights  ;)

This is correct.  The SAK lights are just too weak and take a relatively spendy battery.  The CT41 is my EDC.  Just so handy.  US pricing is reflecting the scarcity of them in the US.  I bought mine for $45 years ago.  Same price as the SwissChamp at the time.

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Re: Is it really $55 better?
Reply #9 on: November 13, 2014, 06:29:01 PM
Yes, forgo the SAK lighted models. The light is anemic at best. The older ones were even worse with their dim red light.
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Re: Is it really $55 better?
Reply #10 on: November 13, 2014, 06:36:08 PM
Quote from: Chako on November 13, 2014, 06:29:01 PM
Yes, forgo the SAK lighted models. The light is anemic at best. The older ones were even worse with their dim red light.

Did Chako just tell someone NOT to buy a SAK?  :ahhh :ahhh

On a serious note I guess it is time to start saving for a XLT. Unless you have a extra CT 41 laying around somewhere Chako?

Seems I am stuck with the Fish Scaler and Corkscrew. :rant:
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Re: Is it really $55 better?
Reply #11 on: November 13, 2014, 06:40:07 PM
Quote from: HarleyXJGuy on November 13, 2014, 06:36:08 PM
Quote from: Chako on November 13, 2014, 06:29:01 PM
Yes, forgo the SAK lighted models. The light is anemic at best. The older ones were even worse with their dim red light.

Did Chako just tell someone NOT to buy a SAK?  :ahhh :ahhh

On a serious note I guess it is time to start saving for a XLT. Unless you have a extra CT 41 laying around somewhere Chako?

Seems I am stuck with the Fish Scaler and Corkscrew. :rant:

Hey Chako, do you by chance have two CT 41's laying around! LOL  I have a CT Lite I could trade ya! :)


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Re: Is it really $55 better?
Reply #12 on: November 13, 2014, 06:43:03 PM
Quote from: sir_mike on November 13, 2014, 06:40:07 PM
Quote from: HarleyXJGuy on November 13, 2014, 06:36:08 PM
Quote from: Chako on November 13, 2014, 06:29:01 PM
Yes, forgo the SAK lighted models. The light is anemic at best. The older ones were even worse with their dim red light.

Did Chako just tell someone NOT to buy a SAK?  :ahhh :ahhh

On a serious note I guess it is time to start saving for a XLT. Unless you have a extra CT 41 laying around somewhere Chako?

Seems I am stuck with the Fish Scaler and Corkscrew. :rant:

Hey Chako, do you by chance have two CT 41's laying around! LOL  I have a CT Lite I could trade ya! :)

 :rofl: :rofl:

So what is the second hand market for CT 41's like? Might have to keep an eye out.

I am just nervous to look on the For Sale part of MTO. Never good for my wallet.  :facepalm:
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Re: Is it really $55 better?
Reply #13 on: November 13, 2014, 06:45:08 PM
Quote from: enki_ck on November 13, 2014, 05:19:14 PM
I think it's no longer being offered for the US market so that might be the reason for the higher US price. They are readily available in Europe and I can get a CT41 for about $89 and the Champ for $64 straight from the dealer. So just a $25 difference.
Makes sence. Sucks though, it is one of the best SAKs made besides the Supertimer. Glad I get mine before they got super expensive and have the thick blades.
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Reply #14 on: November 13, 2014, 06:56:20 PM
The bits for the CT 41, are they proprietary or regular screwdriver bits?
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Re: Is it really $55 better?
Reply #15 on: November 13, 2014, 07:08:59 PM
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Yes, forgo the SAK lighted models. The light is anemic at best. The older ones were even worse with their dim red light.

Did Chako just tell someone NOT to buy a SAK?  :ahhh :ahhh

On a serious note I guess it is time to start saving for a XLT. Unless you have a extra CT 41 laying around somewhere Chako?

Seems I am stuck with the Fish Scaler and Corkscrew. :rant:

Hey Chako, do you by chance have two CT 41's laying around! LOL  I have a CT Lite I could trade ya! :)

 :rofl: :rofl:

So what is the second hand market for CT 41's like? Might have to keep an eye out.

I am just nervous to look on the For Sale part of MTO. Never good for my wallet.  :facepalm:

I look around every now and then but never see much.  Maybe there out there and my timing sucks but hard to find!

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Re: Is it really $55 better?
Reply #16 on: November 13, 2014, 07:16:44 PM
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The bits for the CT 41, are they proprietary or regular screwdriver bits?

Yes and no.  The Vic bits have a small retaining ball.  They are a standard 4mm microdrive bit, but most of the time, the microbits do not have the retention ball.

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Reply #17 on: November 13, 2014, 07:20:45 PM
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Quote from: HarleyXJGuy on November 13, 2014, 06:56:20 PM
The bits for the CT 41, are they proprietary or regular screwdriver bits?

Yes and no.  The Vic bits have a small retaining ball.  They are a standard 4mm microdrive bit, but most of the time, the microbits do not have the retention ball.

So microbits and the bits from regular screwdrivers like you use in a drill are different?

I have a little extension Joel made for my Wave that takes regular bits. Like the kind I have seen everywhere my whole life.
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Re: Is it really $55 better?
Reply #18 on: November 13, 2014, 07:25:56 PM
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Quote from: HarleyXJGuy on November 13, 2014, 06:56:20 PM
The bits for the CT 41, are they proprietary or regular screwdriver bits?

Yes and no.  The Vic bits have a small retaining ball.  They are a standard 4mm microdrive bit, but most of the time, the microbits do not have the retention ball.

So microbits and the bits from regular screwdrivers like you use in a drill are different?

I have a little extension Joel made for my Wave that takes regular bits. Like the kind I have seen everywhere my whole life.

Regular bits are 1/4 inch drive.  Microbits are 4mm.  Home Depot and Lowes carry microbit sets now, if you look at them, you'll see they're much thinner.

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Re: Is it really $55 better?
Reply #19 on: November 13, 2014, 07:39:19 PM
Just got my CT41 today. Love it. Trust me, you want one :D.

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Reply #20 on: November 13, 2014, 07:43:05 PM
Ok so what I am looking for is #1 and #0 phillips with 1/4 in drive then. Whia has some and I am betting Home Depot or Lowes might also. Will have to check when I get home since I wont need them until then anyhow.

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Just got my CT41 today. Love it. Trust me, you want one :D.

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Re: Is it really $55 better?
Reply #21 on: November 13, 2014, 07:48:37 PM
I don't have a CT41, but I have two CT34s. Both are second hand and between the two I have a full set of the Vic' bits for one.

For the other I bought a 4mm microbit screwdriver set that came with a dozen or so bits for about the price of a couple of genuine bits.

Sure, they don't come with the retaining ball to hold them into the driver, but I have some 3mm diameter rare earth magnets and put one of them in the bit holder and it works fine. Also glued one in each slot in the bit caddy and that keeps them in place too.
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Re: Is it really $55 better?
Reply #22 on: November 13, 2014, 08:28:02 PM
I have a CT29, a pair of CT34s, and the CT41. I do not have the lite version. I also have an XLT, XXLT, and XAVT. Sorry nothing for sale or trade here.
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Re: Is it really $55 better?
Reply #23 on: November 13, 2014, 08:32:55 PM
You for sure dont want the Vic light on a SAK at all.  Its awful dim, awfully designed, awfully constructed out of fragile plastic. :D

CT41 is worth paying for yes!  They are harder to come by now though.   I actually dont fine the CT driver great, but its good.  I only use the phillips so it feels a bit of a waste for me.  If you can get by with the standard phillips vs the CT driver, the swisschamp is a great deal.
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Re: Is it really $55 better?
Reply #24 on: November 13, 2014, 08:54:18 PM
Just buy one, you are Hooked anyways. Take a photo of your tools now, then take one 6 months from now, these enablers will have you all stocked up.


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Re: Is it really $55 better?
Reply #25 on: November 13, 2014, 09:16:25 PM
Quote from: HarleyXJGuy on November 13, 2014, 06:36:08 PM


Seems I am stuck with the Fish Scaler and Corkscrew. :rant:

Don't dis the Fish Scaler :twak: It's awesome for eating fries or olives!

But feel free to rag on the corkscrew >:D
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Re: Is it really $55 better?
Reply #26 on: November 13, 2014, 09:29:33 PM
I've had both a CT41 and Swiss Champ and find them too big.  Vic pliers and the CT layer aren't useful for anything I do - too small and fiddly.  The bit driver does have good reach but really ought to be 1/4" for a better selection of tools.  A Ranger + magnifier/phillips or perhaps an old Modeler would be enough for me.  Or my Wenger Toolchest. 8)
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Re: Is it really $55 better?
Reply #27 on: November 14, 2014, 02:57:27 AM
Quote from: kirk13 on November 13, 2014, 09:16:25 PM
Quote from: HarleyXJGuy on November 13, 2014, 06:36:08 PM


Seems I am stuck with the Fish Scaler and Corkscrew. :rant:

Don't dis the Fish Scaler :twak: It's awesome for eating fries or olives!

But feel free to rag on the corkscrew >:D

Eating fries? Lke a fork or something?  :think:
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Re: Is it really $55 better?
Reply #28 on: November 14, 2014, 03:03:51 AM
Quote from: HarleyXJGuy on November 14, 2014, 02:57:27 AM
Quote from: kirk13 on November 13, 2014, 09:16:25 PM
Quote from: HarleyXJGuy on November 13, 2014, 06:36:08 PM


Seems I am stuck with the Fish Scaler and Corkscrew. :rant:

Don't dis the Fish Scaler :twak: It's awesome for eating fries or olives!

But feel free to rag on the corkscrew >:D

Eating fries? Lke a fork or something?  :think:

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Re: Is it really $55 better?
Reply #29 on: November 14, 2014, 03:18:19 AM
I scored a CT lite thinking it would be my perfect SAK and was sadly disappointed with the light.  Very very dull at best, think Maglite Solitaire on weak batteries.

The CT 41 I scored on fleabay marked as a Swisschamp.  It is a great SAK but the Swisschamp for me is just to good to shelf.  I don't really need the 4mm bits so no need to carry it and it go unused.  I am attracted to the XLT but cost wise not so much. 

I wanted to collect an example of each CT and am thankful to have them but my Swisschamp is king to me.   
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