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rdub934 · **Reply #60 on:** January 24, 2015, 10:43:35 PM

Still, though, this probably matches up comparably to other light duty, pocket-carry tools such as the Gerber Balance or Octane, or the Leatherman Skeletool (which is known to fail if used for heavy tasks).

Etherealicer · **Reply #61 on:** January 24, 2015, 10:53:35 PM

That is exactly my question. How bad is it? I mean the last task my pliers had to fulfill was shortening wooden skewers to the shashlik would fit into my frying pan

AimlessWanderer · **Reply #62 on:** January 24, 2015, 11:16:21 PM

Quote from: rdub934 on January 24, 2015, 10:43:35 PM

Still, though, this probably matches up comparably to other light duty, pocket-carry tools such as the Gerber Balance or Octane, or the Leatherman Skeletool (which is known to fail if used for heavy tasks).

Not even close!

Look at the Skele, Balance and Octane, and how these forces are transmitted to the head. The go back to the pic above. Remember that pathetic little pin is only on one side of the head. Think how wire cutters are sited very close to the pivot to be most effective, well that pin is even nearer and so subjected to more force, is only in a cast material (not usually good with tensile or shear forces), and will gradually weaken with every use. Having never broken my original Switchplier (because I don't use it), I can't be more definitive in what the breaking point is ...

At a guess, I'd say Dime would be a nearer comparison, because if you overload those the backspring buckles - but remember you are trying to stay at that level of duty on a fuller sized tool where it's very easy to apply that little bit too much force

JAfromMn · **Reply #63 on:** January 24, 2015, 11:54:12 PM

I love the looks of the new switch pliers.

It's to bad it won't be a quality tool.

Syph007 · **Reply #64 on:** January 25, 2015, 04:29:11 AM

If its the same cast pin design and it breaks, I'll drill it out and replace it with a hardened steel dowel pin.

ducttapetech · **Reply #65 on:** January 25, 2015, 05:13:51 AM

Quote from: Ombudsman on January 24, 2015, 09:05:11 PM

Just checked the Patents for the Switchplier:

Hand tool with retractable jaws US 5829329

Hand tool with retractable jaw assembly US 5957013

And is not being referenced recently by SOG

So you must be right Trad ! They didn't do anything to improve the mechanism.

(Image removed from quote.)

That says 1998. I wonder if there the same now?

Nate

rdub934 · **Reply #66 on:** January 25, 2015, 04:00:34 PM

Quote from: ducttapetech on January 25, 2015, 05:13:51 AM

Quote from: Ombudsman on January 24, 2015, 09:05:11 PM
Just checked the Patents for the Switchplier:

Hand tool with retractable jaws US 5829329

Hand tool with retractable jaw assembly US 5957013

And is not being referenced recently by SOG

So you must be right Trad ! They didn't do anything to improve the mechanism.

(Image removed from quote.)
That says 1998. I wonder if there the same now?

Nate

http://www.trademarkia.com/switchplier-75714205.html

I bet it is the same. Tradmarkia page for SwitchPlier - filed in 1999, but check this out, "REGISTERED AND RENEWED
3/16/2011". Have they been sitting on a re-release for 4 years? Lol

Etherealicer · **Reply #67 on:** January 25, 2015, 05:20:26 PM

Quote from: Syph007 on January 25, 2015, 04:29:11 AM

If its the same cast pin design and it breaks, I'll drill it out and replace it with a hardened steel dowel pin.

Ok I'm totally ignorant when it comes to steel and such. But I conclude from the above, that the pin would hold if done from hardened steel, right? Now check the design again. Unlike the images of the Switchplier the pin is not part of the plier-head. So, maybe the original design was good, but they changed it when it came into production to save money. So, if I understand this correct, all we have to hope for is that they don't jump hoops and make it correct this time.

Syph007 · **Reply #68 on:** January 25, 2015, 05:32:41 PM

Quote from: Etherealicer on January 25, 2015, 05:20:26 PM

Quote from: Syph007 on January 25, 2015, 04:29:11 AM
If its the same cast pin design and it breaks, I'll drill it out and replace it with a hardened steel dowel pin.

Ok I'm totally ignorant when it comes to steel and such. But I conclude from the above, that the pin would hold if done from hardened steel, right? Now check the design again. Unlike the images of the Switchplier the pin is not part of the plier-head. So, maybe the original design was good, but they changed it when it came into production to save money. So, if I understand this correct, all we have to hope for is that they don't jump hoops and make it correct this time.

Yep most folders used hardened steel stop pins in construction and those take alot of shear force, so its totally doable. I understand the convenience of having them cast as part of the plier head but that is a very weak design and Id be shocked if they repeated it blindly to have the same failure rate. That would just be absurd.

Im excited to get one and take it apart though!

Ryo Saeba · **Reply #69 on:** January 31, 2015, 02:36:39 AM

I want one.

babola · **Reply #70 on:** January 31, 2015, 09:57:02 AM

Quote from: ducttapetech on January 25, 2015, 05:13:51 AM

Hand tool with retractable jaw assembly US 5957013

(Image removed from quote.)

That says 1998

Nate

Yet for some reason it reminds me of 1898

JBW1 · **Reply #71 on:** January 31, 2015, 05:49:58 PM

Did the Wright Brohers draw that??

rdub934 · **Reply #72 on:** February 08, 2015, 12:51:51 AM

Pre-order on knife center for $43.95. I like that price a lot more than the $65 msrp

http://www.knifecenter.com/item/SOGSWP1001/sog-swp1001-switchplier-20-multi-tool-black-and-silver

Syph007 · **Reply #73 on:** February 08, 2015, 01:46:41 AM

The price worries me a bit actually. Thats less that a power duo, and we all know what kind of quality processes those were constructed with. I'll still buy one though.

rdub934 · **Reply #74 on:** February 08, 2015, 03:25:06 AM

Quote from: Syph007 on February 08, 2015, 01:46:41 AM

The price worries me a bit actually. Thats less that a power duo, and we all know what kind of quality processes those were constructed with. I'll still buy one though.

I see what you are getting at but I don't think it will be as garbagey as the PowerDuo. The SP2 uses the same implements that the good SOGs use, plus the locking system from the PowerLock. So I would be surprised if there were any more play than is found on the PowerLock. We will have to see about the pliers.

The price of the PowerDuo is a reflection on the Lock-Back knife first, multi-tool second nature of the PowerDuo, IMO

rdub934 · **Reply #75 on:** February 08, 2015, 09:48:18 PM

http://mygunculture.com/two-handy-tools-from-sog/

Shopped, or something SOG considered/is considering for the future?

AimlessWanderer · **Reply #76 on:** February 08, 2015, 10:37:56 PM

Totally shopped

rdub934 · **Reply #77 on:** February 09, 2015, 12:19:10 AM

It doesn't look like it would be able to close the handles together all the way.

The fact that the handles look slightly different and that it has two flats, as well as a CE and SE blade had me thinking prototype

Demel · **Reply #78 on:** March 09, 2015, 02:30:20 AM

I wonder if you will be able to swap out the file for scissors? I would even lose file and can opener for a pair of scissors.

Any news on a release date yet?

Kampfer · **Reply #79 on:** March 09, 2015, 08:41:23 AM

You can order one from SOG web site right now.

Demel · **Reply #80 on:** March 09, 2015, 10:22:23 PM

They have it up, but it just says coming soon.

Kampfer · **Reply #81 on:** March 10, 2015, 12:07:57 AM

Quote from: Kampfer on January 19, 2015, 11:25:12 PM

I will wait until retailers have them in stock to order one.
Don't want to pay MSRP ordering from SOG directly.

Back two months ago i was able to order it, but i didn't.
What is going on there?

Ryo Saeba · **Reply #82 on:** March 15, 2015, 01:26:57 AM

Academy had the new switchpliers on the self today.

rdub934 · **Reply #83 on:** March 17, 2015, 04:05:00 AM

Quote from: rdub934 on February 08, 2015, 09:48:18 PM

http://mygunculture.com/two-handy-tools-from-sog/

Shopped, or something SOG considered/is considering for the future?

In regards to the image, which shows a Switchplier 2.0 with tools in BOTH handles, I asked the guy who posted the article with the picture in question and he says:

"This is from the media kit I picked up at SHOT Show. If I remember correctly, the “more tools” version is coming out soon."

Pretty cool.

Demel · **Reply #84 on:** March 21, 2015, 12:38:16 AM

As I look at the switchplier, I keep thinking, "What if the other components (knife, drivers...) were available on the outside?" Is sog against outside access tools?

rdub934 · **Reply #85 on:** March 21, 2015, 01:53:35 AM

Quote from: Demel on March 21, 2015, 12:38:16 AM

As I look at the switchplier, I keep thinking, "What if the other components (knife, drivers...) were available on the outside?" Is sog against outside access tools?

Apparently they are, lol. They would be my favorite MT company if they would update their designs.

Demel · **Reply #86 on:** March 21, 2015, 02:05:54 AM

Quote from: rdub934 on March 21, 2015, 01:53:35 AM

Quote from: Demel on March 21, 2015, 12:38:16 AM
As I look at the switchplier, I keep thinking, "What if the other components (knife, drivers...) were available on the outside?" Is sog against outside access tools?

Apparently they are, lol. They would be my favorite MT company if they would update their designs.

Ditto

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