SOG Switch Plier 2.0

[rdub934]

I know this is a dumb question, but does the SP2 have or not have compound leverage?

It doesn't look like it does, but with all the websites that list it as a feature, and even a lot of user reviews mention it I am curious - what is the verdict?

[Demel]

I know this is a dumb question, but does the SP2 have or not have compound leverage?

It doesn't look like it does, but with all the websites that list it as a feature, and even a lot of user reviews mention it I am curious - what is the verdict?

It does. Check it out here http://www.sogknives.com/switchplier-2-0.html No dumb questions here 

[rdub934]

I know this is a dumb question, but does the SP2 have or not have compound leverage?

It doesn't look like it does, but with all the websites that list it as a feature, and even a lot of user reviews mention it I am curious - what is the verdict?

It does. Check it out here http://www.sogknives.com/switchplier-2-0.html No dumb questions here 

Cool, thanks! Do you know if the OG SwitchPlier had compound leverage?

[Demel]

I know this is a dumb question, but does the SP2 have or not have compound leverage?

It doesn't look like it does, but with all the websites that list it as a feature, and even a lot of user reviews mention it I am curious - what is the verdict?

It does. Check it out here http://www.sogknives.com/switchplier-2-0.html No dumb questions here 

Cool, thanks! Do you know if the OG SwitchPlier had compound leverage?

That I do not know. Someone more experienced would have to chime in

[Kampfer]

SP2 does not have compound levelage. But it is spring loaded.

[Demel]

SP2 does not have compound levelage. But it is spring loaded.

Did they lie on their website? It looks like it has the gears as well...and the guy said it in that shot show video 

[Kampfer]

Give me two weeks, I will do a full review on SP2.0, tested the can opener last night it created a huge mess chewing up the can.

[Demel]

Give me two weeks, I will do a full review on SP2.0, tested the can opener last night it created a huge mess chewing up the can.

Sounds like a plan

[rdub934]

SP2 does not have compound levelage. But it is spring loaded.

Did they lie on their website? It looks like it has the gears as well...and the guy said it in that shot show video 

The gears are not what give SOGs compound leverage - dedicated compound leverage tools do not have gears . I could be wrong, but I believe the gears really only assist with allowing each handle to open at the same rate as the other. The "gears" on the SP2 appear to decorative, as they do not interact with the gears from the opposite handle.

I was asking because I recognize that if the SP2 does have compound leverage, then SOG is employing a new (for them) method of executing it.

[rdub934]

Give me two weeks, I will do a full review on SP2.0, tested the can opener last night it created a huge mess chewing up the can.

Maybe you just need more practice ? Lol, I rather like the SOG can opener.

[Demel]

SP2 does not have compound levelage. But it is spring loaded.

Did they lie on their website? It looks like it has the gears as well...and the guy said it in that shot show video 

The gears are not what give SOGs compound leverage - dedicated compound leverage tools do not have gears . I could be wrong, but I believe the gears really only assist with allowing each handle to open at the same rate as the other. The "gears" on the SP2 appear to decorative, as they do not interact with the gears from the opposite handle.

I was asking because I recognize that if the SP2 does have compound leverage, then SOG is employing a new (for them) method of executing it.

Understandable. I'm not an expert on sog technology. I can only go by what is written and said.

[Kampfer]

It started nice, but after a couple bites it really started to go down hill. After half way through it completely deformed the can and stopped all together

[gregozedobe]

If the SP2 uses the same mechanism as the orginal SP it doesn't have gears.  It may or may not have "compound leverage" depending on the relative distances from their respective pivots of the pin on the plier jaws and the slot in the handle that works on  the pin. 

If the pin is closer to its pivot than the slot is to its pivot, then a large movement of the handle will give a smaller movement of the jaw (and therefore a stronger grip on whatever is being gripped), which would fit my definition of "compound leverage".

If you look at the photos (of a dismantled orginal SP) in this post it looks like they are different distances from their respective pivots:

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,56923.msg1026963.html#msg1026963

[Demel]

Does anyone think the sp2 will be the new candidate for a good bladeless mt? Replacing blade and can opener with scissors maybe? Or swapping the blade for a saw?

[gregozedobe]

Does anyone think the sp2 will be the new candidate for a good bladeless mt? Replacing blade and can opener with scissors maybe? Or swapping the blade for a saw?

I think the jury is still out on how strong the pin is that operates the pliers jaw in the SP2 - it was definitely a weakness in the original SwitchPlier.

[AimlessWanderer]

If the SP2 uses the same mechanism as the orginal SP it doesn't have gears.  It may or may not have "compound leverage" depending on the relative distances from their respective pivots of the pin on the plier jaws and the slot in the handle that works on  the pin. 

If the pin is closer to its pivot than the slot is to its pivot, then a large movement of the handle will give a smaller movement of the jaw (and therefore a stronger grip on whatever is being gripped), which would fit my definition of "compound leverage".

If you look at the photos (of a dismantled orginal SP) in this post it looks like they are different distances from their respective pivots:

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,56923.msg1026963.html#msg1026963

SOG's claims on their website, and put forward in their sales bumph, says this has SOG's patented compound leverage, but it clearly does not. They have made it look like it might with the gear effect at the pivot end, but there is no gearing in play. If you look at the angle of the pliers head when open, and remember that the handles will still be partially open when those pliers close, it's pretty clear to me that the degree of travel of both pliers and handles will be the same. No compound leverage!

Quality wise, SOG have been on a decline for anumber of years. Multitools, fixed blade knives, the Powerduo, all of which have hurt their reputation in my eyes. I would like to think this is the first step of them getting their act together, but the clear error/lie about the compound leverage makes me think otherwise.

They have a lot of work to do before they regain my trust in the brand

[alexTOOL]

New keychain fake!: 

[gregozedobe]

New keychain fake!: 

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That looks like a Stanley Auto-Plier to me (and they are actually 3.5" closed, so bigger than what the photo is representing).  As $2.48 each I've just ordered some, so it will be nteresting to see what turns up. 

[rdub934]

I just confirmed with SOG that the SP2 does NOT feature compound leverage. Just a misprint on the website.

[ducttapetech]

Good to know. I still really want one. Sadly I am not sure now if I will be able to get one this payday.

Nate
That's us mobile

[J-sews]

It hasn't been an everyday carry for me, but I've been using my SP2 on occasion over the last couple months. It hasn't failed, nor do I expect it to. The ground steel linkage pin (not cast like the SP1) seems to be plenty robust. And the frame is stamped steel of a proper thickness, not cast pot metal like the SP1. I can squeeze the plier handles with the full force of one hand and there is no give. 

Another plus I've noted is the return-open spring on the plier jaws. Note this is not the spring that "launches" the plier head, this is the spring that returns the jaws to the open position after you let up on the handles. On my SP1, this spring is a bit lazy, and the jaws don't always open fully like they should. On the SP2, a larger "cloths pin" type spring is used, and the jaws open smartly when the handles are released. (You can see a portion of the cloths pin spring's arm in photos of the tool showing the side opposite the pocket clip.) I think the longer arms on the spring allow it to work better.

As regards the leverage, it is indeed 1 to 1, not compound. The gear-like "teeth" around the plier pivot area are evidently there only for appearance sake. 

I have not tried substituting any other blades on mine, but they look to be standard SOG pattern, so mods should be easy.

Bob

[ducttapetech]

Thanks for the info Bob!

Nate
That's us mobile

[Yadda]

Interesting review from Tool Guyd for the Switchplier. - http://toolguyd.com/sog-switchplier-2-multi-tool-week1-review/

[Mr. Whippy]

Interesting review from Tool Guyd for the Switchplier. - http://toolguyd.com/sog-switchplier-2-multi-tool-week1-review/

I don't know...

He's said a few things that are wrong (ie the pliers DON'T have to be deployed to open the the handle tools). But he may have a point about clumping, although I've never had much trouble with it.  I would be pissed if I kept stabbing myself with the awl, so I'll be testing that for sure.

[Kampfer]

Interesting review from Tool Guyd for the Switchplier. - http://toolguyd.com/sog-switchplier-2-multi-tool-week1-review/

I don't know...

He's said a few things that are wrong (ie the pliers DON'T have to be deployed to open the the handle tools). But he may have a point about clumping, although I've never had much trouble with it.  I would be pissed if I kept stabbing myself with the awl, so I'll be testing that for sure.

Allow me clarify this:
you can deploy the knife or file WITHOUT deploying the pliers, just lift the sliver handle up, pull out the tool and close handle after.

The other internal tools all clump and started drive me nut after a while.

Closing the pliers is easy for me, push the button, close handle then close pliers, all can done done with one hand within 2 seconds.

[AimlessWanderer]

Same as the original then 

[Kampfer]

Here is my SP2.0 reconfigured :
From left to right, Knife blade, super thin washer, can opener, awl, spacer, Philips driver, bottler opener.

In this configuration, the blade doesn't clump with other tools, other tools still clump but much less, tool access is much better.
I can pull out the knife, can opener, or bottle opener individuality without deploying the pliers.
The only tools I must fire the pliers to get to are awl and Philips driver.

[Kampfer]

Here is proof: https://www.facebook.com/Lam.Kampfer/videos/o.15283224015/10200582212154530/?type=2&theater&notif_t=video_processed

[Demel]

Where can I get one? Niether Amazon nor Sog has it available. Has anyone ordered from this site before? http://m.academy.com/shop/pdp/sog-switchplier-2-0-multi-tool/pid-1504132?deviceType=true

[Mr. Whippy]

Where can I get one? Niether Amazon nor Sog has it available. Has anyone ordered from this site before? http://m.academy.com/shop/pdp/sog-switchplier-2-0-multi-tool/pid-1504132?deviceType=true

That's where I bought mine.  Very smooth transaction.

Still extremely happy with my SP 2.0, btw.