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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #720 on: December 31, 2014, 01:08:10 AM
A couple of golden oldies  :tu:
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #721 on: December 31, 2014, 02:08:02 AM
Cool PSTs Steve :tu:

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #722 on: December 31, 2014, 02:41:35 PM
Quote from: Monrogue on December 31, 2014, 02:08:02 AM
Cool PSTs Steve :tu:

Also, congrats to Greg for 2K posts :cheers:
 

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #723 on: December 31, 2014, 04:14:34 PM
Quote from: Monrogue on December 31, 2014, 02:08:02 AM
Also, congrats to Greg for 2K posts :cheers:

Thanks Guys  :-[

While I'm here I might as well tell you about my latest odd-ball PST ( I do like the unusual ones  :D )

This looks just like a regular v7 PST except for the pliers, which only have "Leatherman" on them (no "USA" like you'd expect). 

They look like the standard rounded USA made pliers (ie not Japanese pliers), and the whole tool looks totally unused and unmarked, so I don't think it is a parts bin special or repair job.  The casting for the word "Leatherman" is different (slightly smaller font) to that on my really early PSTs (the other USA PSTs that I have that don't have "USA" on the pliers), and they have been ground slightly rounder on the outside of the jaws.

All in all it is a bit of a puzzle to me. Anyone else have one or seen one like this ?
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #724 on: January 01, 2015, 04:23:53 AM
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #725 on: January 01, 2015, 03:06:28 PM
Quote from: David on January 01, 2015, 04:23:53 AM
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Yes that looks like it (and I'm very impressed that you both knew of them AND exactly where to look  :tu: )

Would you agree that the pliers are a bit different to the "Leatherman" only pliers on the really early PSTs ?  I wonder why they later made (an obviously small number of) pliers without the "USA" on them.

It is almost like Leatherman were anticipating the kerfuffle they had years later about putting "USA" on pliers that weren't 100% made in the USA (when they had to grind out the "USA" on a whole lot of made but unsold MTs after they lost a court case).
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #726 on: January 01, 2015, 07:14:35 PM
I'll have to go dig mine out and look at it and compare it to some others. I always figured Leatherman was just using up old parts.    :)  Leatherman might have had different vendors supplying them and machines wear so there can be small differences very easily.
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #727 on: January 04, 2015, 12:40:35 AM
These four PSTs left to right:

1 blank handles except for US Pat #, no USA plier head, etched knife blade
2 POCKET SURVIVAL TOOL, no USA plier head, etched knife blade
3 late 80's PST, no USA plier head
4 POCKET SURVIVAL TOOL, US Pat #, USA plier head

The plier head stampings on 1 and 2 are different than 3 and 4. There was a change of tooling or vendors. It seems to me there was a transition from one to the other. Plier heads 1 and 2 are more blocky than the rounder 3 and 4. I'm still of the opinion that Leatherman was using up old plier heads on PST #3. There you have it. Let the discussion begin.    :D
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #728 on: January 05, 2015, 02:37:58 AM
Quote from: David on January 04, 2015, 12:40:35 AM
These four PSTs left to right:

1 blank handles except for US Pat #, no USA plier head, etched knife blade
2 POCKET SURVIVAL TOOL, no USA plier head, etched knife blade
3 late 80's PST, no USA plier head
4 POCKET SURVIVAL TOOL, US Pat #, USA plier head

The plier head stampings on 1 and 2 are different than 3 and 4. There was a change of tooling or vendors. It seems to me there was a transition from one to the other. Plier heads 1 and 2 are more blocky than the rounder 3 and 4. I'm still of the opinion that Leatherman was using up old plier heads on PST #3. There you have it. Let the discussion begin.    :D

That's my guess as well. The different vendors (mentioned here... http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,6065.new.html#new) would explain the slight differences in the font.

When they received a box of plier heads in, they probably just dumped them in a big bin and grabed the ones on top to assemble the tools. Maybe a few of the older plier heads remained in the bin when it was nearly empty and they dumped in a new batch to fill it up. A couple years later when they finally got to the bottom of the bin, there lies the old plier heads. Just a theory  :D.
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #729 on: January 05, 2015, 02:47:30 AM
Has anyone ever seen a PST marked POCKET SURVIVAL TOOL with a lanyard ring?

How about black oxide... does anybody know when Leatherman started making BO PSTs?

Just curious :whistle:
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #730 on: January 05, 2015, 06:05:15 AM
Quote from: bdAmmo on January 05, 2015, 02:47:30 AM
Has anyone ever seen a PST marked POCKET SURVIVAL TOOL with a lanyard ring?

How about black oxide... does anybody know when Leatherman started making BO PSTs?
Just curious :whistle:

In the late 80's from what I've seen. I have several no date BO PST's. Never seen or heard of one before then. While we are on the no date late 80's PST one way to date them a little is that the ones with the single cut file to the outside are older than the ones with the double cut to the outside.
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #731 on: January 05, 2015, 06:19:14 AM
Quote from: bdAmmo on January 05, 2015, 02:47:30 AM
Has anyone ever seen a PST marked POCKET SURVIVAL TOOL with a lanyard ring?
Well I've got one, but I'm a bit suspicious of my particular PST (#644) because it has a saber-clip point blade which I understood weren't made until later. 

The screws on the component end of the handles show definite signs of being opened using pliers or similar (the knurling is slightly "chewed").

However the screws on the plier & lanyard end show no signs of ever having been opened (but that doesn't mean they weren't).

This tool has "LEATHERMAN TOOL" with no (R)  and also "US PAT 4138862" and "PORTLAND OR" stamped on the bottom handle.

Quote from: bdAmmo on January 05, 2015, 02:47:30 AM
How about black oxide... does anybody know when Leatherman started making BO PSTs?

Just curious :whistle:

Hmm, I'm guessing you are referring to that rarity you just won on the bay of fleas  :pok: 

Extra good find  :tu:  :tu:  :tu:  :salute:  :salute:  :salute:

I've never seen such an early PST with a BO finish.  My guess it is either a prototype/pre-production tool made by Leatherman, or else it is an after-market BO treatment.  It may be worth asking CJ Goodrich if he knows anything about it ?
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #732 on: January 07, 2015, 03:43:09 AM
Quote from: David on January 05, 2015, 06:05:15 AM
Quote from: bdAmmo on January 05, 2015, 02:47:30 AM
Has anyone ever seen a PST marked POCKET SURVIVAL TOOL with a lanyard ring?

How about black oxide... does anybody know when Leatherman started making BO PSTs?
Just curious :whistle:

In the late 80's from what I've seen. I have several no date BO PST's. Never seen or heard of one before then. While we are on the no date late 80's PST one way to date them a little is that the ones with the single cut file to the outside are older than the ones with the double cut to the outside.

Good to know, thanks David :salute:
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #733 on: January 07, 2015, 03:54:47 AM
Quote from: gregozedobe on January 05, 2015, 06:19:14 AM
Quote from: bdAmmo on January 05, 2015, 02:47:30 AM
Has anyone ever seen a PST marked POCKET SURVIVAL TOOL with a lanyard ring?
Well I've got one, but I'm a bit suspicious of my particular PST (#644) because it has a saber-clip point blade which I understood weren't made until later. 

The screws on the component end of the handles show definite signs of being opened using pliers or similar (the knurling is slightly "chewed").

However the screws on the plier & lanyard end show no signs of ever having been opened (but that doesn't mean they weren't).

This tool has "LEATHERMAN TOOL" with no (R)  and also "US PAT 4138862" and "PORTLAND OR" stamped on the bottom handle.

Quote from: bdAmmo on January 05, 2015, 02:47:30 AM
How about black oxide... does anybody know when Leatherman started making BO PSTs?

Just curious :whistle:

Hmm, I'm guessing you are referring to that rarity you just won on the bay of fleas  :pok: 

Extra good find  :tu:  :tu:  :tu:  :salute:  :salute:  :salute:

I've never seen such an early PST with a BO finish.  My guess it is either a prototype/pre-production tool made by Leatherman, or else it is an after-market BO treatment.  It may be worth asking CJ Goodrich if he knows anything about it ?

Thanks again Greg :salute: 

The PST you mentioned does sound a bit pieced together unfortunately.

I'm hoping the one I have on the way doesn't give me the same impressions. It does have all the correct parts (blade, old style can opener, milled awl) but that lanyard ring has me suspicious.
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #734 on: January 12, 2015, 07:09:38 AM
The details on my latest:

Rivets or knurled screws? Thick knurled screws
•   Lanyard attachment? Yes
•   (Old) small diameter or (new) large diameter plier pivot? Small
•   LEATHERMAN alone cast into plier pivot? Or with USA? Or TOOL? LEATHERMAN USA
•   A hard wire cutter notch? No
•   Handles stamped with what? "Upper" LEATHERMAN TOOL PORTLAND OR "Lower" POCKET SURVIVAL TOOL
•   Inch ruler only, or inch/metric? Inch only
•   Date codes? No
•   Drop point knife blade or clip point? (saber?) Old drop point
•   Knife blade tang stamped LEATHERMAN alone? Or with USA? Or JAPAN? LEATHERMAN USA
•   Screwdrivers: pivot-in or pivot-out? Pivot in


Oh, I almost forgot to mention.... it's a black oxide PST :D
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #735 on: January 15, 2015, 08:08:22 AM
Nice score there Pat! Hope you post a pic some day. i saw the auction pic but you take better pics.
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #736 on: January 18, 2015, 06:22:18 PM
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #737 on: January 18, 2015, 06:25:22 PM
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I've got 2 on the way here. One looks like it's been swapped head wise?

 Here are some photos that he sent me. This is all I have until they get here.
Looks like you got two Super Tools on the Way, not PST's buddy..  :)
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #738 on: January 18, 2015, 06:25:47 PM
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I've got 2 on the way here. One looks like it's been swapped head wise?

 Here are some photos that he sent me. This is all I have until they get here.
Looks like you got two Super Tools on the Way, not PST's buddy..  :)
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #739 on: January 19, 2015, 12:15:23 AM
Quote from: David on January 15, 2015, 08:08:22 AM
Nice score there Pat! Hope you post a pic some day. i saw the auction pic but you take better pics.

I finally got around to taking a few pictures.










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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #740 on: January 19, 2015, 02:24:45 AM
Sweet pics Pat.  The BO PSTs look nice :)

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #741 on: January 19, 2015, 04:20:15 AM
Good pics Pat of an interesting PST. That is the earliest BO PST I've seen. The lanyard attachment has me   :think:    If they were working on a tool for a military contract the lanyard may have been one of the military requirements? Any way great score on that one.
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #742 on: January 19, 2015, 04:34:12 AM
Quote from: David on January 19, 2015, 04:20:15 AM
Good pics Pat of an interesting PST. That is the earliest BO PST I've seen. The lanyard attachment has me   :think:    If they were working on a tool for a military contract the lanyard may have been one of the military requirements? Any way great score on that one.
Definitely an interesting old PST.  The top handle looks like a v6 : no (R) stamp, no US PAT 4238862, with lanyard attachment, but the bottom handle looks like a v2 with its "POCKET SURVIVAL TOOL" stamp.  :think:  :tu:
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JPST v4 with unusual can opener
Reply #743 on: January 21, 2015, 09:48:40 AM
This (recently sold on eBay) JPST v4 has a very unusual can opener:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/271737316090

Click on "See original listing" and look at the last two photos in the series to see detail.

I've never seen a PST can opener with a profile like this one, has anyone else ?


I wonder if the winning bidder is a member of MTo ?  If not they should be, they have won quite a few nice collectible MTs recently  :tu:
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #744 on: January 21, 2015, 07:43:14 PM
Saw it and bid on it early. No can opener is worth that kind of money to me. Looks like a Monday morning grind to me. I have that PST with left and right hand ground can openers.   :)
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #745 on: January 22, 2015, 09:36:17 AM
Quote from: gregozedobe on December 31, 2014, 04:14:34 PM
Quote from: Monrogue on December 31, 2014, 02:08:02 AM
Also, congrats to Greg for 2K posts :cheers:

Thanks Guys  :-[

While I'm here I might as well tell you about my latest odd-ball PST ( I do like the unusual ones  :D )

This looks just like a regular v7 PST except for the pliers, which only have "Leatherman" on them (no "USA" like you'd expect). 

They look like the standard rounded USA made pliers (ie not Japanese pliers), and the whole tool looks totally unused and unmarked, so I don't think it is a parts bin special or repair job.  The casting for the word "Leatherman" is different (slightly smaller font) to that on my really early PSTs (the other USA PSTs that I have that don't have "USA" on the pliers), and they have been ground slightly rounder on the outside of the jaws.

All in all it is a bit of a puzzle to me. Anyone else have one or seen one like this ?

I would like to see some photos of the PST.
PS I have such PST with pliers old model (until 2001) with a stamp "Leatherman Tool"

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #746 on: February 18, 2015, 08:52:13 PM

•   Rivets or knurled screws?knurled
•   Lanyard attachment?yes
•   (Old) small diameter or (new) large diameter plier pivot? Old
•   LEATHERMAN alone cast into plier pivot? Or with USA? Or TOOL?leatherman usa
•   A hard wire cutter notch?yes
•   Handles stamped with what? Leatherman tool Portland or
•   Inch ruler only, or inch/metric? Inch/metric
•   Date codes?0897
•   Drop point knife blade or clip point? (saber?)drop
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•   Screwdrivers: pivot-in or pivot-out? Not sure??????  How do I tell?

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #747 on: June 12, 2015, 12:24:12 PM

Thank you J-Sews and everyone who contributed to this thread. This is a great source of information because there are so many variations of the PST. I was able to identify my early-mid 80s PST and also confirm accuracy of the ones listed on evil-bay.
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #748 on: September 13, 2015, 06:42:40 PM
Have someone CC and BO CC PST's (or at least their photos) which has been produced during period 0202 - 1004?
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #749 on: October 28, 2015, 04:57:56 AM
Thanks for all the hard work on the chronology,
Here is my Leatherman group photo so far
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