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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #810 on: April 14, 2016, 02:19:35 PM
•  •   Rivets or knurled screws? Screws
•   Lanyard attachment? Yes
•   (Old) small diameter or (new) large diameter plier pivot? Small
•   LEATHERMAN alone cast into plier pivot? Or with USA? Or TOOL? LEATHERMAN USA
•   A hard wire cutter notch? No
•   Handles stamped with what? (see pictures in next post for examples) Center: LEATHERMAN ® TOOL  left: US REG TM 1325473 right: PORTLAND OR
•   Inch ruler only, or inch/metric? inch/metric
•   Date codes? 0693/0693
•   Drop point knife blade or clip point? (saber?) Clip point (saber)
•   Knife blade tang stamped LEATHERMAN alone? Or with USA? Or JAPAN? LEATHERMAN USA. File stamped: LEATHERMAN
•   Screwdrivers: pivot-in or pivot-out pivot in
•   Can opener: Right hand cut

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #811 on: April 15, 2016, 07:24:09 PM
Three oldies  :)








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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #812 on: April 15, 2016, 09:03:48 PM
 :drool: :drool: :drool:


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #813 on: April 16, 2016, 01:52:11 AM
Very nice wowaboro :tu:


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #814 on: April 16, 2016, 03:05:36 AM
Three oldies  :)
Cool PSTs  :tu:

The "US Pat 4238862"-only PSTs are interesting to me, and the one with with "Leatherman, USA" etched on the blade is particularly interesting, as it seems to indicate these were made very early in the LM PST production runs.

I've often wondered why LM produced a PST without any "Leatherman" branding on the handles ( I have a few myself, and while not common they do pop up every now and then).  Was it made for a particular reseller to re-badge as their own (but who never went through with the contract) or are these actually the long-lost Early Winters catalogue version ?  I've never even seen a photo of the actual production PSTs made for the Early Winters catalogue, only the pre-production version shown in ads.

Can anyone shed light on this small mystery ?
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #815 on: April 16, 2016, 06:39:57 PM
Cool PSTs  :tu:

The "US Pat 4238862"-only PSTs are interesting to me, and the one with with "Leatherman, USA" etched on the blade is particularly interesting, as it seems to indicate these were made very early in the LM PST production runs.

I've often wondered why LM produced a PST without any "Leatherman" branding on the handles ( I have a few myself, and while not common they do pop up every now and then).  Was it made for a particular reseller to re-badge as their own (but who never went through with the contract) or are these actually the long-lost Early Winters catalogue version ?  I've never even seen a photo of the actual production PSTs made for the Early Winters catalogue, only the pre-production version shown in ads.

Can anyone shed light on this small mystery ?

Hmm, maybe you right, Greg  :cheers:
On pictures from Early Winters catalogue, PST has no one inscription - no stamps on handles, no etched on blade, no cast on pliers and even nothing on leather sheath. Just clear visual sample. And as you say, for all these years, nowhere no even just the one photo of real metal PST like on EW ad.
Now I'm sure on 99%, when "real metal" EW PSTs arrived to stores, it's been this "US PAT 4238862 only" modification. There is simply no other variants.


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #816 on: April 17, 2016, 12:25:49 PM
We got my Dad's PST from that catalog sometime in late '84 but unfortunately I lost it after he gave it to me.  I don't remember anything unusual markings wise, which makes that blade marking all the more fascinating.  I'm a huge PST/PST II fan, and love this thread!
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #817 on: April 17, 2016, 03:57:57 PM
Those advertising pics are great wowaboro :cheers: The PST is one of my all time favs and just a classic that even with a the few flaws it has can be carried still in this day and age and still be very helpful with day to day life :tu:


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #818 on: April 17, 2016, 04:46:10 PM
Those advertising pics are great wowaboro :cheers: The PST is one of my all time favs and just a classic that even with a the few flaws it has can be carried still in this day and age and still be very helpful with day to day life :tu:

Thanks, Poncho  :cheers:
I love PST - from him all multitool's history was started and now it's very interesting object for collecting.
But my EDC, for many years - Juice SC2  :salute:


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #819 on: June 17, 2016, 03:22:55 PM
If you haven't checked the first page in a while there is an awesome PST chronology diagram created by Huntsman edited into the first post that can be used as a great reference in your PST hunting :cheers:


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #820 on: June 17, 2016, 07:16:23 PM
If you haven't checked the first page in a while there is an awesome PST chronology diagram created by Huntsman edited into the first post that can be used as a great reference in your PST hunting :cheers:

Thanks, Poncho, but I have my own PST working table  :cheers:
Just for sample, it's preview, unfinished and therefore so poorly visible ;) variant:

« Last Edit: June 17, 2016, 07:21:48 PM by wowaboro »


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #821 on: June 17, 2016, 07:40:25 PM
If you haven't checked the first page in a while there is an awesome PST chronology diagram created by Huntsman edited into the first post that can be used as a great reference in your PST hunting :cheers:

Thanks, Poncho, but I have my own PST working table  :cheers:
Just for sample, it's preview, unfinished and therefore so poorly visible ;) variant:

(Image removed from quote.)

Yes but you are a bit more into the variants than most :whistle:


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #822 on: June 26, 2016, 09:48:55 AM
If you haven't checked the first page in a while there is an awesome PST chronology diagram created by Huntsman edited into the first post that can be used as a great reference in your PST hunting :cheers:

Thanks for the plug Poncho

However I think my Chronology is the kindergarten/new starter's version

Wowbaro's is the PhD version


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #823 on: June 30, 2016, 11:39:38 AM
•   Rivets or knurled screws?   
knurled screws

•  Lanyard attachment?   
 Yes

•   (Old) small diameter or (new) large diameter plier pivot? 
   Small

•   LEATHERMAN alone cast into plier pivot? Or with USA? Or TOOL?     
Leatherman USA

•  A hard wire cutter notch?     
 Yes (no indicator)

•   Handles stamped with what?
LEATHERMAN® TOOL PORTLAND OR

•  Inch ruler only, or inch/metric? 
Inch/metric

•   Date codes?   
1000 on handle with blade
0900 on handle with file

  Drop point knife blade or clip point? (saber?)     
Drop point

•  Knife blade tang stamped LEATHERMAN alone? Or with USA? Or JAPAN? 
   Leatherman USA on blade
Leatherman on file

•   Screwdrivers: pivot-in or pivot-out?   
I don't know what this means.

My Philips is not that square pivot side, like SOG makes. It's the other design. C on one side, 3 on the other.
This one:


Not this one:


So happy with this. Great condition, and loki's wrenches fit this.  :cheers: So awesome!   :D
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #824 on: June 30, 2016, 11:53:45 AM
 :think: I think that this probably has knurled screws instead of rivets,  correct?  Other than that it probably has the newer clip point as well :think: and possibly the larger pivot, I am just goin by the datecodes of it mind you though ;)

Still a PST is great to receive any day of the week :cheers:
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #825 on: June 30, 2016, 12:01:47 PM
:think: I think that this probably has knurled screws instead of rivets,  correct?  Other than that it probably has the newer clip point as well :think: and possibly the larger pivot, I am just goin by the datecodes of it mind you though ;)

Still a PST is great to receive any day of the week :cheers:

oops. yes, knurled screws. same size as charge/rebar. fit perfectly in loki's wrenches.

I'm pretty sure it has the small pivot plier, but I don't have another one to compare it to. Just a Sideclip, which has the exact same size pivot.

What does pivot-in and pivot-out drivers mean?


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #826 on: June 30, 2016, 02:23:00 PM
Hi RP

I had the same question myself when I started getting interested in PSTs

And I have seen the question in this thread a couple of times too – So here is what I think is the answer - See the photo below
Pivot in on the left, on an old JPST - Pivot out on the right, on a 2004 PST II
Although if I am correct you have pretty much answered the question yourself above!!  :tu:  :D



And here is my theory as to why !!

The screwdriver tips have to be against the handles when folded way so that the plier head will fit. So the initial design was as seen on the left.

The problem with this design is that when you open the tool the centre of the driver is above the pivot slightly to the inside of the handles, so as you bear down on a screw the centre of the force will be on the inside of the pivot, which of course will make the driver want to fold.

So LM came up with this ingenious design where the driver is still against the handle when folded away. However when you fold it out the centre of the driver is above the outside of the pivot. So now when you drive down on a screw the centre of the force is on the outside of the pivot and this tends to force the driver to stay open.

Brilliant – Although surprising it took them 15 years to come up with this.

This design has been somewhat negated by locking tools – But you still see it on the Juice drivers, and just today I noticed that the Wave flat driver has a similar design, even though it is locking.

Note this is just my uneducated guess  :o – I am sure an expert will be along soon !!  :tu:

PS. And I just noticed that the PST II flat driver is a little bent - Sometimes easier to see things on a piccie - Better fix that!
LM PST Pivot Out In.JPG
* LM PST Pivot Out In.JPG (Filesize: 284.85 KB)
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #827 on: June 30, 2016, 03:10:33 PM
Great pics, thanks!
Your theory sounds bulletproof, if it is not correct I'll be amazed. Makes perfect sense, and you explained it beautifully.  :hatsoff:
That pic should be in the OP, so people can see what pivot in/out means, maybe with other pics, showcasing the different variants of features?

I should have gone through this thread before ordering my PST, but I was too damn impressed with it.
I am glad I ended up with the pivot out drivers. It's a beauty. Great condition, slim design, compact with the old sheath, loki's wrenches fit it perfectly. Disassembled it, cleaned it, put it back together. Great tool, sad to see it discontinued, like many others.

I'll hunt down a mini, Pulse/ST 200, Blast, OG Wave, and of course a PST II, for discontinued tools. And maybe a JPST, if I get lucky.
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #828 on: June 30, 2016, 07:21:53 PM
Great pics and explanation Huntsman :cheers:

Happy hunting RP :tu:


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #829 on: July 09, 2016, 05:43:35 AM
Just went back through a lot of this thread and it sure brought back a lot of memories for me :dd:


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #830 on: July 28, 2016, 12:44:09 AM
Recently aquired


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #831 on: July 28, 2016, 12:47:54 AM
Nice PST II Hugos :)
I used to come here a lot.


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #832 on: July 28, 2016, 12:55:48 AM


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #833 on: July 28, 2016, 01:04:34 AM
Thanks Gents, it came with a lot of play on the plier head, but LM replaced it with a new one, as well as a new blade. I then took it apart and cleaned it. Now one of my prized collection pieces, and Friday carry.


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #834 on: July 28, 2016, 04:08:41 PM
Thanks Gents, it came with a lot of play on the plier head, but LM replaced it with a new one, as well as a new blade. I then took it apart and cleaned it. Now one of my prized collection pieces, and Friday carry.


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Glad they could sort it out for you :cheers: and that it's in your EDC rotation :tu:


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #835 on: August 04, 2016, 05:57:15 AM
Just picked this bad boy up today...

•   Rivets or knurled screws?
Knurled

•   Lanyard attachment?
Yes

•   (Old) small diameter or (new) large diameter plier pivot?
Small diameter

•   LEATHERMAN alone cast into plier pivot? Or with USA? Or TOOL?
LEATHERMAN USA

•   A hard wire cutter notch?
No

•   Handles stamped with what? (see pictures in next post for examples)
One side of first handle stamped: LEATHERMAN TOOL, PORTLAND OR REG’D TM 1325473. The reverse side of this handle is blank.
The other handle is blank.


•   Inch ruler only, or inch/metric?
Inch / Metric

•   Date codes?
0493 on one handel only (knife blade side)

•   Drop point knife blade or clip point? (saber?)
Saber

•   Knife blade tang stamped LEATHERMAN alone? Or with USA? Or JAPAN?
LEATHERMAN USA

•   Screwdrivers: pivot-in or pivot-out?


This is a BO PST without cap crimper.

Pics to come shortly...


Cheers,
CB


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #836 on: August 04, 2016, 09:23:47 AM

•   Date codes?
0493 on one handle only (knife blade side)

This is a BO PST without cap crimper.

I'm sure on 100% other (file) handle also has date code.
It's maybe bad visible, but it there is  :)
You may try to wipe the internal surface of the handle.


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #837 on: August 05, 2016, 05:19:05 AM
Photos as promised...













Tool is old but seems like it wasn't used much or at all.

@wowaboro: Do you think it is possible that the BO coating covered the date?


CB


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #838 on: August 05, 2016, 05:32:27 AM

•   Date codes?
0493 on one handle only (knife blade side)

This is a BO PST without cap crimper.

I'm sure on 100% other (file) handle also has date code.
It's maybe bad visible, but it there is  :)
You may try to wipe the internal surface of the handle.

I had a SS PST which David has now :cheers: That only had a datecode in one handle and this one would be in the date range where they might have been a few non dated handles still left in the bin :think:
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #839 on: August 05, 2016, 05:34:26 AM
Photos as promised...

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Tool is old but seems like it wasn't used much or at all.

@wowaboro: Do you think it is possible that the BO coating covered the date?


CB

It is possible that the BO coating is hiding the date code but they only started putting the dates on them a little while prior to this :tu:

A very nice example you have there 8)


 

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