deciding on a charge/wave: coupla questions

[buck]

I like the Charge TTi but two things that are offputting (to me) are:

• the hook on the serrated blade
• the cap crimp in the pliers

So why pay extra money for things you don't want?  Just to get the cool TTi scales?

Regarding the hook, it seems like if the blade came slightly open in your pocket you could cut your pocket, pants, thigh, hand, something attached with paracord to your LM or keyring, etc.  I didn't find anything about this, has it happened to anyone?  On the contrary, there seems to a great deal of demand for the hookblade to modify waves.  Is it somewhat a "grass is greener on the other side of the fence" kind of thing?  Maybe I'll get a Damascus serrated blade and sell somebody the gut hookblade.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/390979956577?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&fromMakeTrack=true

Regarding the pliers with crimp, it just seems like you are losing the integrity of the bite for something of no use (to me).  But are there things that it is useful for I don't realize?

I did a cursory search and didn't find anything definitive about my 2 concerns.  Thanks in advance for your knowledge and edification.

I'm leaning toward getting the black and ironwood Charge but the diagram doesn't show scissors which bothers me; got to have scissors.  The other ironwoods they show with stainless or gold have the plain pliers and scissors in the diagram so I will see what gives with that.  I'm concerned about the black oxide wearing off in a pocket with keys. If its just going to get janked up no matter what maybe I should not spend the money and just get a wave and be happy.

http://www.txtoolcrafters.com/collections/ironwood-and-friends

[Obi1shinobee]

I like the Charge TTi but two things that are offputting (to me) are:

• the hook on the serrated blade
• the cap crimp in the pliers

So why pay extra money for things you don't want?  Just to get the cool TTi scales?

Regarding the hook, it seems like if the blade came slightly open in your pocket you could cut your pocket, pants, thigh, hand, something attached with paracord to your LM or keyring, etc.  I didn't find anything about this, has it happened to anyone?  On the contrary, there seems to a great deal of demand for the hookblade to modify waves.  Is it somewhat a "grass is greener on the other side of the fence" kind of thing?  Maybe I'll get a Damascus serrated blade and sell somebody the gut hookblade.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/390979956577?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&fromMakeTrack=true

Regarding the pliers with crimp, it just seems like you are losing the integrity of the bite for something of no use (to me).  But are there things that it is useful for I don't realize?

I did a cursory search and didn't find anything definitive about my 2 concerns.  Thanks in advance for your knowledge and edification.

I'm leaning toward getting the black and ironwood Charge but the diagram doesn't show scissors which bothers me; got to have scissors.  The other ironwoods they show with stainless or gold have the plain pliers and scissors in the diagram so I will see what gives with that.  I'm concerned about the black oxide wearing off in a pocket with keys. If its just going to get janked up no matter what maybe I should not spend the money and just get a wave and be happy.

http://www.txtoolcrafters.com/collections/ironwood-and-friends

Welcome Buck to the 

i like Wave better , cheaper and shinny 

[Obi1shinobee]

 

[Zed]

Personally i prefer the wave as slimmer plus cheaper,although ii still prefer the even slimmer older original wave 

[Obi1shinobee]

Personally i prefer the wave as slimmer plus cheaper,although ii still prefer the even slimmer older original wave 

remember u cant carry Wave 

[Inky]

I'd say the hook on the serrated blade is very useful, doesn't come open by mistake. The cap crimpers are a total waste of time unless you have some caps to crimp but they don't make too much difference either way. The real difference between the charge and wave are the materials (better on the charge s30v, titanium etc) if you're not bothered about things like that get the wave.

[AimlessWanderer]

I agree on the Wave! It's cheaper and slimmer, and I personally prefer the lack of crimper and gut hook.

[Zed]

Personally i prefer the wave as slimmer plus cheaper,although ii still prefer the even slimmer older original wave 

remember u cant carry Wave 

i know 

[Taxi Dad]

charge AL ?
I've recently up graded from a Wave to and AL, only a very slight (almost negligible IMHO) difference and not worth the price but I have no regrets

[buck]

So it looks like the Charge AL has the standard pliers and no gut hook whereas the ALX does.

Something else to consider

[Obi1shinobee]

Personally i prefer the wave as slimmer plus cheaper,although ii still prefer the even slimmer older original wave 

remember u cant carry Wave 

i know 

UK knife law 

[Obi1shinobee]

 

[av8r1]

Never saw why any of the Charge models sell at all while the Wave is available.  The TTi doesn't look twice as valuable as a Wave.

[Obi1shinobee]

i never like charge

[buck]

Everest edition Damascus scale charge from ttc.  Nice.  I still like the ironwood better I think.

How do the charge AL grips hold up in the pocket?  Doesn't the black anodizing get all scratched up?

What's a reblaster and a minisurge?

[Zed]

Yes the black wears off in time,the minisurge and reblaster are mods 

[buck]

A search for minisurge reveals:

What I have in mind is a mini Surge based on the Wave platform.
Replace Wave pliers with Rebar pliers
Replace Wave scissors with Rebar awl
Replace Wave file with Wingman scissors
Replace Wave PE blade with Charge S30V blade

No thanks, need a file.

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,51718.0.html

A search for reblaster reveals a littany of pimping drooling smilies scattered across umpteen threads and no useful links.

[Obi1shinobee]

Yes the black wears off in time,the minisurge and reblaster are mods 

[SteveC]

A search for minisurge reveals:

What I have in mind is a mini Surge based on the Wave platform.
Replace Wave pliers with Rebar pliers
Replace Wave scissors with Rebar awl
Replace Wave file with Wingman scissors
Replace Wave PE blade with Charge S30V blade

No thanks, need a file.

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,51718.0.html

A search for reblaster reveals a littany of pimping drooling smilies scattered across umpteen threads and no useful links.

 

[anditsgone]

The reason why i got the wave above the charge are that i don't use the extras on the charge and the sv30 blade steel doesn't really bother me.
I actually like the 420hc, it is a good beater blade steel, easy to regrind  the harm that i have done to it.
I don't know the pricing in your country but the charge is twice as expensive as the wave in Holland.
Only minus is that the wave doesn't come with pocket clip so i bought that one with the wave.
In quality or fit and finish the charge isn't really better or worse than the wave neither.

[zoidberg]

Is it worth the extra cost?
That really depends on how you value and use it.
I generally buy second hand because I think most models are expensive.

What I can tell you is that the TTi is awesome.
The texture on the scales has a great feel and adds grip.
The gut hook works very well and has never opened on it's own.
Having the CC has never been a problem for me in real world use.

Whether you get the Charge or Wave, the Rebar plier head is a nice upgrade.
Personally I would stay away from a model with the knurled fasteners.

[buck]

An explanation of "knurled fasteners"  would be appreciated as well as what models germane to the discussion have or don't have as well as why it should matter  A search turns up many rabbit holes but no definitive thread..

[zoidberg]

An explanation of "knurled fasteners"  would be appreciated as well as what models germane to the discussion have or don't have as well as why it should matter  A search turns up many rabbit holes but no definitive thread..

The pic you posted above with the damascus scales has knurled fasteners/pivot screws. A regular Charge TTi has torx head ones that are more rounded.

[Aloha]

I am a huge fan of the Wave and while I have both the Charge TTi and Ti ( retired ) I easily prefer the Wave for an everyday tool.  I cannot give you specific reason other than the blade steel and scales are not that important to me nor do I personally see paying double the cost over a Wave.

One thing to consider is buying a S30V blade and installing it onto a Wave.

[Obi1shinobee]

I am a huge fan of the Wave and while I have both the Charge TTi and Ti ( retired ) I easily prefer the Wave for an everyday tool.  I cannot give you specific reason other than the blade steel and scales are not that important to me nor do I personally see paying double the cost over a Wave.

One thing to consider is buying a S30V blade and installing it onto a Wave.

Preach it and turn the page

[Obi1shinobee]

A search for minisurge reveals:

What I have in mind is a mini Surge based on the Wave platform.
Replace Wave pliers with Rebar pliers
Replace Wave scissors with Rebar awl
Replace Wave file with Wingman scissors
Replace Wave PE blade with Charge S30V blade

No thanks, need a file.

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,51718.0.html

A search for reblaster reveals a littany of pimping drooling smilies scattered across umpteen threads and no useful links.

 

Make that double 

[Kampfer]

I like Wave more, cheaper and fits my hands better, but there are edges to be file down for comfort.
The serrated blade never open on its own.

[buck]

An explanation of "knurled fasteners"  would be appreciated as well as what models germane to the discussion have or don't have as well as why it should matter  A search turns up many rabbit holes but no definitive thread..

The pic you posted above with the damascus scales has knurled fasteners/pivot screws. A regular Charge TTi has torx head ones that are more rounded.

Much obliged.  They appear to be a feature of the charge AL(X).  So why should that be a deal breaker?

[Obi1shinobee]

I like Wave more, cheaper and fits my hands better, but there are edges to be file down for comfort.
The serrated blade never open on its own.

i can buy 4 wave for one charge

[Kampfer]

one charge on credit card?