More rivet pics.

[Spoonrobot]

I got one too!



The small flathead on the riveted model is the thinnest I have ever seen. I am amazed it hasn't been broken off, not even quite sure what one would do with it.


Note the space between the awl and the medium flathead on the riveted model (on the right.) I'm not sure what it's intended purpose is but it causes the knife blade to impact the handle when closing.




There is a fair bit of play in the knife blade when closed due to that washer. Maybe it's supposed to serve as an anti-clumping agent for the knife blade?




Due to the different outside plier-pivot designs the riveted model's handles sit quite a bit wider when closed than the knurled version.


Friction ramps, note the differences in finish. I am amazed at how far LTG has come in this department over the years. The riveted PST is full of obvious manufacturing marks that wouldn't be seen at all today.


I'm really glad I've added at least one type of this variant to my collection, thanks to all who have taken the time to input into this forum with information. It's a very interesting piece, historically speaking, and it is really interesting to note the differences and advances over the PST's production life.

[MultiMat]

Thanks for the pics Spoony & congrats mate, welcome to the Rivet club 

[tomcrx]

Spoonie

Is the difference between the friction ramps do to final finishing or were the old ones milled vs cast?

[prime77]

I am amazed at how far LTG has come in this department over the years. The riveted PST is full of obvious manufacturing marks that wouldn't be seen at all today.

That was my reaction when I first opened the package containing my riveted PST.

[Spoonrobot]

As near as I can tell the riveted model plier head is cast too. The difference looks to be due to the different styles of pliers combined with different finish quality. The riveted style appears to be more circular with flat spots rough ground in to keep the start of increasing tension at the right spot.

There are numerous other obvious grind marks, it was just that the easiest ones to photo were on the ramps.

[Benner]

Looks like you have picked up a realy good example there Spoon. 

[J-sews]

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The awl on the riveted tools are interesting. The notched area was cut out on a milling machine - a relatively slow and tedious process. The end result is an awl that functions just fine, but it must have been a real chore to produce 300,000 of them.

[Poncho65]

That would have not been a very fun job Thanks for the pics Spoon as usual top notch pics and review Also a very pretty PST The reason the riveted version is not as finished could be due to the fact that they were Japan made and not made in Portland possibly still a mighty fine example of a mighty fine tool

[Smitty44]

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The awl on the riveted tools are interesting. The notched area was cut out on a milling machine - a relatively slow and tedious process. The end result is an awl that functions just fine, but it must have been a real chore to produce 300,000 of them.

The awl on his riveted tool is the same awl that I have on my Cabela's 83 model,maybe they got the awls,and other parts from Tim??

[MultiMat]

As near as I can tell the riveted model plier head is cast too. The difference looks to be due to the different styles of pliers combined with different finish quality. The riveted style appears to be more circular with flat spots rough ground in to keep the start of increasing tension at the right spot.

There are numerous other obvious grind marks, it was just that the easiest ones to photo were on the ramps.

I think you are right on the knocker Spoony . One side of my tool is particularly roughly finished & consequently quite a bit harder too open than the other side.                                                                                http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll287/multimat426/multitools/S6300459.jpg[/img]]                              Hard side to open.                                                                                                                                                      http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll287/multimat426/multitools/S6300461.jpg[/img]]                       Smooth side to open.

[MultiMat]

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The awl on the riveted tools are interesting. The notched area was cut out on a milling machine - a relatively slow and tedious process. The end result is an awl that functions just fine, but it must have been a real chore to produce 300,000 of them.

The awl on his riveted tool is the same awl that I have on my Cabela's 83 model,maybe they got the awls,and other parts from Tim??

Some more comparisons between Riveted Awl & 2004 PST.                                                                                 http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll287/multimat426/multitools/S6300469.jpg[/img]]                         Riveted Awl                                                                                                                                                http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll287/multimat426/multitools/S6300483.jpg[/img]]

[ringzero]

The small flathead on the riveted model is the thinnest I have ever seen. I am amazed it hasn't been broken off, not even quite sure what one would do with it.

One thing I've done with it is using it for tightening eyeglass screws.  Just tried it on some sunglasses and it works fine, but is slightly awkward due to the fact that it's attached to a relatively heavy, bulky multitool.

In the past I've used it for adjustments on trimpots (small screw adjustable potentiometers) and similar gizmos on circuit boards.  Nowhere near as good as a jeweler's screwdriver, but it'll usually work in a pinch.

Be careful with that little screwdriver as mine is quite sharp.  Just stuck my thumb while closing it.

Note the space between the awl and the medium flathead on the riveted model (on the right.) I'm not sure what it's intended purpose is but it causes the knife blade to impact the handle when closing.

There is a fair bit of play in the knife blade when closed due to that washer. Maybe it's supposed to serve as an anti-clumping agent for the knife blade?

Mine isn't like that - hardly any space.

The awl ALWAYS comes out clumped with the knife blade - which is very awkward and when using the blade it requires care to close the awl without cutting yourself.

The blade on mine has very little play and never contacts the handle.

The awl on my riveted, made in Japan model isn't anything like yours.  My awl looks nearly identical to the awl in the pics of your knurled screw model.

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[J-sews]

Y'know, back a couple months ago, these riveted PST's got no special attention on eBay and generally fetched prices in the $20 range or so.  But then we started talking about them and posting pictures and such, and the going price has climbed steadily. First $40, then $60 or $70.

Now today this one here sells for $133.50!!

Link = http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190243964438










Note to self: Next time before discussing any old or rare items, make sure to buy up a whole bunch of them first!

[Grant Lamontagne]

You and me both...

Def

[MultiMat]

I was very conscious when asking sellers details about the PST's they were selling re the type of rivets . I was thinking do I want to let these people know there is a type of PST that is potentially highly collectible  .There is one seller of NIB Sideclips on Ebay that picked up a bunch of them for around $20us-$50us from a Texas seller who only posted to US buyers  & he is now on selling them for $76us. I know it is a free market but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth when profiteering occurs. Bob that seller did a good job with their photos the rivets are clearly visible , I wonder how long before sellers list them as a "Riveted PST" for sale, I have yet to see a seller do this . I am bloody stoked with my $27us ripper
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Not wanting too gloat at all though   

[appletree_man]

I was just thinking I'd love one of those riveted, big lettering, PSTs, but for $133 No way 

[Poncho65]

I was just thinking I'd love one of those riveted, big lettering, PSTs, but for $133 No way 

  same here but that price is crazy

we single handedly raised the price of the riveted PST but now none of us can afford one

 

[J-sews]

I was very conscious when asking sellers details about the PST's they were selling re the type of rivets . I was thinking do I want to let these people know there is a type of PST that is potentially highly collectible  .There is one seller of NIB Sideclips on Ebay that picked up a bunch of them for around $20us-$50us from a Texas seller who only posted to US buyers  & he is now on selling them for $76us. I know it is a free market but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth when profiteering occurs. Bob that seller did a good job with their photos the rivets are clearly visible , I wonder how long before sellers list them as a "Riveted PST" for sale, I have yet to see a seller do this . I am bloody stoked with my $27us ripper
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll287/multimat426/multitools/e1d0ac33.jpg[/img]]
Not wanting too gloat at all though   

Fine job of restraining yourself there Mat.....

[J-sews]

I was just thinking I'd love one of those riveted, big lettering, PSTs, but for $133 No way 

  same here but that price is crazy

we single handedly raised the price of the riveted PST but now none of us can afford one

 

Arghh! Our own tremendous powers have worked against us!

[appletree_man]

There's always the markets and junk stores, Glasgow Barras here I come 

[DaveK]

Apologies for dragging up an old thread, but I've a theory to test....

Spoonrobot - Does the blade tang on your PST say "Leatherman Japan"?

Multimat - does yours say simply, "Leatherman"?

[MultiMat]

King of the Rivets , you are right, my blade tang has "Leatherman" on it.
Mat.

[DaveK]

  thanks Mat.

Whilst we're waiting for Spoony, have a look at the pics on the first page of this thread and see if you can "spot the difference"

[MultiMat]

thanks Mat.

Whilst we're waiting for Spoony, have a look at the pics on the first page of this thread and see if you can "spot the difference"

Models with "Leatherman Japan" on their blade tangs have solid rivets , not hollow at one end like my one??
BTW Dave do any of your 4 jewels have the rough finish on the leg of the pliers.Like my one, pics on 1st page of this post.

[DaveK]

Mat - one of my new ones has solid rivets front and back, but says "Leatherman" only on the blade tang. There's something else there - it's all on page 1

All of the pliers have a slightly rougher finish to them (as compared to the later models), but they all open very easily. I.e. there are no real obstructions, but there's a definite "texture" to them.

[MultiMat]

OK I think I have it Riveted PST's with just Leatherman on their blade tang have US REG'D TM 1325473 & Spoony's model which you think has "Leatherman Japan" on the blade tang does not have the US , before the REG'D TM 1325473. Dave you need to join the eagle eye club along with Dunc & Bob

[DaveK]

OK I think I have it Riveted PST's with just Leatherman on their blade tang have US REG'D TM 1325473 & Spoony's model which you think has "Leatherman Japan" on the blade tang does not have the US , before the REG'D TM 1325473. Dave you need to join the eagle eye club along with Dunc & Bob

You got it!

[Poncho65]

Man Dave is becoming the new connoisseur of PSTs

I guess it is because he has so many of them

[DaveK]

Man Dave is becoming the new connoisseur of PSTs

I guess it is because he has so many of them

No no no no noooooooooo.....

Just something that I noticed on my own tools and looking through the chronology thread - my knowledge is very limited as shown in that thread just now!

[joebw]

Hi MultiMat,

I have to disagree with your statement that PST's with the hollow rivets don't have "Leatherman Japan" on the blade tang.  The one I have does have "Leatherman Japan" on the blade tang.

Cheers - Joe