Do Great Eastern Cutlery and Rough Rider make traditional knives

dks · **on:** November 22, 2015, 04:38:37 PM

just thinking...

comis · **Reply #1 on:** November 22, 2015, 04:41:45 PM

I would say they do, to some degree. I think the answer also depends on how long do a certain pattern/style has to be existed to be considered "traditional", or is the term 'traditional' implies more use of natural material/hand made?

AimlessWanderer · **Reply #2 on:** November 22, 2015, 04:46:19 PM

They certainly make traditional pattern knives (trapper, stockman, etc). I couldn't comment whether they make them in a traditional way

Corwyn · **Reply #3 on:** November 22, 2015, 04:49:54 PM

Honestly mate, I know what you're hinting at, but it's not working.

They make traditional style pattern slipjoint.

They don't make American Scout Knives. Just like somebody else makes a generic multifunction knife.
Plus the whole traddy mess can't be solved with country locations... look at Schrade, Colt, Buck, Cold Steel even Rough Rider. What companies are they? Are they American? Are they Chinese? Does it matter?
If you want to be a stickler ask if anyone apart Case makes a Stockman?
Or ask if eiither Taylor Brands or Canal Street can claim to be making Schrades...

And by the way... I have asked the same question as you did to the Traddy pros:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1299279-American-Traditional-Slipjoints-what-to-look-for

dks · **Reply #4 on:** November 22, 2015, 04:51:53 PM

50, GEC sort of does, but I doubt RR do that.

They both rely a lot on machinery, but GEC uses human operators..

Corwin, you posted in another forum

AimlessWanderer · **Reply #5 on:** November 22, 2015, 04:59:27 PM

Quote from: dks on November 22, 2015, 04:51:53 PM

50, GEC sort of does, but I doubt RR do that.

They both rely a lot on machinery, but GEC uses human operators..

Corwin, you posted in another forum

Corwyn · **Reply #6 on:** November 22, 2015, 05:00:56 PM

Quote from: dks on November 22, 2015, 04:51:53 PM

Corwin, you posted in another forum

Lol... you caught me there

Honestly I registered there on a task and my third post happened to be at a giveaway... which I won

So I was too embarassed not post ocassionally some more

dks · **Reply #7 on:** November 22, 2015, 05:07:14 PM

Every time I got to BF I end up buying something...

Corwyn · **Reply #8 on:** November 22, 2015, 05:28:09 PM

Quote from: dks on November 22, 2015, 05:07:14 PM

Every time I got to BF I end up buying something...

I tried to get a Dragonfly, a Paramilitary and a Kershaw Leek from there for almost 2 months before giving up... either they were getting snatched in a second, or the sellers would only ship to US $:-\$

SAK Guy · **Reply #9 on:** November 22, 2015, 05:46:54 PM

Yes they do, but a Swiza still ain't a SAK.....

dks · **Reply #10 on:** November 22, 2015, 05:51:36 PM

Quote from: SAK Guy on November 22, 2015, 05:46:54 PM

Yes they do, but a Swiza still ain't a SAK.....

so it does not SAK

I remember BF a few years ago... RR was a no-no

SAK Guy · **Reply #11 on:** November 22, 2015, 06:53:39 PM

Quote from: dks on November 22, 2015, 05:51:36 PM

Quote from: SAK Guy on November 22, 2015, 05:46:54 PM
Yes they do, but a Swiza still ain't a SAK.....

so it does not SAK

I remember BF a few years ago... RR was a no-no

LOL!

I remember that and you couldn't even say a knife was from China or you got a PM from a mod that you were being political. I called a knife "Paki made" (made in Pakistan) and was told that was a derogatory term. It's just a different way to run a board...I have no prob with it but you really have think about how you refer to things.

dks · **Reply #12 on:** November 22, 2015, 07:03:32 PM

SRM, the Byrd line, RR, buck etc have really changed the attitude in BF. I remember when any thread on SRM would be moved/hidden in the What's new subforum, so that the main forums would stay "pure".

even the new schrade is now discussed.

AimlessWanderer · **Reply #13 on:** November 22, 2015, 07:20:20 PM

I don't think we should lump the question of the Swiza knives classification as a SAK with views on the quality of the product or design. I think that whether it is a SAK, and whether it is a good product, are two separate queries and the answer to one should not affect the answer to the other.

I don't think they should fall under the banner of SAK. I cannot comment as to quality, but it's not a design that appeals to me. If they produce another line of knives that were more to my liking, that doesn't make them any more of a SAK

I think there is a marked difference between the traditional slippies made by Rough Rider and the likes of Queen Cutlery or Case (never owned a GEC). The RR feels like a lighter use knife, and doesn't feel like it will outlast the user as some other companies knives do. That's not to say I think they are a bad knife though. I don't. They're good knives for the money. They'll return on the investment in terms of work done, but you just might have an excuse to buy a new knife sooner.

dks · **Reply #14 on:** November 22, 2015, 07:24:35 PM

Get a RR scout (or SAK, as it should be classed now

) they feel seriously hefty/solid

AimlessWanderer · **Reply #15 on:** November 22, 2015, 07:40:45 PM

There's two on Heinnies:

http://www.heinnie.com/rough-rider-mini-scout-jigged-bone

http://www.heinnie.com/rough-rider-camp-knife

Are you referring to one of these? I'll just be taking your word for it though, as I've got too many as it is

dks · **Reply #16 on:** November 22, 2015, 07:46:04 PM

yes, the 2nd, large, one.
the price looks OK.
I got two from ebay a few years ago, for around $15 in total shipped, when the dollar was lower.

AimlessWanderer · **Reply #17 on:** November 22, 2015, 07:48:41 PM

I vaguely remember you doing a write up on them

dks · **Reply #18 on:** November 22, 2015, 07:51:24 PM

the marlin spike model is also part of the same, solid, range

SAK Guy · **Reply #19 on:** November 22, 2015, 07:59:39 PM

Quote from: dks on November 22, 2015, 07:03:32 PM

SRM, the Byrd line, RR, buck etc have really changed the attitude in BF. I remember when any thread on SRM would be moved/hidden in the What's new subforum, so that the main forums would stay "pure".

even the new schrade is now discussed.

Yes, today as a matter of fact.

dks · **Reply #20 on:** November 22, 2015, 08:12:58 PM

thanks for the information

and nobody got killed

they have been getting better.

the old ones were really, really bad.

Corwyn · **Reply #21 on:** November 22, 2015, 08:31:39 PM

Let me tell you a bigger sacrilege... I find RR to be more traditional in a way than American ones... why? Look at the materials... RR uses lots of MOP, abalone, bone, horn, wood, stag while the Americans drown in Delrin and acryllic.

Maybe it's just an illusion, as I generally look for the cheaper models, or maybe the Chinese couldn't give a rice's shell about using tortoise, ivory, dodo-bird beak or whatever....

SAK Guy · **Reply #22 on:** November 22, 2015, 09:31:21 PM

Quote from: Corwyn on November 22, 2015, 08:31:39 PM

Let me tell you a bigger sacrilege... I find RR to be more traditional in a way than American ones... why? Look at the materials... RR uses lots of MOP, abalone, bone, horn, wood, stag while the Americans drown in Delrin and acryllic.

Maybe it's just an illusion, as I generally look for the cheaper models, or maybe the Chinese couldn't give a rice's shell about using tortoise, ivory, dodo-bird beak or whatever....

GEC Case and other American companies still use lots traditional handle scales on their higher end knives. Some examples from my collection.

GEC 23 Pioneers in Garnet Jigged bone and Burnt Stag

GEC Beer Scout in Sawcut Chestnut Bone

GEC Gun Scout in Brazilian Blood Wood

Case Texas Jack in Chestnut Bone

Schatt and Morgan Heritage in Ebony wood