I am in a pickle.

[Kampfer]

I have a close friend who is an Attorney in state of illinois, I asked for some free advices, he should get back to me tomorrow.

[Etherealicer]

So isn't receiving a knife like this also illegal? If they illegally shipped it then it is there illegally and no protection exists. Or does that not exist in your law system?
Something  acquired illegally is always illegal?

In this case no. How the law is written you can in fact own one in the confines of your own home. How you get it there may possibly have been illegal, but once the knife is in your home nothing is illegal about it.

Or you could have gotten it before it became illegal.

Knifes and guns don't expire quickly. Here, many have their grandfathers knifes and rifles (including the service-rifle).
e.g. Butterfly knifes became illegal in Switzerland in 2001 but many people owned one at that time
Legal to own and have at home
Illegal to sell, carry, buy, ship etc...

[captain spaulding]

So isn't receiving a knife like this also illegal? If they illegally shipped it then it is there illegally and no protection exists. Or does that not exist in your law system?
Something  acquired illegally is always illegal?

In this case no. How the law is written you can in fact own one in the confines of your own home. How you get it there may possibly have been illegal, but once the knife is in your home nothing is illegal about it.

Or you could have gotten it before it became illegal.

Knifes and guns don't expire quickly. Here, many have their grandfathers knifes and rifles (including the service-rifle).
e.g. Butterfly knifes became illegal in Switzerland in 2001 but many people owned one at that time
Legal to own and have at home
Illegal to sell, carry, buy, ship etc...

My point exactly. No one knows how/when you recieved the knife and you never have to volunteer information to incriminate yourself.

[LoopCutter]

Why not have the seller create a pre-paid shipping label with his name as the sender and the receiver.   EMAIL it to you.  You affix to the package and then drop at a FedEx, Office Depot or such location that handle packages.   
My wife does this all the time with Zappos, even though her name and info is on the label never is she asked provide ID.


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[captain spaulding]

Why not have the seller create a pre-paid shipping label with his name as the sender and the receiver.   EMAIL it to you.  You affix to the package and then drop at a FedEx, Office Depot or such location that handle packages.   
My wife does this all the time with Zappos, even though her name and info is on the label never is she asked provide ID.


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That would still be illegal.

[Kampfer]

I have a close friend who is an Attorney in state of illinois, I asked for some free advices, he should get back to me tomorrow.

Finally heard from my friend, based on his freebie advice, I could take one the the following action;
A. Keep it at home as collector piece.
B. Surrender it to local police
C. Shorten the blade to 1.9" to become a California legal switchblade
D. Remove its spring, so it is no longer a switchblade.

[jzmtl]

I have a close friend who is an Attorney in state of illinois, I asked for some free advices, he should get back to me tomorrow.

Finally heard from my friend, based on his freebie advice, I could take one the the following action;
A. Keep it at home as collector piece.
B. Surrender it to local police
C. Shorten the blade to 1.9" to become a California legal switchblade
D. Remove its spring, so it is no longer a switchblade.

If D is an option, then you can simply remove the spring before you sell/ship it, it wouldn't be a switchblade anymore and no longer subjected to any restriction. Spring of course can be sent later, or in the same package.

But if I were you I'd take A, I'm sure you have another knife or two to use outside home.

[captain spaulding]

I have a close friend who is an Attorney in state of illinois, I asked for some free advices, he should get back to me tomorrow.

Finally heard from my friend, based on his freebie advice, I could take one the the following action;
A. Keep it at home as collector piece.
B. Surrender it to local police
C. Shorten the blade to 1.9" to become a California legal switchblade
D. Remove its spring, so it is no longer a switchblade.

If D is an option, then you can simply remove the spring before you sell/ship it, it wouldn't be a switchblade anymore and no longer subjected to any restriction. Spring of course can be sent later, or in the same package.

But if I were you I'd take A, I'm sure you have another knife or two to use outside home.

Very good point. This does not help in returning it though as I doubt they would take a disassembled knife back. He can take the spring out and send it to me though. 

[HarleyXJGuy]

I have a close friend who is an Attorney in state of illinois, I asked for some free advices, he should get back to me tomorrow.

Finally heard from my friend, based on his freebie advice, I could take one the the following action;
A. Keep it at home as collector piece.
B. Surrender it to local police
C. Shorten the blade to 1.9" to become a California legal switchblade
D. Remove its spring, so it is no longer a switchblade.

If D is an option, then you can simply remove the spring before you sell/ship it, it wouldn't be a switchblade anymore and no longer subjected to any restriction. Spring of course can be sent later, or in the same package.

But if I were you I'd take A, I'm sure you have another knife or two to use outside home.

Very good point. This does not help in returning it though as I doubt they would take a disassembled knife back. He can take the spring out and send it to me though. 

Sigh, California.

[captain spaulding]

I have a close friend who is an Attorney in state of illinois, I asked for some free advices, he should get back to me tomorrow.

Finally heard from my friend, based on his freebie advice, I could take one the the following action;
A. Keep it at home as collector piece.
B. Surrender it to local police
C. Shorten the blade to 1.9" to become a California legal switchblade
D. Remove its spring, so it is no longer a switchblade.

If D is an option, then you can simply remove the spring before you sell/ship it, it wouldn't be a switchblade anymore and no longer subjected to any restriction. Spring of course can be sent later, or in the same package.

But if I were you I'd take A, I'm sure you have another knife or two to use outside home.

Very good point. This does not help in returning it though as I doubt they would take a disassembled knife back. He can take the spring out and send it to me though. 

Sigh, California.

With the exception of switchblades our knife laws are actually much better than most.

[HarleyXJGuy]

I have a close friend who is an Attorney in state of illinois, I asked for some free advices, he should get back to me tomorrow.

Finally heard from my friend, based on his freebie advice, I could take one the the following action;
A. Keep it at home as collector piece.
B. Surrender it to local police
C. Shorten the blade to 1.9" to become a California legal switchblade
D. Remove its spring, so it is no longer a switchblade.

If D is an option, then you can simply remove the spring before you sell/ship it, it wouldn't be a switchblade anymore and no longer subjected to any restriction. Spring of course can be sent later, or in the same package.

But if I were you I'd take A, I'm sure you have another knife or two to use outside home.

Very good point. This does not help in returning it though as I doubt they would take a disassembled knife back. He can take the spring out and send it to me though. 

Sigh, California.

With the exception of switchblades our knife laws are actually much better than most.

Yeah you have said that before.

Mostly my issues with California revolve around the gun laws.

[captain spaulding]

I have a close friend who is an Attorney in state of illinois, I asked for some free advices, he should get back to me tomorrow.

Finally heard from my friend, based on his freebie advice, I could take one the the following action;
A. Keep it at home as collector piece.
B. Surrender it to local police
C. Shorten the blade to 1.9" to become a California legal switchblade
D. Remove its spring, so it is no longer a switchblade.

If D is an option, then you can simply remove the spring before you sell/ship it, it wouldn't be a switchblade anymore and no longer subjected to any restriction. Spring of course can be sent later, or in the same package.

But if I were you I'd take A, I'm sure you have another knife or two to use outside home.

Very good point. This does not help in returning it though as I doubt they would take a disassembled knife back. He can take the spring out and send it to me though. 

Sigh, California.

With the exception of switchblades our knife laws are actually much better than most.

Yeah you have said that before.

Mostly my issues with California revolve around the gun laws.

I know this all to well my friend. It's unconstitutional in my opinion, but that's all I will say on that.

[Aloha]

Interesting options.

I'd contact the seller and see if they would accept the knife disassembled.

If not then would it be possible to shorten the blade without effecting operation?

It's a cool looking knife but not being able to carry or use is kinda boring. 

[Etherealicer]

Did you ever bother to ask local law enforcement. It is hard for me to imagine that they won't allow you to send it back to the vendor, after all you got it by mistake.

[Kampfer]

Did you ever bother to ask local law enforcement.

No...not a good idea. What if they decided to confiscate it?

It is hard for me to imagine that they won't allow you to send it back to the vendor, after all you got it by mistake.

I know but there are plenty of laws in California makes no sense what so ever.

[Etherealicer]

Did you ever bother to ask local law enforcement.

No...not a good idea. What if they decided to confiscate it?

It is hard for me to imagine that they won't allow you to send it back to the vendor, after all you got it by mistake.

I know but there are plenty of laws in California makes no sense what so ever.

That does not seem very cooperative, very sad.

However, that should not be your problem but the Vendors, you are in trouble because he made a mistake not you. They confiscate it, you get a receipt, send the receipt to the vendor. That should be as good as returning the knife.

[HarleyXJGuy]

Did you ever bother to ask local law enforcement. It is hard for me to imagine that they won't allow you to send it back to the vendor, after all you got it by mistake.

How would law enforcement know he got it by mistake?

Easier to just confiscate it.

[captain spaulding]

Did you ever bother to ask local law enforcement.

No...not a good idea. What if they decided to confiscate it?

It is hard for me to imagine that they won't allow you to send it back to the vendor, after all you got it by mistake.

I know but there are plenty of laws in California makes no sense what so ever.

That does not seem very cooperative, very sad.

However, that should not be your problem but the Vendors, you are in trouble because he made a mistake not you. They confiscate it, you get a receipt, send the receipt to the vendor. That should be as good as returning the knife.

No, no, no. Doesn't work like that and on top of that if they did confiscate it they could and would charge you with a misdemeanor crime as well and you would be in jail.

[Etherealicer]

Did you ever bother to ask local law enforcement. It is hard for me to imagine that they won't allow you to send it back to the vendor, after all you got it by mistake.

How would law enforcement know he got it by mistake?

Easier to just confiscate it.

Your order should document that.

[HarleyXJGuy]

Did you ever bother to ask local law enforcement. It is hard for me to imagine that they won't allow you to send it back to the vendor, after all you got it by mistake.

How would law enforcement know he got it by mistake?

Easier to just confiscate it.

Your order should document that.

His order was for a different knife then the one he recieved though.

[Etherealicer]

Did you ever bother to ask local law enforcement. It is hard for me to imagine that they won't allow you to send it back to the vendor, after all you got it by mistake.

How would law enforcement know he got it by mistake?

Easier to just confiscate it.

Your order should document that.

His order was for a different knife then the one he recieved though.

And communication with the Vendor.

Besides, if they don't believe your story, they would have to proof otherwise (that sounds like much more work).

[jzmtl]

And communication with the Vendor.

Besides, if they don't believe your story, they would have to proof otherwise (that sounds like much more work).

They don't, the police would just charge and arrest you, and you have to spend your life savings to prove otherwise.

[Kampfer]

We are not living in a perfect world, where police knows every law in the book...

In fact if they sense something is illegal or dangerous, they would just confiscate it and make arrest, let the DA put together a case.

[dks]

Just go to a police station, with the blade out so that they will see that you are not hiding something,  making sure that you wave the knife around so that they will see that you are not carrying a gun or something suspicious, saying loudly that "If you help me we will all be OK" and they will assist you with that problem.

Wearing a military uniform and having camouflage paint on your face will also earn their respect and encourage them to take you seriously.

[Aloha]

Just go to a police station, with the blade out so that they will see that you are not hiding something,  making sure that you wave the knife around so that they will see that you are not carrying a gun or something suspicious, saying loudly that "If you help me we will all be OK" and they will assist you with that problem.

Wearing a military uniform and having camouflage paint on your face will also earn their respect and encourage them to take you seriously.

 

 

[Kampfer]

I took the knife a part and shipped it off to the seller for a refund.
Now it could be illegal for him putting it back together, but that is not my problem anymore.

[Aloha]

I took the knife a part and shipped it off to the seller for a refund.
Now it could be illegal for him putting it back together, but that is not my problem anymore.

Thats a great solution.  Hope you can get the knife you actually ordered 

[Kampfer]

I took the knife a part and shipped it off to the seller for a refund.
Now it could be illegal for him putting it back together, but that is not my problem anymore.

Thats a great solution.  Hope you can get the knife you actually ordered 

I am going to get it from someone else.

[Mike]

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