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Old File New File Question
on: May 03, 2016, 03:34:50 PM
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Fine and coarse sides have been reversed: Nail-nick side: Fine side on the old, coarse on the new. Other side: Coarse on old file, fine on the new.

True or false?

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Re: Old File New File Question
Reply #1 on: May 03, 2016, 03:48:43 PM
On which tool ?
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Re: Old File New File Question
Reply #2 on: May 03, 2016, 03:51:34 PM

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Re: Old File New File Question
Reply #3 on: May 03, 2016, 04:32:09 PM
Beats me. I don't have any of the newer one. Newest I have is an old school CT41.

That's us mobile

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Re: Old File New File Question
Reply #4 on: May 03, 2016, 05:37:09 PM
Quote from: zoidberg on May 03, 2016, 03:34:50 PM
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Fine and coarse sides have been reversed: Nail-nick side: Fine side on the old, coarse on the new. Other side: Coarse on old file, fine on the new.

True or false?

True...

The nail nick side seems more coarse on the new one but I can barely tell the difference....both are fairly aggressive.
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Re: Old File New File Question
Reply #5 on: May 03, 2016, 06:37:42 PM
So that means the file on my custom Hungry Ranfer is the old style.... its pretty aggressive already. Your telling me the new file is even more agressive? Impressive
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Re: Old File New File Question
Reply #6 on: May 03, 2016, 06:55:42 PM
They make a wonderful file in the 91 mm range :cheers: I just wished they had it on more of their tools :tu:
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Re: Old File New File Question
Reply #7 on: May 04, 2016, 12:58:25 AM
I only have the gen 2 (1975?-1990?) and gen 3 (1990?-2005?) within reach at the moment, both nail nick fine sided.

Have they changed it for gen 4 (2005?-now) and why?

What's the deal?
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Re: Old File New File Question
Reply #8 on: May 05, 2016, 08:29:20 AM
Come on people.   :pok:   :pok:

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Re: Old File New File Question
Reply #9 on: May 05, 2016, 08:42:57 AM
Quote from: zoidberg on May 04, 2016, 12:58:25 AM
I only have the gen 2 (1975?-1990?) and gen 3 (1990?-2005?) within reach at the moment, both nail nick fine sided.

Have they changed it for gen 4 (2005?-now) and why?

What's the deal?

Jazzbass is the guy to ask.....
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Re: Old File New File Question
Reply #10 on: May 05, 2016, 09:00:01 AM
Quote from: SAK Guy on May 05, 2016, 08:42:57 AM
Quote from: zoidberg on May 04, 2016, 12:58:25 AM
I only have the gen 2 (1975?-1990?) and gen 3 (1990?-2005?) within reach at the moment, both nail nick fine sided.

Have they changed it for gen 4 (2005?-now) and why?

What's the deal?

Jazzbass is the guy to ask.....

Aye yeah I could bug him or a few others here.
Could even walk down the back and take a look myself.
Just thought it would be quicker to ask here given that it is the most popular and frequented board.
However, aside from your good self, it would appear that nobody else has the newer file.
Well that or they just don't give a smurf.

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Re: Old File New File Question
Reply #11 on: May 05, 2016, 02:25:09 PM
I did pick up my Troubleshooter mod with the new file this morning so could have told you, except I decided not to put it in my pocket. :facepalm:

I'll have a look tonight. :cheers:
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Re: Old File New File Question
Reply #12 on: May 05, 2016, 02:39:25 PM
Haha, thanks mate.   :cheers:

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Re: Old File New File Question
Reply #13 on: May 05, 2016, 02:55:41 PM
Looked at my Mountaineer, and.....I'm reversing myself. Both sides feel virtually the same but the nick side appears (in the sunlight) to have "teeth" that are infinitesimally closer together....so the orig statement would be false (today at 7:53 CST)  :facepalm:
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Re: Old File New File Question
Reply #14 on: May 05, 2016, 03:14:24 PM
Quote from: SAK Guy on May 05, 2016, 02:55:41 PM
Looked at my Mountaineer, and.....I'm reversing myself. Both sides feel virtually the same but the nick side appears (in the sunlight) to have "teeth" that are infinitesimally closer together....so the orig statement would be false (today at 7:53 CST)  :facepalm:

Thank you for the update.   :cheers:

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Re: Old File New File Question
Reply #15 on: May 05, 2016, 04:50:17 PM
Quote from: zoidberg on May 05, 2016, 03:14:24 PM
Quote from: SAK Guy on May 05, 2016, 02:55:41 PM
Looked at my Mountaineer, and.....I'm reversing myself. Both sides feel virtually the same but the nick side appears (in the sunlight) to have "teeth" that are infinitesimally closer together....so the orig statement would be false (today at 7:53 CST)  :facepalm:

Thank you for the update.   :cheers:

 :salute: I forgot to add that the Mountaineer is a new one (new file)...  :facepalm:
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Re: Old File New File Question
Reply #16 on: May 05, 2016, 09:06:33 PM
Quote from: SAK Guy on May 05, 2016, 02:55:41 PM
Looked at my Mountaineer, and.....I'm reversing myself. Both sides feel virtually the same but the nick side appears (in the sunlight) to have "teeth" that are infinitesimally closer together....so the orig statement would be false (today at 7:53 CST)  :facepalm:

He's right (this time around ;) ) - the nail nick side is finer than the other. They're both double-cut files, but the nail nick side has teeth that are closer together.
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Re: Old File New File Question
Reply #17 on: May 06, 2016, 04:08:20 AM
Quote from: SAK Guy on May 05, 2016, 02:55:41 PM
the nick side appears (in the sunlight) to have "teeth" that are infinitesimally closer together

What does this mean?
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Re: Old File New File Question
Reply #18 on: May 06, 2016, 04:24:37 AM
Quote from: hiraethus on May 05, 2016, 09:06:33 PM
the nail nick side is finer than the other.

yes, on the older file. The new file is reversed.

Quote from: hiraethus on May 05, 2016, 09:06:33 PM
They're both double-cut files, but the nail nick side has teeth that are closer together.
The old file is double cut, and you can see that very clearly. There are cuts going both / and \
and the ridges in between are all equal in size. It's perfectly symmetrical.

The new file is, for lack of a better word, weird. It is single-cut, but it does not stop there.
There are definite cuts going to one direction, which gives the impression of a single-cut file.
However, there is a second cut, towards the other direction, and it does create a double-cut file, but the second cut is so thin, it makes people wonder what they're looking at.



Is this a double-cut file? Well, it's not a single cut, so we might as well call it double.


Also, how many files are there? It seems that every other person has a different one.
This seems to be complicating things.

My SwissChamp has a stainless steel file, and is nail-nick rough sided.
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Re: Old File New File Question
Reply #19 on: May 06, 2016, 08:01:15 AM
Quote from: ReamerPunch on May 06, 2016, 04:08:20 AM
Quote from: SAK Guy on May 05, 2016, 02:55:41 PM
the nick side appears (in the sunlight) to have "teeth" that are infinitesimally closer together

What does this mean?

The cut grooves are closer together.
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Re: Old File New File Question
Reply #20 on: May 06, 2016, 08:10:41 AM
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the nick side appears (in the sunlight) to have "teeth" that are infinitesimally closer together

What does this mean?

The cut grooves are closer together.

Is it fine or rough?
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Re: Old File New File Question
Reply #21 on: May 06, 2016, 09:04:48 AM
Quote from: ReamerPunch on May 06, 2016, 08:10:41 AM
Quote from: SAK Guy on May 06, 2016, 08:01:15 AM
Quote from: ReamerPunch on May 06, 2016, 04:08:20 AM
Quote from: SAK Guy on May 05, 2016, 02:55:41 PM
the nick side appears (in the sunlight) to have "teeth" that are infinitesimally closer together

What does this mean?

The cut grooves are closer together.

Is it fine or rough?

Both sides feel rough (esp compared to the older files)  but the nail nick side feels less rough....so I guess it's the "fine" side.
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Re: Old File New File Question
Reply #22 on: May 06, 2016, 09:08:04 AM
My file is new and the nail nick side is rough.
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Re: Old File New File Question
Reply #23 on: May 06, 2016, 10:22:56 AM
Stock SwissChamp, purchased S/H last year.  Has the newest magnifier with clear frame and glass lens, so 2013 or later.
Nail nick side:

Reverse:


Looking down at the spine.  Nail nick side on top.

The nail nick side's teeth are clearly closer spaced.

FWIW, I have 8 SAKs with this same file design: Craftsman, XLT, SwissChamp and five mods (all with files taken from more recent knives).
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Re: Old File New File Question
Reply #24 on: May 06, 2016, 10:37:40 AM
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The nail nick side's teeth are clearly closer spaced.

Is it rougher than the other side?
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Re: Old File New File Question
Reply #25 on: May 06, 2016, 10:40:09 AM
No.
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Re: Old File New File Question
Reply #26 on: May 06, 2016, 03:17:53 PM
Thanks for the pics hiraethus!  They show what I was struggling (apparently) to explain!! :cheers:
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Re: Old File New File Question
Reply #27 on: May 06, 2016, 06:02:50 PM
Thanks Hirathus. That I definitely not what my file looks like, I guess I have the old style on my Hungry Ranger
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Re: Old File New File Question
Reply #28 on: May 07, 2016, 09:38:40 PM
On the new file the nail nick side is finer than the non nick side.
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