Help ID older SAK!

[JasonJ]

I inherited this SAK from my late father... I am fairly certain he purchased it new (I know he bought it new) sometime between 1968 when he enlisted in the Marines and went to 'Nam, and 1982 when I was born... lol.  I just don't know when or what. 

I THINK it is a Pioneer, based on all the posts here, and wiki's, etc.  He must have done some prying and snapped the tip of the blade off (any ideas on how best to regrind the blade?).  It's red ALOX, obviously, pictures inserted below.  It's dirty, a little stiff, but otherwise in good shape.  It has brass spacers/washer in both ends.

Any help on identifying the exact model and a date/year range of manufacture would be awesome! 

[SteveC]

Nice one JJ !   

 Yes, it's a old cross Pioneer, Give it a bath is hot soapy dishwater and work the tools open and closed to get all the gunk out. Dry it out and oil the pivots and the snap should come back nicely to the tools and blade. I would slowly re profile the tip with a whetstone and call it good.   

[JasonJ]

Thanks Steve!  Do you think I should grind the top of the blade, make it more of a drop point, or grind the front of the belly to bring the edge up to the new tip?

Any ideas on a year range for dating it?

[JamesJ]

Have the same knife (tang stamp might be different, have to check). But same grip pattern, same old cross, brass liners. It's a cool one.

I'd probably grind the top edge down slightly to meet the new, upward-ground bottom edge, and then try to really polish the top nicely so it looks like nothing was done to it. But there are so many different shapes of blades it's kinda up to personal taste.

Cool SAK tho. I bought mine in a 3 knife lot and was planning to sell it but decided to keep it.

[SteveC]

I think I would leave the top and grind it from the bottom. I usually use a fine tip sharpie and draw the lines out to see how it will look before I reprofile. The small v on the victorinox stamping places it 1975-85 unless it has an Elinox stamp on the opposite side then it's older.

[PTRSAK]

When repro filing the tip don't take it all off the bottom in this case. You'll need to take some of the top as well or the sharp tip will be too high and exposed. It will catch on your pocket and things and can cut you... ask me how I know 😊

[SteveC]

Good advise there ^^^^   

I hadn't thought of that 

[PTRSAK]

Three OC Pioneers. One original profile blade and a couple of "repaired" blades, neither reprofiled by myself.
The middle blade is the one I mentioned with the tip being too high. If it was a regular carry knife I would take a little off the blade's spine but it lives in my display case so it can stay as is. the semi-sheepfoot (top) is quite a good profile but I prefer to stay with a spear point if at all possible.



On a side note... the Elinox tang stamp is on the front side of the blade,  the VSSR stamp is on the reverse for Elinox knives.

[TonySal]

Three OC Pioneers. One original profile blade and a couple of "repaired" blades, neither reprofiled by myself.
The middle blade is the one I mentioned with the tip being too high. If it was a regular carry knife I would take a little off the blade's spine but it lives in my display case so it can stay as is. the semi-sheepfoot (top) is quite a good profile but I prefer to stay with a spear point if at all possible.

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On a side note... the Elinox tang stamp is on the front side of the blade,  the VSSR stamp is on the reverse for Elinox knives.

Can anyone give a try for the real old one in my avi please- sorry for the crudy pic...

[Corwyn]

Three OC Pioneers. One original profile blade and a couple of "repaired" blades, neither reprofiled by myself.
The middle blade is the one I mentioned with the tip being too high. If it was a regular carry knife I would take a little off the blade's spine but it lives in my display case so it can stay as is. the semi-sheepfoot (top) is quite a good profile but I prefer to stay with a spear point if at all possible.

(Image removed from quote.)

On a side note... the Elinox tang stamp is on the front side of the blade,  the VSSR stamp is on the reverse for Elinox knives.

Can anyone give a try for the real old one in my avi please- sorry for the crudy pic...

Victorinox Gourmet I'd say, pre 1973: http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Gourmet

[TonySal]

Three OC Pioneers. One original profile blade and a couple of "repaired" blades, neither reprofiled by myself.
The middle blade is the one I mentioned with the tip being too high. If it was a regular carry knife I would take a little off the blade's spine but it lives in my display case so it can stay as is. the semi-sheepfoot (top) is quite a good profile but I prefer to stay with a spear point if at all possible.

(Image removed from quote.)

On a side note... the Elinox tang stamp is on the front side of the blade,  the VSSR stamp is on the reverse for Elinox knives.

Can anyone give a try for the real old one in my avi please- sorry for the crudy pic...

Victorinox Gourmet I'd say, pre 1973: http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Gourmet

Thanks Gourmet buddy- but it was that old @50 years ago when I was a kid.  Def pre 73!  It has an awl on the outside and a little bale thats hard to see here. 

[zoidberg]

Three OC Pioneers. One original profile blade and a couple of "repaired" blades, neither reprofiled by myself.
The middle blade is the one I mentioned with the tip being too high. If it was a regular carry knife I would take a little off the blade's spine but it lives in my display case so it can stay as is. the semi-sheepfoot (top) is quite a good profile but I prefer to stay with a spear point if at all possible.

(Image removed from quote.)

On a side note... the Elinox tang stamp is on the front side of the blade,  the VSSR stamp is on the reverse for Elinox knives.

Can anyone give a try for the real old one in my avi please- sorry for the crudy pic...

Victorinox Gourmet I'd say, pre 1973: http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Gourmet

Thanks Gourmet buddy- but it was that old @50 years ago when I was a kid.  Def pre 73!  It has an awl on the outside and a little bale thats hard to see here. 

How about some better pics.      

[TonySal]

Three OC Pioneers. One original profile blade and a couple of "repaired" blades, neither reprofiled by myself.
The middle blade is the one I mentioned with the tip being too high. If it was a regular carry knife I would take a little off the blade's spine but it lives in my display case so it can stay as is. the semi-sheepfoot (top) is quite a good profile but I prefer to stay with a spear point if at all possible.

(Image removed from quote.)

On a side note... the Elinox tang stamp is on the front side of the blade,  the VSSR stamp is on the reverse for Elinox knives.

Can anyone give a try for the real old one in my avi please- sorry for the crudy pic...

Victorinox Gourmet I'd say, pre 1973: http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Gourmet

Thanks Gourmet buddy- but it was that old @50 years ago when I was a kid.  Def pre 73!  It has an awl on the outside and a little bale thats hard to see here. 

How about some better pics.      

Its a phone,  I'll try! Thanks for asking...

[TonySal]

Try this

[TonySal]

Try this

Pradel, French! Wow Not sak.....