UK Legal Carry Thread!

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Ok if like me your tired of trawling the internet for interesting, but UK street legal edc how about we make a list of them here for easy reference for us poor oppressed Brits

Add your sugestions, and either Ben or myself will edit them into this thread to make life easier all round

So it's up to you fella's to make this idea work, so get listing

Folding knives

Spyderco Slip Joints - http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/list.php?category=18
Spyderco Slipit's - http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/list.php?category=16
CRKT Edgie - http://www.crkt.com/Edgie-Self-Sharpening-Knife-Razor-Sharp-Edge
CRKT Slip KISS - http://www.crkt.com/Slip-KISS--275-Blade-Razor-Sharp-Edge-Anthracite-Scales-Knife?&search_id=983345
CRKT Slip KISS II - http://www.crkt.com/Slip-KISS-2--2375-Blade-Razor-Sharp-Edge?&search_id=983345
Boker Buddy - http://www.heinnie.com/product.asp?s=hhwpvl1009267&strParents=&CAT_ID=116&P_ID=3578
Boker Plus Subcom 42 - http://www.heinnie.com/Knives/-UK-Legal-Carry-Knives/Boker-Plus-UK-Legal-/Boker-Plus-Subcom-42/p-92-641-765-5202/
Boker Trance 42 - http://www.heinnie.com/Knives/-UK-Legal-Carry-Knives/Boker-Plus-UK-Legal-/Boker-Plus-Trance-42/p-92-641-765-5217/
Falkniven U1 - http://fallkniven.com/u1/us-u1.htm
Douk-Douk (small) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douk-Douk
Moki Thuja UK - http://www.heinnie.com/hy3ie71011594/Knives/Moki/Moki-Thuja-UK/p-92-175-1541/
Maserin Marinera - http://www.heinnie.com/product.asp?s=849wem1030116&strParents=&CAT_ID=92&P_ID=2922&strPageHistory=search&numSearchStartRecord=49
Maserin Colt Temperino - http://heinnie.com/product.asp?strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=4983
Kershaw Mini Biner - http://www.kershawknives.com/productdetails.php?id=480&brand=kershaw
Byrd Wings Slippit - http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=398
Byrd Tern - http://www.handyniknaks.co.uk/byrd-knives-tern-knife-byrd-by23gp-non-locking-knife-5240-p.asp
Citadel Buddy - http://knives-citadel.com/displayKnife.php?id=65
SOG Micron - http://sogknives.com/store/micron.html
Sanrenmu H02 - http://www.sanrenmu.com/sanrenmu-h02.html
Opinel's No2-No5 - http://boutique.opinel-musee.com/index_uk.aspx?Globales%2fRZ=3473&Rf=ZUAML92QQQQQQWUJH4MPAQYFTQ&Param%2fIdGamme=1655&Param%2fIdFournisseur=10708&Param%2fIdMagasin=0&Param%2fIdProduit=7315&NumEtape=3
EKA Swede 90 - http://ekaknives.co.uk/folding-knives/609004-swede-90.html
EKA Compact - http://ekaknives.co.uk/folding-knives/703504-compact.html
SOG Contractor II - http://sogknives.com/store/EL-20.html

Many traditional style pocket knives are OK, just make sure that what you are looking at  has all the blades sub 3" and is non-locking.  Some makers to look at:
W.R Case - http://www.wrcase.com/index_en.php
A.Wright - http://heinnie.com/Knives/-UK-Legal-Carry-Knives/A.Wright-UK-Legal-Knives/c-1-92-641-818/
Rough Rider - http://www.heinnie.com/Knives/-UK-Legal-Carry-Knives/Rough-Rider-UK-Legal/c-1-92-641-646/

There are many more traditional knife makers out there though.

Swiss Army Knives - All those with a blade below 3" and where the blade does not lock.  Below are a good selection.

Victorinox Soldier (make sure it's the 2 handed ALOX version) - http://www.victorinox.ch/index.cfm?site=victorinox.ch&page=234&lang=E
Victorinox Swisschamp - http://www.victorinox.ch/index.cfm?site=victorinox.ch&page=167&lang=E

Multitools

Bear and Son Bear Jaws/ Super Bear Jaws (those without locks) - http://www.multitool.org/miscellaneous-tools/medium-tools/bear-and-son-bear-jaws.html
Leatherman Juice series - http://www.leatherman.com/family/multi-tools/Pocket-Size_Tools
Leatherman Knifeless Fuse - http://www.leatherman.com/product/Knifeless_Fuse
Leatherman Squirt PS4 - http://www.leatherman.com/product/Squirt_PS4
Leatherman Squirt ES4 - http://www.leatherman.com/product/Squirt_ES4
Leatherman Style - http://www.leatherman.com/product/Style
Leatherman Style CS - http://www.leatherman.com/product/Style_CS
Leatherman Style PS - http://www.leatherman.com/product/Style_PS
Gerber Pocket Tool - http://www.gerbergear.com/Survival/Tools/Pocket-Tool_31-001050N
Gerber Shard - http://www.gerbergear.com/Essentials/Tools/Shard-Keychain-Tool_31-000400
Gerber Splice - http://www.gerbergear.com/Essentials/Tools/Splice-Pocket-Tool_31-000013
Gerber Vice - http://www.gerbergear.com/Essentials/Tools/Vice-Pocket-Tool_31-000021
Gerber Solstice - http://www.multitool.org/gerber/keychain-tools/gerber-solstice.html
Atwood tools (all bladeless models) - http://www.atwoodknives.com/
Swiss-Tech tools - http://www.swisstechtools.com/
Sebertech tools - http://www.multitool.org/Miscellaneous-Tools/Keyring-Tools/2008/01/11/sebertech-m3.html
CRKT Guppie - http://www.crkt.com/Guppie?&search_id=983567
CRKT Li'l Guppie - http://www.crkt.com/Lil-Guppie?&search_id=983567
CRKT Get-a-way driver - http://www.crkt.com/Get-a-Way-Driver-Torx-Set
Byrd Firebyrd - http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=207
Beretta Shotgun tool - http://www.heinnie.com/qp9l8i1009924/Pocket-Tools/Beretta/Berretta-Shotgun-Tool/p-94-400-2464/
Gatco/Timberline Frog Tool - http://www.multitool.org/miscellaneous-tools/medium-tools/gatco/timberline-frog-tool.html
Latshaw Pocketwrench II - http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=16106.0
Wenger Minigrip - http://www.multitool.org/Wenger/Small-Tools/2006/10/30/wenger-pocketgripminigrip.html

UK carry laws, in English!...


It is illegal to carry any sharp or bladed instrument in a public place (with the exception of a folding pocket knife, which has a blade that is less than 7.62 cm (3 inches)).

A lock knife is not a folding pocket knife and therefore it is illegal to carry around such a knife regardless of the length of the blade. A lock knife means a knife which is similar to a folding knife, in that there is a spring holding the blade closed. However, a lock knife has a mechanism which locks the blade in position when fully extended, the blade cannot be closed without that mechanism being released. A lock knife is not an offensive weapon per se (because these knives were made with a specific purpose in mind and not as a weapon). However, possession of a lock knife in a public place without reasonable excuse is an offence.

Possession of a multi-tool incorporating a prohibited blade/pointed article is capable of being an offence under this section even if there are other tools on the instrument which may be of use to a person in a public place (screwdriver, can opener).

The ban is not total, it is for the person in possession of such an instrument to prove on the balance of probabilities that he/she had good reason for its possession. It will have to be genuine, for example, someone back packing across the Lake District may reasonably be expected to have a knife for the preparation of meals. It will be far more difficult to justify on the streets of a city or town, but there will be occasions when someone is genuinely going to a martial arts sport or scout meeting (which is easily checked).

The penalty for committing this offence is a minimum prison sentence of six months, maximum four years and/or a fine.


The UK carry laws legal speak...

CJA 1988 – Section 139: Offence of having article with blade or point in
public place
(1) Subject to subsections (4) and (5) below, any person who has an article to which this
section applies with him in a public place shall be guilty of an offence.
(2) Subject to subsection (3) below, this section applies to any article which has a blade or
is sharply pointed except a folding pocketknife.
(3) This section applies to a folding pocketknife if the cutting edge of its blade exceeds 3
inches.
(4) It shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under this section to prove
that he had good reason or lawful authority for having the article with him in a public
place.
(5) Without prejudice to the generality of subsection (4) above, it shall be a defence for a
person charged with an offence under this section to prove that he had the article with
him —
a. for use at work;
b. for religious reasons; or
c. as part of any national costume.
(6) A person guilty of an offence under subsection (1) above shall be liable -
a. on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months,
or a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum, or both;
b. on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two
years, or a fine, or both.
(Continues overleaf)
(7) In this section “public place” includes any place to which at the material time the public
have or are permitted access, whether on payment or otherwise.
(8 ) This section shall not have effect in relation to anything done before it comes into force.
The text quoted on this card is from the Criminal Justice Act 1988
and can be checked for veracity (or for any changes to the law) online at:
http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.aspx?LegType=All+Prim
ary&PageNumber=1&Year=1988&NavFrom=2&parentActiveTextDocId
=2116646&ActiveTextDocId=2116820&filesize=4465
Please type the above URL into your web browser as one line of text, there are no spaces.


Handy link http://www.davidappleton.co.uk/bbforum/cja1988_s139_card.pdf

[Benner]

I think this is a great idea and I'll start with a few OH legal EDC folders;

Spyderco UKPK - http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=243
Spyderco Pride - http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=62
CRKT Edgie - http://www.crkt.com/edgie.html
Boker Buddy - http://www.heinnie.com/product.asp?s=hhwpvl1009267&strParents=&CAT_ID=116&P_ID=3578

[Benner]

Thought links would be handy, so I have edited my post above.

[Flash]

Spyderco UKPK,
Spyderco Pride,
CRKT Edgie,
Boker Buddy.


Oh wait Benner said those  

Basically any non locking (liner/frame/lockback or other locking mechanism) under 3" or 7.62 cm is allowed (and  where the blade folds into the handle).

Remember....no gravity knives, no flick knives, no "combat" knives, no auto's, no switchblades', no butterfly knives and no disguised knives.

If you breach this the maximum penalty for carrying a knife is four years in prison and a fine of £5000.

And breath  

I reckon best value is the CRKT Edgie...best performer Spyderco UKPK...best all rounder SAK Swisschamp.

Any questions feel free to ask or PM  

[Flash]

Also don't carry these:

    *  flick knives
    * gravity knives
    * knuckle-dusters
    * sword-sticks
    * samurai swords
    * hand-claws
    * foot-claws
    * belt-buckle knives
    * push daggers
    * butterfly knives
    * blow-pipes or guns
    * kubotan (cylindrical container, holding spikes)
    * shuriken (also known as 'death stars' or 'throwing stars')
    * telescopic truncheons (automatically extending)
    * kusari-gama (sickle attached to a rope, cord or wire)
    * kyoketsu-shoge (hook-knife attached to a rope, cord or wire)
    * kusari (weight attached to a rope, cord or wire)
    * disguised knives (for example, lipstick knives)
    * stealth knives
    * straight, side-handled or friction-lock truncheons

Above + public place = Prison

[Dunc]

How about the good old http://www.victorinox.ch/index.cfm?site=victorinox.ch&page=234&lang=E

Dunc

[Benner]

Spyderco UKPK,
Spyderco Pride,
CRKT Edgie,
Boker Buddy.


Oh wait Benner said those  

Basically any non locking (liner/frame/lockback or other locking mechanism) under 3" or 7.62 cm is allowed (and  where the blade folds into the handle).

Remember....no gravity knives, no flick knives, no "combat" knives, no auto's, no switchblades', no butterfly knives and no disguised knives.

If you breach this the maximum penalty for carrying a knife is four years in prison and a fine of £5000.

And breath  

I reckon best value is the CRKT Edgie...best performer Spyderco UKPK...best all rounder SAK Swisschamp.

Any questions feel free to ask or PM  

I think the Swisschamp is probably the most non knife user friendly EDC knife available. 

[jzmtl]

Heh, those prohibited weapon sounds like Canada's, you know those ninja stars are really leathal!
 
Can you guys carry opinel with lock ring popped off?

[Benner]

Heh, those prohibited weapon sounds like Canada's, you know those ninja stars are really leathal!
 
Can you guys carry opinel with lock ring popped off?

We can indeed as it is therefore no longer a locker. 

People have made alterations to axis locks to make them EDCable as well.

[Neil]

Heh, those prohibited weapon sounds like Canada's, you know those ninja stars are really leathal!
 
Can you guys carry opinel with lock ring popped off?

There's also the smaller opinels that have no lock, I think No.5 and below.  Any 58mm, 74mm, 84mm, 91mm, 93mm Vic. is OK.  Technically the 108mm is legal as well but as its over 76mm with the tang its probably not wise.  Obviously the larger 111mm Vics. are a no no.  Most of the 85mm and smaller Wengers are OK but any with the padloc system are a no go.

What about plier based MTs?  The LM Juice range are OK but what about others?  I'm always slightly concerned about tools like the Mini or the PT-510 as whilst there is no lock on the blade once the blade is out and the tool closed back up the blade can't be folded back into the handle, how would this be viewed? 

Neil

[Benner]

Heh, those prohibited weapon sounds like Canada's, you know those ninja stars are really leathal!
 
Can you guys carry opinel with lock ring popped off?

There's also the smaller opinels that have no lock, I think No.5 and below.  Any 58mm, 74mm, 84mm, 91mm, 93mm Vic. is OK.  Technically the 108mm is legal as well but as its over 76mm with the tang its probably not wise.  Obviously the larger 111mm Vics. are a no no.  Most of the 85mm and smaller Wengers are OK but any with the padloc system are a no go.

What about plier based MTs?  The LM Juice range are OK but what about others?  I'm always slightly concerned about tools like the Mini or the PT-510 as whilst there is no lock on the blade once the blade is out and the tool closed back up the blade can't be folded back into the handle, how would this be viewed? 

Neil

I think strictly speaking those aren't legal either, however, I am sure I have seen discussions where that is just regarded as being a little OTT.

Also, strictly speaking, saw's that lock and/or are over 3" and aren't legal EDC either.  Again though I think that is being a bit OTT.

I'd be interested in hearing Flash's take on it though. 

(Juice's added)

[Neil]

Also, strictly speaking, saw's aren't legal EDC either.  Again though I think that is being a bit OTT.

I would imagine saws come into the sharp and or pointy category, so if under 76mm and non-locking would still be OK.

Neil

[Benner]

Also, strictly speaking, saw's aren't legal EDC either.  Again though I think that is being a bit OTT.

I would imagine saws come into the sharp and or pointy category, so if under 76mm and non-locking would still be OK.

Neil

Sorry I meant that, so will edit my post above to avoid confusion.

[Flash]

eeeeeeeeeeer OK well um this is where the "Black and white" of the judicious system gets a little "grey"

Officer discretion applies here as well as this summary (written by someone else):

The Act specifies a number of reasonable excuses for having custody of a knife. This does not limit any other reasonable excuse that a person might have although self defence or defence of another person is not a reasonable excuse for having custody of a knife.
Under the Act it is a reasonable excuse for a person to have custody of a knife, if the custody is reasonably necessary in all circumstances for any of the following:-

          o lawful pursuit of the person's occupation
          o preparation or consumption of food or drink
          o participation in a lawful entertainment, recreation or sport
          o exhibition of knives for retail or other trade purposes
          o organised exhibition by knife collectors
          o wearing of an official uniform
          o genuine relgious purposes

            or during travel to or from or incidental to any of these activities

So its a strange one with regards to the Locking MT's...To not tempt fate why not stick with a juice or a Pocket Power thingy.  

[Benner]

But what about the fact that when closed (say on a PST) the blade can't close as it will hit the other handle?