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Tool Talk => Edged Tools => Topic started by: lovenhim on June 19, 2011, 09:06:43 PM
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I was goofing around online and came across this Chinese knife company called SANRENMU or SRM. I understand but am not sure of this....that they make knives for name brands such as Buck, CRKT, and Spyderco/Byrd.....in other words made by SRM and rebranded and marked up in price. Are SRM knives junk, or a good value for the money type of knife?
http://www.exduct.com/wholesale-knife/sanrenmu-srm-folding-knife-knives.html (http://www.exduct.com/wholesale-knife/sanrenmu-srm-folding-knife-knives.html)
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Short: They are great! Not only for the low price, the SRM knives I own are really well made and good quality knives. If you know any of the Chinese Spyderco knives, they are just as good.
Yes sir, there are better knives around, but they cost 10 times as much and more. To be honest, my SRM 710 is one of my prefered EDC knives - in a collection of more than 50 quality knives by Spyderco, Benchmade, SOG, CRKT, Fallkniven...
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There are a few posts on here about SRM, the 710 is a favourite on here, search poor mans sebenza :tu:
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I only have one SRM knife; the GB-763 and it's a great little knife. SRM knives use 8Cr13Mov steel which is commonly used in China-made knives such as Byrd, Spyderco (Tenacious for example) and lower-end Benchmades (such as the Vex).
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Im a fan of the 710 ::)
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m279/zed2000/P1010143-1.jpg)
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SanRenMu is the known OEM for the following companies:
Boker
Spyderco's Byrd and Tenacious line of knives (not all, about 2/3s of the line)
Buck
Fenix
Benchmade's Red Class
CRKT
and a whole host of others.
They're exceptionally good knives, and since the pricing is done for the Chinese market (which has a substantially lower average wage than most Western nations) you can get truly fantastic deals.
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Thank you for this. I think I will have to look into some SRM knives. Just think, you could load up if you had $100 to spend. LOL :)
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There are a few posts on here about SRM, the 710 is a favourite on here, search poor mans sebenza :tu:
|+ Amazing value for a nice knife :tu:
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They are great knives, I have 5 of them at the moment. You can get the best prices on focalprice-slow shipping, or exduct. Exduct has the best selection and rather fast shipping. You should also look at the bee/enlan range of knives, they have some nice models.
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Here's some good reading :)
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,26319.0.html (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,26319.0.html)
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,21081.0.html (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,21081.0.html)
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Just to repeat what everyone else is saying. Great knives, fantastic value for money.
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If you like the look of the designs then I can say they are certainly well made. :)
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Now I need to find out where you can buy the SRM knives Online. :)
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Now I need to find out where you can buy the SRM knives Online. :)
http://edcdepot.com/ (http://edcdepot.com/)
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Definitely try Marc at EDCDepot first :salute:
If not can you not order from Exduct or here?
http://www.focalprice.com/HT503S/Sanrenmu_710_Mini_Multifunctional_Foldable_Pocket_Knife_with_Clip_for_Outdoors_Silver.html (http://www.focalprice.com/HT503S/Sanrenmu_710_Mini_Multifunctional_Foldable_Pocket_Knife_with_Clip_for_Outdoors_Silver.html)
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+1 on srm the 710 is all that and then some and then a little bit more. You should also check out the Enlan brand, I have just picked up an Enlan EL02b which has an Axis lock no less! Another great knife. :tu:
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Definitely try Marc at EDCDepot first :salute:
If not can you not order from Exduct or here?
http://www.focalprice.com/HT503S/Sanrenmu_710_Mini_Multifunctional_Foldable_Pocket_Knife_with_Clip_for_Outdoors_Silver.html (http://www.focalprice.com/HT503S/Sanrenmu_710_Mini_Multifunctional_Foldable_Pocket_Knife_with_Clip_for_Outdoors_Silver.html)
+1 on Mark
You get an excelent servise and a free pill fob :D . He's one of the best guys to deal with.
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I often rotate between a 704, 710 and special ed. 763 (alu handles).
I LOVE how thin and none existent the 704 is until you need it. When I carry them, in my back right pocket, tip down.
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If you're looking for places to buy, I would say in order:
1. edcdepot.com Fast, good service without much of a mark up but not many models
2. exduct.com They carry the most models out of everyone, but shipping isn't included in pricing shown, so expect another ~$4.50 on top of the stated pricing.
3. discoverybargain.com I've had good luck with purchases from there, but many people haven't. If you buy from DB, shell out for tracked shipping.
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If you're looking for places to buy, I would say in order:
1. edcdepot.com Fast, good service without much of a mark up but not many models
2. exduct.com They carry the most models out of everyone, but shipping isn't included in pricing shown, so expect another ~$4.50 on top of the stated pricing.
3. discoverybargain.com I've had good luck with purchases from there, but many people haven't. If you buy from DB, shell out for tracked shipping.
Just adding that exduct charges depend on weight and they have a minimum initial charge for shipping/packing/tracking etc, so the more you buy the cheaper the per item cost gets (great excuse to buy more). :D
Focalprice has free shipping, so sometimes if you are only buying one or two items it can work out cheaper. I find focalprice shipping a lot faster; exduct, for me, takes about a month+ each time.
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That's strange, it usually takes 1,5 months for a focalprice to arrive to me. Worst being 5 months. I did get a full refund for tha one though. It had water damage. Exduct usually takes two weeks for me. And they have a lot of knives at montly special prices. :tu:
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That's strange, it usually takes 1,5 months for a focalprice to arrive to me. Worst being 5 months. I did get a full refund for tha one though. It had water damage. Exduct usually takes two weeks for me. And they have a lot of knives at montly special prices. :tu:
Worst I had was 2 months from Exduct, currently however I am waiting for an order from them that was posted on the 25th of March, going for a new record.
OK, I will ask exduct to post my things to Croatia, and you can ask focalprice to post yours to Cyprus. :D
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That's strange, it usually takes 1,5 months for a focalprice to arrive to me. Worst being 5 months. I did get a full refund for tha one though. It had water damage. Exduct usually takes two weeks for me. And they have a lot of knives at montly special prices. :tu:
Worst I had was 2 months from Exduct, currently however I am waiting for an order from them that was posted on the 25th of March, going for a new record.
OK, I will ask exduct to post my things to Croatia, and you can ask focalprice to post yours to Cyprus. :D
Just to add that I got the above mentioned order today, 2 months after it was placed. It was opened for inspection somewhwere; nothing was missing.
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Im a fan of the 710 ::)
Me too :tu:
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5021/5684726913_6e3d245e0d_z.jpg)
~> http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=30466368@N07&q=sanrenmu (http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=30466368@N07&q=sanrenmu)
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...OK, I will ask exduct to post my things to Croatia, and you can ask focalprice to post yours to Cyprus. :D
And we meet up half way in Greece to exchange them and talk tools and have a :cheers: :drink:
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...OK, I will ask exduct to post my things to Croatia, and you can ask focalprice to post yours to Cyprus. :D
And we meet up half way in Greece to exchange them and talk tools and have a :cheers: :drink:
:salute: :cheers:
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...OK, I will ask exduct to post my things to Croatia, and you can ask focalprice to post yours to Cyprus. :D
And we meet up half way in Greece to exchange them and talk tools and have a :cheers: :drink:
:salute: :cheers:
Or I can help you both! Ask exduct to post things to me, then I can have all the booze, and you can have all the pictures of me being happy without the headache and sore fingers from opening boxes! Win-win, don't you think? :D
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I just got my package from Price Angels today. It contained the SRM 701, 710, and 763 knives. I am very happy with them and I see why now everyone likes SRM knives and told me to get two of these knives as must have knives for a newbie to SRM. Now I want some 9 series models. LOL Smile
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3251/5863198041_da669519ef_z.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3169/5863750392_9790cbf876_z.jpg)
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The supply of 9 series SRM knives, is limited, to say the least. It's a shame they don't seem to make them anymore since they were quite comfy to hold.
Your best bet is to look at the larger Bee/Enlan models, or some of the Ganzo and Navy models.
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I just got my package from Price Angels today. It contained the SRM 701, 710, and 763 knives. I am very happy with them and I see why now everyone likes SRM knives and told me to get two of these knives as must have knives for a newbie to SRM. Now I want some 9 series models. LOL Smile
Nice choices. :tu: The aluminum 763 looks nice. :cheers:
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the 710 is a quality knife, I own 2 of them..I never carry them because the pocket clips are tip down only...non starter for me
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Even though SRM is OEM for big brands, they typically do not re-brand - the QC and goods are entirely different. For eg., Spyderco requires tight tolerances on their Byrd line, and SRM manufactures, and QCs' them differently than their $10 SRM-branded blades. I suspect the same thing for other brands as well.
For a $10 knife, they are good, but since a knife has a potential for damage, I have stopped using SRM knives, simply because I don't trust them to work when I want them to. I'd rather carry a Byrd, than an SRM. I'd say they have a place in the low-budget category, but definitely not to be trusted for difficult tasks. Okay for a beater knife around the house.
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I disagree on that. SRM wants to be recognized as a quality brand, and I have the impression that the SRM branded knives are very close to Byrd and imported SOG and Kershaw. There are other SRM brands, like Land knives, that are slightly inferior to their SRM labelled siblings.
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For a $10 knife, they are good, but since a knife has a potential for damage, I have stopped using SRM knives, simply because I don't trust them to work when I want them to. I'd rather carry a Byrd, than an SRM. I'd say they have a place in the low-budget category, but definitely not to be trusted for difficult tasks. Okay for a beater knife around the house.
I've been using various SanRenMu knives for 6+ months now, including heavy use in the garden, shop and camping and they've held up exactly as a quality product should.
Before you make any generalizations on price, please consider the following facts:
The 2009 average income for urban Chinese was ~$12,000.
The 2009 average income for the US in the same period was a hair under $50,000 after tax.
SanRenMu knives are made, and priced, for the Chinese market. This includes the labour (the little that there is), land costs, energy, raw materials, etc.
So... take whatever price you're paying in $US for a SanRenMu knife, multiply it by 4, and that's the equivalent value in the Chinese market.
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I use SRM knives, mainly the 763, for many of my cutting tasks. I think it depends on what people mean by hard tasks; I would not chop wood with the SRM, but then I would not chop wood with any knife. I have done some carving and cutting of sticks with it, opening boxes, food preparation etc when I had to and never felt shortchanged.
I am also not aware of them cutting costs on their own branded knives, compared to the ones they make for others....
I do feel that their products are getting better all the time; they are definitely learning fast, that goes for other chinese makers like the ones that make the RR knives, and other US and European brands.
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Hmmmm, difficult tasks. Well I wouldn't baton a log with any folder but for any other task I can think of in my daily life any well constructed folding knife will work for me (heck my EDC is a Alox Classic and Cadet). Would I take a frame lock over a liner lock? Yep! An axis lock over a frame? Most likely. Would I take S30v steel over 8cr13mov? Errr yeah, a Sebenza over any Byrd knife? Of course.
Both Srm & Enlan make good honest mid-range knives with perfectly safe reliable locks,good mid range steel, with acceptable fit and finish for everyday use at a very good price to the western markets.
Would I pocket my Sebenza over my Srm 710(the so called poor mans Sebenza) even though I could buy 40 710's for the same price? In most circumstances,of course.But thats has very little to do with actual performance, but everything to do with the dreaded KNIFE SNOBBERY.
+1 for Srm's I like and use them.
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I think we all have a bit of knife snobbery to one degree or another. Just tonight at Academy i was looking down upon a brand i once liked. I saw a guy checking out that brand and i remember thinking to myself..poor guy throwing money away when ____ is a better buy/quality.
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Hmmmm, difficult tasks. Well I wouldn't baton a log with any folder but for any other task I can think of in my daily life any well constructed folding knife will work for me (heck my EDC is a Alox Classic and Cadet). Would I take a frame lock over a liner lock? Yep! An axis lock over a frame? Most likely. Would I take S30v steel over 8cr13mov? Errr yeah, a Sebenza over any Byrd knife? Of course.
Both Srm & Enlan make good honest mid-range knives with perfectly safe reliable locks,good mid range steel, with acceptable fit and finish for everyday use at a very good price to the western markets.
Would I pocket my Sebenza over my Srm 710(the so called poor mans Sebenza) even though I could buy 40 710's for the same price? In most circumstances,of course.But thats has very little to do with actual performance, but everything to do with the dreaded KNIFE SNOBBERY.
+1 for Srm's I like and use them.
my view here is pocketing any lock knife is iligal in the uk, its upto folk what they carry as far as im concerned but if i had to take the risk on getting a knife taken from me by the police and lose it i would rather a £10 710 over a £300 sebenza, if you collect knives then fare enough but for legal carry in the uk its a expensive knife to have with the risk of getting it taken , :-\ but one sweet knife :D ill have to stick to my poor mans sebenza for now :D
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On that point I totally agree with you. The law is the law and anyway I get more pleasure from my Alox Saks than any other knives I own. I was in the garden all of yesterday using an Elan El02b, (price £15.00) It work great and could not be bettered for the work I did. Not even by a Byrd!
The sebenza is a very expensive toy(in truth I don't see the value in the knife) after all how many times can you open and close a Knife :think: Would'nt sell it though. There's that knife snobbery again :-[
Back to the point for every day tasks lots of these Chinese branded models are awesome. There safe and functional and worth every penny.
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On that point I totally agree with you. The law is the law and anyway I get more pleasure from my Alox Saks than any other knives I own. I was in the garden all of yesterday using an Elan El02b, (price £15.00) It work great and could not be bettered for the work I did. Not even by a Byrd!
The sebenza is a very expensive toy(in truth I don't see the value in the knife) after all how many times can you open and close a Knife :think: Would'nt sell it though. There's that knife snobbery again :-[
Back to the point for every day tasks lots of these Chinese branded models are awesome. There safe and functional and worth every penny.
yeah i wouldnt sell as well if i had one, its anoying that you cant enjoy these knives fully in the uk, i get the laws but some times they are anoying, you enjoy the sebenza when you can, i would still backpack carry it on camping trips etc as i do my 710 or buck 112 as love them both, :tu:
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...and if you want something similar but bigger and with better steel...
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee484/jladks/toys/fbded3f6.jpg)
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee484/jladks/toys/a1ab3379.jpg)
still, for a bit more than the Navy (OK, a bit more than double the price...but still about $13 more, not including shipping) I got an 112 second, so really it all depends on what you define as low cost; above $20 there are more options available... Of course the 710 is usually under $5, so really good value, nothing comes close.
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...and if you want something similar but bigger and with better steel...
Nice! Thanks for that pic - I was wondering what that knife was like! :cheers:
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...and if you want something similar but bigger and with better steel...
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee484/jladks/toys/fbded3f6.jpg)
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee484/jladks/toys/a1ab3379.jpg)
still, for a bit more than the Navy (OK, a bit more than double the price...but still about $13 more, not including shipping) I got an 112 second, so really it all depends on what you define as low cost; above $20 there are more options available... Of course the 710 is usually under $5, so really good value, nothing comes close.
that is cool, :drool: :tu:
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They are on special for $9.99, you know where.... Of course 710s are on special too, for half of that... :D
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Just got 2 SRM 710 units. Can't say I'm that frilled. I didn't like the opening system but specially the locking mechanism. Aside that and taking the price into consideration, no complains :tu:
btw: bought from focalprice on jun27, delivered at my mailbox jul6, that's 8-9 calendar days. Not that slow.
(also in the mailbox was a spyderco ladybug which is just superb... the feeling about the 710 might have been influenced by this)
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Just got 2 SRM 710 units. Can't say I'm that frilled. I didn't like the opening system but specially the locking mechanism. Aside that and taking the price into consideration, no complains :tu:
What exactly don't you like about the opening or locking mechanisms?
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Regarding the opening system, I've found difficult to OHO. It requires more force than I'm used to and it hurts the thumb a little. The ladybug, for example, is so small and yet very easy to open with a single hand.
As for the locking system it's difficult for me to explain... it doesn't make that solid "click" when the blade reaches its open position. Might be paranoia but it doesn't feel so robust as similar systems, like leatherman surge/charge.
Other minor note: people have said the blade is perfectly centered between the handles, and that is true on one of the units, but the other unit has the blade clearly closer to one side.
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I have bought a few 710 and, as you said, I have one that did not originally make a very satisfying "click" noise, like the rest of them.
I worked on it a bit with a file and it was OK afterwards. You can also adjust the pivot screws if they are a bit tight or off centre.
And, of course, you are talking about a knife that costs about 6 Euro including shipping...
I now usually carry a 763, similar blade size, lighter, axis lock and bottle opener!! Only slightly more expensive.
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Ive fiddle with my 710 and i can flick it out easy with my thumb, infact my step brother was around the other day looking at my knives and i got the 710 out and flicked it out so quick he thought it was a flick knife :D
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I have and use a 710 and I found it a little more tricky to master the technique to oho this knife. However once I got it, I found it to open as quickly and smoothly as anything I've ever handled. As for the locking system, my example has from day one snapped into place with a reassuring THWACK!, and once locked up it feels very solid and safe. But I've also read on other forums of the concerns Carlos is talking about, and as dks has said in his experience it can vary from knife to knife. This is not just a problem for Srm though, many more expensive knives have the same issues, I'm thinking the H.E.S.T. folder, when it comes to poor lock up, or Striders, with centring issues for example.
No matter what the price any fault with a knife is really disappointing, but easier to live with on a srm than the other two I've mentioned thats for sure.
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the 710 is my favorite.
but there is also one that is kinda like the 710 but smaller that I have by SRM and it is awesome too.
i own about 7 SRM knives and all are great at a really low price.
there are the best cheap knives I have come across.
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Im a fan of the 710 ::)
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m279/zed2000/P1010143-1.jpg)
nice pic. makes me want to carry the 710 tomorrow. =)
it is somewhat slim and fits in the pocket perfect for me.
not to heavy, but not to light.
its really perfect to me.
I ran mine through the sharpmaker and its razor sharp too! =)
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Im a fan of the 710 ::)
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m279/zed2000/P1010143-1.jpg)
nice pic. makes me want to carry the 710 tomorrow. =)
it is somewhat slim and fits in the pocket perfect for me.
not to heavy, but not to light.
its really perfect to me.
I ran mine through the sharpmaker and its razor sharp too! =)
cheers mate, i love the 710 and its a shame its not uk legal as i would use it as my main edc knife, :-\
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Im a fan of the 710 ::)
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m279/zed2000/P1010143-1.jpg)
nice pic. makes me want to carry the 710 tomorrow. =)
it is somewhat slim and fits in the pocket perfect for me.
not to heavy, but not to light.
its really perfect to me.
I ran mine through the sharpmaker and its razor sharp too! =)
cheers mate, i love the 710 and its a shame its not uk legal as i would use it as my main edc knife, :-\
sorry to hear that. mine has been EDCed a lot.
and if you loose it...its not $50 or so.
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For the money they are hard to beat , the one with the axis type lock looks good.
I have personal exp with the Sebbie type one ( forget the model ) think it's the 710 prob wrong , solid lock up , easy to sharpen and you won't worry about putting it through the mill
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Im a fan of the 710 ::)
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m279/zed2000/P1010143-1.jpg)
dose it realy compair to a CR
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dose it realy compair to a CR
It's $8.
Does a Toyota compare to a Jaguar? They're both cars after all.
This is an unbelievable $8 knife. It would be great at $30, up to $50 imo.
It shouldn't be compared to a CR - it's not a CR. The form is inspired ( ;)) by CR so it forces comparisons, but the CR is in a much different class at a much different price.
Still, get this one for $8. You won't be disappointed.
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dose it realy compair to a CR
It's $8.
Does a Toyota compare to a Jaguar? They're both cars after all.
This is an unbelievable $8 knife. It would be great at $30, up to $50 imo.
It shouldn't be compared to a CR - it's not a CR. The form is inspired ( ;)) by CR so it forces comparisons, but the CR is in a much different class at a much different price.
Still, get this one for $8. You won't be disappointed.
+1 very well put :tu:
:cheers:
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Does a Toyota compare to a Jaguar? They're both cars after all.
The following post has to be read with the sense of humour switched on..
I am confused, is the SRM represented by the Japanese or the ;) Indian car ?? :D
Sir William Lyons is spinning in his grave......
It may surprise most people but I have never (so far) seen an actual CR knife (apart from pictures), or even heard of them (shocking, I know), before I bought some SRMs. I do admit that their lines (710) are similar if you squint a bit, but people buy both knives on their own merit, not because they look similar.
I am sure not many people will claim their SRM is a CR or vice versa (to appear humble to others).
If you look at “classic” knives (Canoes, Sodbusters etc, many lockbacks and so on) they have similar lines and that is accepted as the norm.
Nobody has to buy a 710, there are other SRM etc models that offer cheap price and good quality (e.g. The 723, though it reminds me of something.. is better looking than the 710 and is not similar to CR knives..).
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i wasnt verry clear i ment damention wise width length they look very simaler iv never handled ither
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From what I hear (whatever that means) the 710 is similar to a small sebenza, size wise.
I think there are some comparison(s) between them on youtube, someone from another blade related forum made at least one, as I remember (and said they were not really that similar as I, again, remember)
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From what I hear (whatever that means) the 710 is similar to a small sebenza, size wise.
I think there are some comparison(s) between them on youtube, someone from another blade related forum made at least one, as I remember (and said they were not really that similar as I, again, remember)
No, the Sebenza Small is larger all around - larger blade, longer opened, longer closed. It's also lighter, being a titanium vs. steel frame. The post you're referring to is up on Bladeforums somewhere where someone took a pair of calipers to both and essentially said that the Bradley Alias was a much more similar knife in just about every way.
i wasnt verry clear i ment damention wise width length they look very simaler iv never handled ither
Please leave the spellcheck on.
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The post you're referring to is up on Bladeforums somewhere
:pok: There goes my effort to keep it secret by being cryptic... ;)