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Re: Polishing a WWII Flying Fortress
Reply #30 on: May 25, 2009, 10:11:27 PM
Well if we're talking absolute favourites, then mine would be the Mossie :)
I'll see your Mossie,and raise you a Hornet. One of the all time most graceful aircraft ever.
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I remember reading about 'Winkle' Brown landing one of those on one of our carriers :o

Not a lot of room for a aircraft with that wingspan to land on :salute:
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Re: Polishing a WWII Flying Fortress
Reply #31 on: May 25, 2009, 10:14:05 PM
my favorite plane of all times is the A-10(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-10_Thunderbolt_II) i loved its feature performance on transformers :drool:
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Re: Polishing a WWII Flying Fortress
Reply #32 on: May 25, 2009, 10:15:53 PM
my favorite plane of all times is the A-10(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-10_Thunderbolt_II) i loved its feature performance on transformers :drool:
Prefere the original tank buster :)...

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Re: Polishing a WWII Flying Fortress
Reply #33 on: May 25, 2009, 10:24:43 PM
my favorite plane of all times is the A-10(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-10_Thunderbolt_II) i loved its feature performance on transformers :drool:
Prefere the original tank buster :)...


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Re: Polishing a WWII Flying Fortress
Reply #34 on: May 25, 2009, 10:26:41 PM
my favorite plane of all times is the A-10(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-10_Thunderbolt_II) i loved its feature performance on transformers :drool:
Prefere the original tank buster :)...


:drool:

Unless you happen to be in a KV2 or T34 of course :D
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Re: Polishing a WWII Flying Fortress
Reply #35 on: May 25, 2009, 10:27:28 PM
my favorite plane of all times is the A-10(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-10_Thunderbolt_II) i loved its feature performance on transformers :drool:
Prefere the original tank buster :)...


:drool:

Unless you happen to be in a KV2 or T34 of course :D
yeah, its a perspective thing i guess :think: :D
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Re: Polishing a WWII Flying Fortress
Reply #36 on: May 25, 2009, 10:30:48 PM
 :D :D

You ought to read a Sven Hassel mate, you'll learn a whole new understanding of how much tankers hated aircraft then :D
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Re: Polishing a WWII Flying Fortress
Reply #37 on: May 27, 2009, 10:58:03 PM
I wish our airforce still used planes like that.

Yes so do the Taliban  :P


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Re: Polishing a WWII Flying Fortress
Reply #38 on: May 27, 2009, 11:17:11 PM
Here's a history of my Dad's old bomber group, The 482nd Bomber Group"Pathfinders"
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Re: Polishing a WWII Flying Fortress
Reply #39 on: May 28, 2009, 07:15:02 AM
Here's a history of my Dad's old bomber group, The 482nd Bomber Group"Pathfinders"
http://www.482nd.org/history
Interesting stuff :tu:
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Re: Polishing a WWII Flying Fortress
Reply #40 on: May 28, 2009, 07:28:40 AM
my favorite plane of all times is the A-10(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-10_Thunderbolt_II) i loved its feature performance on transformers :drool:
Prefere the original tank buster :)...


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Mike were is the Stuka 'scream' as it dive bombs ???? In the footage the stuka is using rockets ???The stuka's big weakness was how slow it was when pulling out of a dive wasn't , a lot of them got shot down when pulling up ?

I love both the new & old Thunderbolts ugly effective brutes  8) 8)
I have a big soft spot for radial engines too. :D

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Re: Polishing a WWII Flying Fortress
Reply #41 on: May 28, 2009, 03:06:07 PM
my favorite plane of all times is the A-10(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-10_Thunderbolt_II) i loved its feature performance on transformers :drool:
They used to fly some out of Truax Field in Madison, I never got tired of watching them fly by.  They now have F-16's, which I also like....but that sloooow, ugly A-10 had more charm.


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Re: Polishing a WWII Flying Fortress
Reply #42 on: May 28, 2009, 06:49:55 PM
my favorite plane of all times is the A-10(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-10_Thunderbolt_II) i loved its feature performance on transformers :drool:
Prefere the original tank buster :)...


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Mike were is the Stuka 'scream' as it dive bombs ???? In the footage the stuka is using rockets ???The stuka's big weakness was how slow it was when pulling out of a dive wasn't , a lot of them got shot down when pulling up ?

I love both the new & old Thunderbolts ugly effective brutes  8) 8)
I have a big soft spot for radial engines too. :D

Rather than rockets I think those Stukas are using 37mm gun pods - like in this picture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-646-5184-26,_Russland,_Flugzeug_Junkers_Ju_87.jpg.

A10s eh?  Gotta love the A10.  Fantastic tank killer, so well designed.  Easily one of my favourite modern aircraft.


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Re: Polishing a WWII Flying Fortress
Reply #43 on: May 28, 2009, 07:09:01 PM
I built many model planes when I was younger... the largest was a B52... that thing was massive! (considering it was half the scale of my other models, and still nearly 3x the size!)

Also built A-10, F-14, F-16, F-18, SR-71, F-117, Harrier, a few different Migs, some eurofighters.

ones with props... Spitfire, Corsair and Mustangs... always wanted a B-17.

I sometimes think about getting back into it... but where would I put them all!

playing with the full sized ones has got to be a blast... I remember sitting in the cockpit of a flight ready CF-18 once... it left a pretty big impression!
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Re: Polishing a WWII Flying Fortress
Reply #44 on: May 28, 2009, 10:20:03 PM
That is the problem :-\

They do take up a lot of room, fortunatly there is a solution, and it involves letting small boys playing with them :cry:
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Re: Polishing a WWII Flying Fortress
Reply #45 on: May 28, 2009, 11:13:58 PM
my mother still has a box with a bunch of them that are literally in pieces... beyond repair...
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Re: Polishing a WWII Flying Fortress
Reply #46 on: May 31, 2009, 07:02:06 AM
Some pics from today...sorry it was with my phone.

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Re: Polishing a WWII Flying Fortress
Reply #47 on: May 31, 2009, 09:31:47 AM
You can keep your new fangled Hornet's, I'll take the mustang anyday :drool:
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Re: Polishing a WWII Flying Fortress
Reply #48 on: May 31, 2009, 09:36:55 AM
You can keep your new fangled Hornet's, I'll take the mustang anyday :drool:

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Jets are so overrated :D
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Re: Polishing a WWII Flying Fortress
Reply #49 on: May 31, 2009, 01:23:55 PM
You can keep your new fangled Hornet's, I'll take the mustang anyday :drool:

+1

Jets are so overrated :D

Any C-130 crewman cann confirm that!!
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Re: Polishing a WWII Flying Fortress
Reply #50 on: May 31, 2009, 03:04:51 PM
You can keep your new fangled Hornet's, I'll take the mustang anyday :drool:

+1

Jets are so overrated :D

Any C-130 crewman cann confirm that!!

Yep, like those too.
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Re: Polishing a WWII Flying Fortress
Reply #51 on: May 31, 2009, 04:05:12 PM
my favorite plane of all times is the A-10(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-10_Thunderbolt_II) i loved its feature performance on transformers :drool:
Prefere the original tank buster :)...



I read somewhere that Hans-Ulrich Rudel's book "Stuka Pilot" was mandatory reading for everyone involved in the developement of the A-10. (an excellent book by the way, highly recommended) :tu:
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Re: Polishing a WWII Flying Fortress
Reply #52 on: May 31, 2009, 04:48:54 PM
Bob the footage of the Stuka bombing run , they are using rockets ? I remember my dad saying the Stuka's big weakness was how slow & vulnerable it was pulling out of a dive ? Do you know if this was true ? The terrifying noise the Stuka made when diving , was that deliberate ie terrifying the ground forces with the 'scream' of the Stuka.
I grew up playing with a green metal matchbox toy Stuka.

The A-100 is the original beautiful 'BEAST' , I love that angry nose.
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Re: Polishing a WWII Flying Fortress
Reply #53 on: May 31, 2009, 08:19:09 PM
Bob the footage of the Stuka bombing run , they are using rockets ? I remember my dad saying the Stuka's big weakness was how slow & vulnerable it was pulling out of a dive ? Do you know if this was true ? The terrifying noise the Stuka made when diving , was that deliberate ie terrifying the ground forces with the 'scream' of the Stuka.
I grew up playing with a green metal matchbox toy Stuka.

The A-100 is the original beautiful 'BEAST' , I love that angry nose.
Nope 2x 37mm cannon, and I think they trialed a pair of 57mm, but the recoil made the aircraft come to a dead stop everytime it fired :o
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Re: Polishing a WWII Flying Fortress
Reply #54 on: May 31, 2009, 08:52:16 PM
This was the best plane in WWII.  The Dauntless SBD.  My father was the gunner in one in the South Pacific
 


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Re: Polishing a WWII Flying Fortress
Reply #55 on: May 31, 2009, 11:37:08 PM
Bob the footage of the Stuka bombing run , they are using rockets ? I remember my dad saying the Stuka's big weakness was how slow & vulnerable it was pulling out of a dive ? Do you know if this was true ? The terrifying noise the Stuka made when diving , was that deliberate ie terrifying the ground forces with the 'scream' of the Stuka.
I grew up playing with a green metal matchbox toy Stuka.

The A-100 is the original beautiful 'BEAST' , I love that angry nose.
Actually the Stuka had several areas of vulnerability.It had a water cooled engine with all the plumbing,a well placed piece of flak or shrapnel could put a hurting on the engine. Radial engines could sustain much more damage and stay on mission.Then the method of attack didn't help either,once committed to a bomb run,it couldn't deviate from the run and deliver the goods;and to effectively bomb meant coming in low,where every infantryman and his brother could have at whack at you.

And to you cb400bill  :tu: to the Dauntless.What they did at Midway was nothing less than miraculous.Their replacements the SB2C could never match the SBD in the affections of the men that flew and serviced them,and certainly could never compare in reliability.
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Re: Polishing a WWII Flying Fortress
Reply #56 on: June 01, 2009, 12:21:10 AM
You can keep your new fangled Hornet's, I'll take the mustang anyday :drool:

+1

Jets are so overrated :D

Any C-130 crewman cann confirm that!!

Yep, like those too.

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Re: Polishing a WWII Flying Fortress
Reply #57 on: June 01, 2009, 12:37:18 AM
BTW, to all the SAK lovers in our group(note: I'm one of you)
Here's a picture of a Swiss Air Force B-17.


During WW2 if US/allied fighter and Bomber aircraft suffered "mechanical problems" or too much battle damage to make to make it home to England. Then they were ordered to fly to the nearest neutral country(i.e.Switzerlan or Sweden). The US/allied plane lands in Switzerland and were hence interred until the wars end and aircraft were impounded.

Infact, so many aircraft were impounded the SAF replace their aging Messerschmitt fleet with impounded P-51 Mustangs,And created their own Bomber Group with impounded B-17s :tu:
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Re: Polishing a WWII Flying Fortress
Reply #58 on: June 01, 2009, 03:37:30 AM
Bob the footage of the Stuka bombing run , they are using rockets ? I remember my dad saying the Stuka's big weakness was how slow & vulnerable it was pulling out of a dive ? Do you know if this was true ? The terrifying noise the Stuka made when diving , was that deliberate ie terrifying the ground forces with the 'scream' of the Stuka.
I grew up playing with a green metal matchbox toy Stuka.

The A-100 is the original beautiful 'BEAST' , I love that angry nose.
Nope 2x 37mm cannon, and I think they trialed a pair of 57mm, but the recoil made the aircraft come to a dead stop everytime it fired :o
Thanks Mike.



Bob the footage of the Stuka bombing run , they are using rockets ? I remember my dad saying the Stuka's big weakness was how slow & vulnerable it was pulling out of a dive ? Do you know if this was true ? The terrifying noise the Stuka made when diving , was that deliberate ie terrifying the ground forces with the 'scream' of the Stuka.
I grew up playing with a green metal matchbox toy Stuka.

The A-100 is the original beautiful 'BEAST' , I love that angry nose.
Actually the Stuka had several areas of vulnerability.It had a water cooled engine with all the plumbing,a well placed piece of flak or shrapnel could put a hurting on the engine. Radial engines could sustain much more damage and stay on mission.Then the method of attack didn't help either,once committed to a bomb run,it couldn't deviate from the run and deliver the goods;and to effectively bomb meant coming in low,where every infantryman and his brother could have at whack at you.

And to you cb400bill  :tu: to the Dauntless.What they did at Midway was nothing less than miraculous.Their replacements the SB2C could never match the SBD in the affections of the men that flew and serviced them,and certainly could never compare in reliability.


Thanks for answering for the other Bob , Bob  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

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Re: Polishing a WWII Flying Fortress
Reply #59 on: June 01, 2009, 03:55:12 AM
Mat---stealing other people's thunder is one thing I excel at :D Under development at war's end was the culmination of experience gained in combat,and it looked just like this.....AD Skyraider.Capable of a warload exceeding a B-17,it could strafe,close ground support,torpedo bomb,dive bomb;you name it,it could do it.
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