For me it's the saw regardless of model. I always have a SAK with a saw. I use it more then I ever use a scissors. The only reason I have a Climber is because it was only $3.00 ( got to have a beater SAK). The Farmer and the 111mm linier lock models in my opinion are the most robust models with a saw. If I need any other SAK tools the Swisschamp is always close by.
Quote from: gene stoner on July 09, 2015, 07:45:15 PMFor me it's the saw regardless of model. I always have a SAK with a saw. I use it more then I ever use a scissors. The only reason I have a Climber is because it was only $3.00 ( got to have a beater SAK). The Farmer and the 111mm linier lock models in my opinion are the most robust models with a saw. If I need any other SAK tools the Swisschamp is always close by.Well from the guy who designed the M16, I'll buy that. OK, seriously now, what do you use the saw on everyday? Just trying to expand my viewpoint a little.
Quote from: captain spaulding on July 08, 2015, 05:21:13 AMYou saying people convincing themselves the Farmer is more useful than a Pioneer makes no sense to me as adding a tool (any tool) makes a knife more useful. That is quite obvious to anyone. Nah. If it becomes heavier and bulkier for a tool that is rarely used in everyday life, it becomes LESS useful, not more.The argument that it feels better in the hand due to the thin third layer has more merit than suggesting the saw is a useful tool in everyday life. I'm just saying make the tool that comprises the third layer a useful one for urban or suburban people.
You saying people convincing themselves the Farmer is more useful than a Pioneer makes no sense to me as adding a tool (any tool) makes a knife more useful. That is quite obvious to anyone.
Quote from: Smaug on July 09, 2015, 03:14:05 PMQuote from: captain spaulding on July 08, 2015, 05:21:13 AMYou saying people convincing themselves the Farmer is more useful than a Pioneer makes no sense to me as adding a tool (any tool) makes a knife more useful. That is quite obvious to anyone. Nah. If it becomes heavier and bulkier for a tool that is rarely used in everyday life, it becomes LESS useful, not more.The argument that it feels better in the hand due to the thin third layer has more merit than suggesting the saw is a useful tool in everyday life. I'm just saying make the tool that comprises the third layer a useful one for urban or suburban people.I do not agree that a bulkier tool will make it less useful. That is your opinion (and thats fine) and for you this may be true, but you cannot generalize your thoughts and uses with everyone else. Saying a bulkier tool is less useful just because that particular tool may not be used makes no sense. The tool is still there and has a use.I do agree with you that for suburban living people the scissors are in most cases more useful.
Look at it this way, for edc, a climber or camper would be more useful than a Swisschamp, because the smaller size makes it lighter to carry. The size and weight of a multi-tool affect its usefulness.
Quote from: GoatDragon on July 10, 2015, 04:33:46 AMLook at it this way, for edc, a climber or camper would be more useful than a Swisschamp, because the smaller size makes it lighter to carry. The size and weight of a multi-tool affect its usefulness.Being lighter or smaller has nothing to do with how useful it is unless we are referring to it as being less useful. I just cannot fathom how anyone can think a Climber is more useful than a Swisschamp. More tool equals more uses which in turn makes the knife more useful. Its simple math here fellas. I'm not trying to get into a argument, but its pretty clear from where i'm standing. Maybe i'm just going bonkers.
Quote from: captain spaulding on July 10, 2015, 05:14:53 AMQuote from: GoatDragon on July 10, 2015, 04:33:46 AMLook at it this way, for edc, a climber or camper would be more useful than a Swisschamp, because the smaller size makes it lighter to carry. The size and weight of a multi-tool affect its usefulness.Being lighter or smaller has nothing to do with how useful it is unless we are referring to it as being less useful. I just cannot fathom how anyone can think a Climber is more useful than a Swisschamp. More tool equals more uses which in turn makes the knife more useful. Its simple math here fellas. I'm not trying to get into a argument, but its pretty clear from where i'm standing. Maybe i'm just going bonkers. A tool isn't useful if it isn't with me, and it won't be with me if it's too heavy to carry.
Quote from: GoatDragon on July 10, 2015, 05:27:28 AMQuote from: captain spaulding on July 10, 2015, 05:14:53 AMQuote from: GoatDragon on July 10, 2015, 04:33:46 AMLook at it this way, for edc, a climber or camper would be more useful than a Swisschamp, because the smaller size makes it lighter to carry. The size and weight of a multi-tool affect its usefulness.Being lighter or smaller has nothing to do with how useful it is unless we are referring to it as being less useful. I just cannot fathom how anyone can think a Climber is more useful than a Swisschamp. More tool equals more uses which in turn makes the knife more useful. Its simple math here fellas. I'm not trying to get into a argument, but its pretty clear from where i'm standing. Maybe i'm just going bonkers. A tool isn't useful if it isn't with me, and it won't be with me if it's too heavy to carry.GD,Cap is right in his logic....smaller and lighter does not equate to more useful....it is only more useful to you (as you just said) because you will carry it and use it. The problem lies when sweeping statements about a tool are made and then argued to be universal truths when they are really quite subjective and personal. If smaller and lighter equated with more useful, the a single screwdriver would better than a mechanic's tool chest in repairing a car.
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