SAK's - Corkscrew or Phillips?

[AimlessWanderer]

My logic path hasn't altered from higher up this page, though I have found myself carrying a SAK with a Phillips more frequently. Aside from carrying the Mega84 when I the mood to, I also modified a DofE as descrbed above (I call it The Sheepsfoot Duke) and that little knife has been an excellent companion through much of this year. There's been several times when I've ventured out without a pliers tool, and the Duke and the Dime on my house keys have dealt with everything that needed doing.

Edit: Typical! I type "higher up this page", and this becomes the first post on a new page!

  oh well, you get the idea 

[Gareth]

Hummmm....I still feel that SAKs "should" have a corkscrew, and I still don't use the back Phillips to turn screws very often.  However given how much I like carrying the Grand Prix at the moment I have to concede they must have their place.  I suspect this is due to the fact that the Phillips makes a four layer SAK just that little more streamlined and pocket friendly.  Not that I haven't pocket carried a four layered corkscrew SAK, but a Phillips based one feels better.  Three layer SAKs sit just fine in my pocket, Phillips or corkscrew, 5 layers and up I normally carry in a belt pouch where the issue is mute.  Perhaps I'd be OK pocket carrying the Master Craftsman?

[AimlessWanderer]

I'm actually that biased towards corkscrew adourned SAKs, and have such little knowledge of back Phillips SAKs that I'm going to have to visit SAK Wiki to see what a Grand Prix and Master Craftsman are

 

[Gareth]

I'm actually that biased towards corkscrew adourned SAKs, and have such little knowledge of back Phillips SAKs that I'm going to have to visit SAK Wiki to see what a Grand Prix and Master Craftsman are

 

Grand Prix=Mountaineer

Master Craftsman=Ranger

At least I hope that's right or else I'm going to look very foolish.

[twiliter]

IMO Spartans should have corkscrews and Tinkers should have phillips drivers. 

[cali-SAK-attack]

IMO Spartans should have corkscrews and Tinkers should have phillips drivers. 

+1 HERE , HERE! 

[AimlessWanderer]

I'm actually that biased towards corkscrew adourned SAKs, and have such little knowledge of back Phillips SAKs that I'm going to have to visit SAK Wiki to see what a Grand Prix and Master Craftsman are

 

Grand Prix=Mountaineer

Master Craftsman=Ranger

At least I hope that's right or else I'm going to look very foolish.

  Don't worry mate, you nailed it 
I'll probably still have to look again in future though...... 

[theonew]

A SAK without a corkscrew is like a dog without a nose.

[Syph007]

I sell modded super tinkers at a 9:1 ratio to climbers.  My preference for the phillips is now actually mostly based on ethetics since I rarely use a backside phillips or corkscrew.  IF the corkscrew had the same O.D. as the phillips I would actually have no preference for one over the other, but right now I strongly prefer the phillips as it sits flush with the scales and the corkscrew sticks out alot.

[theonew]

A SAK without a corkscrew is like an odor without a source.

[shadowrider]

For all you Tinker owners, are there screws/situations where you use the backside screwdriver, while others where you use the can opener? Or do you use just one most of the time regardless?

[classicrock]

For all you Tinker owners, are there screws/situations where you use the backside screwdriver, while others where you use the can opener? Or do you use just one most of the time regardless?

I used it for light duty tasks only and for recessed screw. When the screw is on the surface I used the can opener. For medium duty I prefer inline phillip screwdriver on my Spirit.





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[ogrdnet]

Corkscrew clearly. The can opener handles Phillips perfectly well and what will you look like trying to open a bottle of wine for that gorgeous chick with your Phillips?

Humm. there appears to be no suitable wine-bottle-opening emoticon.

I had a "My First Victorinox Plus" at the time, and found myself in a similar situation, but instead I had two beautiful women with me and a bottle of wine.  I pulled a MacGyver and pushed the cork down the neck and into the bottle of wine by using the end of my knife and a rock to send the cork down.

[jalind]

Corkscrew clearly. The can opener handles Phillips perfectly well and what will you look like trying to open a bottle of wine for that gorgeous chick with your Phillips?

  Humm. there appears to be no suitable wine-bottle-opening emoticon.

I had a "My First Victorinox Plus" at the time, and found myself in a similar situation, but instead I had two beautiful women with me and a bottle of wine.  I pulled a MacGyver and pushed the cork down the neck and into the bottle of wine by using the end of my knife and a rock to send the cork down.

That is the standard hacker's method of opening a corked wine bottle without a corkscrew. I've used the same technique with a wood dowel or a hewn piece of a 1/4" (or so) tree branch with a flat end and batoned the cork into the bottle . . . and why I never worry if my carry on a particular day has a back layer Phillips. 

[shibafu]

Hummmm....I still feel that SAKs "should" have a corkscrew, and I still don't use the back Phillips to turn screws very often.  However given how much I like carrying the Grand Prix at the moment I have to concede they must have their place.  I suspect this is due to the fact that the Phillips makes a four layer SAK just that little more streamlined and pocket friendly.  Not that I haven't pocket carried a four layered corkscrew SAK, but a Phillips based one feels better.

It makes an even bigger difference on a 1-layer I think.  I've been using a Waiter converted to an Apprentice lately, and it feels that much slimmer with the Phillips than it did with the corkscrew.

[ThePeacent]

I voted corkscres, as I usually put much force on backside phillips and they're horrible for that. My Spirit's driver locks, is longer, better aligned, and the tool itself lack a corkscrew so it is a nice match with a SAK.

[Padre]

Phillips for me.
I have collection of dedicated corkscrews and the one on every SAK is pretty bad.
Of course if I have feeling that corkscrew is needed I usually pick spartan before tinker.

[jalind]

Hummmm....I still feel that SAKs "should" have a corkscrew, and I still don't use the back Phillips to turn screws very often.  However given how much I like carrying the Grand Prix at the moment I have to concede they must have their place.  I suspect this is due to the fact that the Phillips makes a four layer SAK just that little more streamlined and pocket friendly.  Not that I haven't pocket carried a four layered corkscrew SAK, but a Phillips based one feels better.

It makes an even bigger difference on a 1-layer I think.  I've been using a Waiter converted to an Apprentice lately, and it feels that much slimmer with the Phillips than it did with the corkscrew.

My Apprentice conversions also feel slimmer.

John

[Don Pablo]

Philips in general, for edc carry, doesn't work very well here for the same reason that the philips is of limited use to Canadians-Different screws!
We seem to use mostly Pozidrive screws! Hey Vic, can you make a backside pozidrive please? 

In any case, I vote corkscrew!

[Oxford_Guy]

Both - carry a Yeoman or Explorer 

[powernoodle]

Since the entire world is held together with phillips screws and not wine corks, I think the answer to this one is obvious.  If I were SAK Dictator, I would banish all corkscrews and cast them onto the dungheap of history to find their final resting place.

[shibafu]

Philips in general, for edc carry, doesn't work very well here for the same reason that the philips is of limited use to Canadians-Different screws!
We seem to use mostly Pozidrive screws! Hey Vic, can you make a backside pozidrive please? 

In any case, I vote corkscrew!

The Vic back-side Phillips seems to work pretty well on pozi screws.  The inline one, even more so.  Whereas trying to use a pozi driver on Phillips screws is usually a disaster.  So if you're going to have one cross-head driver, a Phillips is the one to have I think.

Here if you buy a pack of screws they'll usually be pozi, but manufactured products tend to be put together with Phillips screws.

[Don Pablo]

Thanks for the alternative viewpoint on them screws. 

Btw, not right place to ask, but speaking of philips, whats the size of the philips on the 58mm rally/manager/etc?

[jalind]

Thanks for the alternative viewpoint on them screws. 

Btw, not right place to ask, but speaking of philips, whats the size of the philips on the 58mm rally/manager/etc?

It's a # 0

John

[jalind]

After buying this today in the large grocery section of a local department store (similar to a Target), my ambivalence is gone. Must have a Phillips and it needs to be the vintage Can Key type with the veritcal slot to open the Can Key cans that are still being made.



John

[firiki]

After buying this today in the large grocery section of a local department store (similar to a Target), my ambivalence is gone. Must have a Phillips and it needs to be the vintage Can Key type with the veritcal slot to open the Can Key cans that are still being made.

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John

I bet SAK pliers or a pair of needawlnose ones will work well on those cans

[Oxford_Guy]

After buying this today in the large grocery section of a local department store (similar to a Target), my ambivalence is gone. Must have a Phillips and it needs to be the vintage Can Key type with the veritcal slot to open the Can Key cans that are still being made.

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John

I bet SAK pliers or a pair of needawlnose ones will work well on those cans

Or just use the included can key?

[magentus]

After buying this today in the large grocery section of a local department store (similar to a Target), my ambivalence is gone. Must have a Phillips and it needs to be the vintage Can Key type with the veritcal slot to open the Can Key cans that are still being made.

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John

I bet SAK pliers or a pair of needawlnose ones will work well on those cans

Or just use the included can key?

Booooooooooo  Go back to the Can Key forum if you love them so much. Boooooooooooo - I brush my teeth with a multitool - it really hurts and my teeth are terrible but if you can't do it with a multitool it's not worth doing.

[Oxford_Guy]

After buying this today in the large grocery section of a local department store (similar to a Target), my ambivalence is gone. Must have a Phillips and it needs to be the vintage Can Key type with the veritcal slot to open the Can Key cans that are still being made.

(Image removed from quote.)

John

I bet SAK pliers or a pair of needawlnose ones will work well on those cans

Or just use the included can key?

Booooooooooo  Go back to the Can Key forum if you love them so much. Boooooooooooo - I brush my teeth with a multitool - it really hurts and my teeth are terrible but if you can't do it with a multitool it's not worth doing.

 

[Padre]

Victorinox MT oil works as a toothpaste sure.