Schrade St1 Made in USA vs New model

toothrot · **on:** July 10, 2009, 05:18:37 AM

Is there a way to tell the old made in usa schrade ST1 from the new taylor ones? in terms of say model number or packaging? I'm thinking of bidding on one but want to be sure i'm not gong to get a junky version.
Any other thoughts on this?

scrappy · **Reply #1 on:** July 10, 2009, 05:37:32 AM

the package should have a us flag on it I believe

Chako · **Reply #2 on:** July 10, 2009, 06:03:10 AM

Jaws also say Schrade USA on the old one

toothrot · **Reply #3 on:** July 10, 2009, 07:26:10 AM

thank you

Benner · **Reply #4 on:** July 10, 2009, 11:13:38 AM

One will look like it's made by my 3 year old daughter, and the other will look ok.

ducktapehero · **Reply #5 on:** July 10, 2009, 05:22:13 PM

Quote from: Benner on July 10, 2009, 11:13:38 AM

One will look like it's made by my 3 year old daughter, and the other will look ok.

Just remember that this is relative. It will look OK compared to the Chinese made tool, compared to a LM or Vic it'll still look pretty funky.

But they're big interesting tools, I had one for a while.

Chako · **Reply #6 on:** July 10, 2009, 06:09:04 PM

You know, I was thinking of getting one of the cheaper Chinese ones. I bet it probably isn't all that bad for the price. The older USA version is a quality tool, albeit a funky design...but that is part of its charm.

django.cj · **Reply #7 on:** July 10, 2009, 07:19:02 PM

I drive by the old Imperial Schrade factory on the way to my hunting cabin. What a shame.

MultiMat · **Reply #8 on:** July 11, 2009, 03:01:26 AM

Maybe read Bob's review of Taylor's version first, guys before purchasing/wasting your $

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,3765.0.html

Def might come along & post his picture of the Taylor's production facility/Toilet

I'm Still Bison · **Reply #9 on:** July 11, 2009, 03:17:22 AM

Quote from: MultiMat on July 11, 2009, 03:01:26 AM

Maybe read Bob's review of Taylor's version first, guys before purchasing/wasting your $
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,3765.0.html

Def might come along & post his picture of the Taylor's production facility/Toilet

He doesn't have a pic of their production facilities;but I do have a pic of their delivery vehicles.

Poncho65 · **Reply #10 on:** July 11, 2009, 03:32:37 AM

Chako · **Reply #11 on:** July 11, 2009, 03:56:32 AM

Yikes. Looking at the tool backs...that is a mess.

You guys are right, it isn't worth the 23 bucks.

Tinnie · **Reply #12 on:** July 11, 2009, 04:25:12 AM

Quote from: I'm Still Bison on July 11, 2009, 03:17:22 AM

Quote from: MultiMat on July 11, 2009, 03:01:26 AM
Maybe read Bob's review of Taylor's version first, guys before purchasing/wasting your $
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,3765.0.html

Def might come along & post his picture of the Taylor's production facility/Toilet
He doesn't have a pic of their production facilities;but I do have a pic of their delivery vehicles.

Good one

toothrot · **Reply #13 on:** July 11, 2009, 04:49:04 AM

I took some classes on turdology at the community college while i was in high school....

thanks for all the info and the laugh...

J-sews · **Reply #14 on:** July 11, 2009, 06:07:21 AM

Best to steer clear of the Chinese Taylor-Schrades toothrot. $:-\$

As far as identification goes, the easiest visual cue is the plier pivot. The made-in-USA Schrades have a large heavy duty rivet, whereas the Taylor-Schrades are completely flush on both sides.

Big pivot rivet on USA tools:

Flush pivot area with no rivet on Chinese tools:

If you're really interested in the variations of the Schrade ST1, there's more info about it in the Encyclopedia: https://wiki.multitool.org/tiki-index.php?page=ST1+Tough+Tool

american lockpicker · **Reply #15 on:** July 11, 2009, 06:19:20 AM

Theres also a layered metal one.

Grant Lamontagne · **Reply #16 on:** July 11, 2009, 02:50:29 PM

Let's also not forget the infamous photo of the blade on the new one not actually fitting into the handle.

Def

J-sews · **Reply #17 on:** July 11, 2009, 04:04:06 PM

Quote from: Grant Lamontagne on July 11, 2009, 02:50:29 PM

Let's also not forget the infamous photo of the blade on the new one not actually fitting into the handle.

Def

Another fine example of Taylor Brands engineering and quality

Grant Lamontagne · **Reply #18 on:** July 11, 2009, 05:13:33 PM

If it doesn't fit, get a bigger hammer.

Def

american lockpicker · **Reply #19 on:** July 11, 2009, 08:41:39 PM

See theres proof that something made in the USA is better than made in PRC...

Mike, Lord of the Spammers! · **Reply #20 on:** July 11, 2009, 10:05:06 PM

Quote from: american lockpicker on July 11, 2009, 08:41:39 PM

See theres proof that something made in the USA is better than made in PRC...

That's not always the case though is it

J-sews · **Reply #21 on:** July 11, 2009, 10:18:14 PM

Funny thing is, in this case I think the shoddy quality has as much to do with the USA element (Taylor Brands) than it has with being manufactured in China.

toothrot · **Reply #22 on:** July 11, 2009, 10:18:50 PM

Quote from: J-sews on July 11, 2009, 04:04:06 PM

Quote from: Grant Lamontagne on July 11, 2009, 02:50:29 PM
Let's also not forget the infamous photo of the blade on the new one not actually fitting into the handle.

Def

Another fine example of Taylor Brands engineering and quality

(Image removed from quote.)

Yikes, so they just bent in and crammed it in, eh..nice

Chako · **Reply #23 on:** July 11, 2009, 10:23:07 PM

A big hammer indeed.

That stuff actually makes a few of my cheaper pieces look like quality...and that is saying something
.

J-sews · **Reply #24 on:** July 11, 2009, 10:24:14 PM

Maybe its done on purpose, for stabbing around corners?

(thinking of that WWII German machine gun)

Benner · **Reply #25 on:** July 11, 2009, 10:32:16 PM

Quote from: J-sews on July 11, 2009, 10:24:14 PM

Maybe its done on purpose, for stabbing around corners? (thinking of that WWII German machine gun)

Blackbeard · **Reply #26 on:** July 12, 2009, 03:16:25 AM

The main blade on mine is not bent, and sits in tool correctly.

toothrot · **Reply #27 on:** July 12, 2009, 04:49:47 AM

Quote from: Blackbeard on July 12, 2009, 03:16:25 AM

The main blade on mine is not bent, and sits in tool correctly.

original/usa or taylor/china?

Blackbeard · **Reply #28 on:** July 12, 2009, 07:08:43 AM

Quote from: toothrot on July 12, 2009, 04:49:47 AM

Quote from: Blackbeard on July 12, 2009, 03:16:25 AM
The main blade on mine is not bent, and sits in tool correctly.
original/usa or taylor/china?

China. It just arriived today, clam pack for kmart, its decent, everything opens normally, have not used it yet. Nylon sheath has a clip which is a plus, may use it with another multi

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