benchmade slippie???

[heavy handed]

reading a thread on bb its looks as though benchmade may be joining the uk legal edc range,
it sounds as if they are gunna start with the 707 sequel design. 

could this mean we are gunna see more choice for us hard up brits?

i hope so, we need to be spoilt

[Benner]

Sounds good. 

Ideally I'd like to see some non-tactical slippies from these companies as I believe public perception is equally as important as legality.

[jzmtl]

I don't think lock or not will matter on public perception, people who cry about locking knives will do the same even if it doesn't have a lock.

[Benner]

I don't think lock or not will matter on public perception, people who cry about locking knives will do the same even if it doesn't have a lock.

Not sure if you were agreeing with me or not there  , but that was exactly what I was saying. 

[heavy handed]

very good point mate  ,
thats why ive held off from getting a ukpk, ive been waiting for a nkp "friendly" blade thats legal.

let the race begin lol ,
who do you think will have the largest selecion of slipits avaiable with in the next year?

Sounds good. 

Ideally I'd like to see some non-tactical slippies from these companies as I believe public perception is equally as important as legality.

[Benner]

very good point mate  ,
thats why ive held off from getting a ukpk, ive been waiting for a nkp "friendly" blade thats legal.

let the race begin lol ,
who do you think will have the largest selecion of slipits avaiable with in the next year?

Same here.    The UKPK is just too tactical IMO for a legal EDC and would get you into far more grief I bet than just a tiny, traditional locker (this is only my opinion, please don't try or take this as fact all  ) as it is just too non-sheeple friendly.

[jzmtl]

I don't think lock or not will matter on public perception, people who cry about locking knives will do the same even if it doesn't have a lock.

Not sure if you were agreeing with me or not there  , but that was exactly what I was saying. 

Meant to say tactical or non-tactical, it won't really matter to people if they are afraid of knives.

[Neil]

very good point mate  ,
thats why ive held off from getting a ukpk, ive been waiting for a nkp "friendly" blade thats legal.

let the race begin lol ,
who do you think will have the largest selecion of slipits avaiable with in the next year?

Same here.    The UKPK is just too tactical IMO for a legal EDC and would get you into far more grief I bet than just a tiny, traditional locker (this is only my opinion, please don't try or take this as fact all  ) as it is just too non-sheeple friendly.

From the general public yes I agree.  However, there's a very good chance even a small locker will get you (at best) a caution where as the UKPK isn't likely to get you a record unless you were doing something daft with it.

[Benner]

I don't think lock or not will matter on public perception, people who cry about locking knives will do the same even if it doesn't have a lock.

Not sure if you were agreeing with me or not there  , but that was exactly what I was saying. 

Meant to say tactical or non-tactical, it won't really matter to people if they are afraid of knives.

Ah, then you weren't agreeing with me.  

I disagree.  I think something like a SAK for example is going to be far more sheeple friendly than any Spyderco.  Knives do "scare" some people, but IMO some knives are far more scary looking knives than others.  For a legal EDC I think you need a combination of both non-locking (obviously) and a sheeple friendly appearance.  Without both of these it just doesn't work IMO.

[Neil]

A nice small sheepsfoot slippie would be good.  Bit like the Urban really ... but a third the price 

[Gareth]

very good point mate  ,
thats why ive held off from getting a ukpk, ive been waiting for a nkp "friendly" blade thats legal.

let the race begin lol ,
who do you think will have the largest selecion of slipits avaiable with in the next year?

Same here.    The UKPK is just too tactical IMO for a legal EDC and would get you into far more grief I bet than just a tiny, traditional locker (this is only my opinion, please don't try or take this as fact all  ) as it is just too non-sheeple friendly.

It's the same problem I have.  You can't get arrested for carrying a UKPK (unless you're being a numpty) but I really can't be bothered explaining the UK legal system every time I want to use a knife infront of someone.  The only time I ever felt the need for a OHO knife was when I was at work, so I had every good reason to carry my Delica or whatever.

If someone comes out with a OHO slippy in the £20-£30 price range, that I like, then I'll buy one.  Right now I just don't see the point in dropping any more money on a knife that I can't be bothered using.

[Roadie]

If someone comes out with a OHO slippy in the £20-£30 price range, that I like, then I'll buy one.  Right now I just don't see the point in dropping any more money on a knife that I can't be bothered using.

CRKT Edgie?

[Benner]

very good point mate  ,
thats why ive held off from getting a ukpk, ive been waiting for a nkp "friendly" blade thats legal.

let the race begin lol ,
who do you think will have the largest selecion of slipits avaiable with in the next year?

Same here.    The UKPK is just too tactical IMO for a legal EDC and would get you into far more grief I bet than just a tiny, traditional locker (this is only my opinion, please don't try or take this as fact all  ) as it is just too non-sheeple friendly.

From the general public yes I agree.  However, there's a very good chance even a small locker will get you (at best) a caution where as the UKPK isn't likely to get you a record unless you were doing something daft with it.

Hmmm, I'm not so sure.  The UKPK looks like a weapon (to some), where say a Fallkniven U2 for example looks like a softies little tool.    I personally would rather carry a U2 out in public than a UKPK as I believe (YMMV) that you would get far more grief for having a UKPK due to how it looks.

[Gareth]

If someone comes out with a OHO slippy in the £20-£30 price range, that I like, then I'll buy one.  Right now I just don't see the point in dropping any more money on a knife that I can't be bothered using.

CRKT Edgie?

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[Benner]

A nice small sheepsfoot slippie would be good.  Bit like the Urban really ... but a third the price 

The price on that knife is disgusting, you can get 2 Delica's for that money.

[Roadie]

read bold highlight.

Picky

[Gareth]

read bold highlight.

Picky

Honestly? Yes.

Actually the Edgie ticks all the boxes, but leaves me totally indifferent.

[Benner]

read bold highlight.

Picky

Honestly? Yes.

Actually the Edgie ticks all the boxes, but leaves me totally indifferent.

I think it looks OK, but only OK.  If I found a cheap one I would probably get it.

[Neil]

very good point mate  ,
thats why ive held off from getting a ukpk, ive been waiting for a nkp "friendly" blade thats legal.

let the race begin lol ,
who do you think will have the largest selecion of slipits avaiable with in the next year?

Same here.    The UKPK is just too tactical IMO for a legal EDC and would get you into far more grief I bet than just a tiny, traditional locker (this is only my opinion, please don't try or take this as fact all  ) as it is just too non-sheeple friendly.

From the general public yes I agree.  However, there's a very good chance even a small locker will get you (at best) a caution where as the UKPK isn't likely to get you a record unless you were doing something daft with it.

Hmmm, I'm not so sure.  The UKPK looks like a weapon (to some), where say a Fallkniven U2 for example looks like a softies little tool.    I personally would rather carry a U2 out in public than a UKPK as I believe (YMMV) that you would get far more grief for having a UKPK due to how it looks.

So, for whatever reason you come to the attention of your local Bobby whilst using a knife in a public place, you think you'd get more hassle over the UKPK (a legal edc item) than a small locker (illegal)?   I'm not  having a go here, just making sure I'm reading this the right way.

[Benner]

Yep.  As crazy as it may sound, I honestly believe that the UKPK would get you a trip to the station and the U2 a bit of a telling off as one looks like something you'd stab someone with and one looks like a tool "a cute one at that).  I have read a couple of stories now of people getting grief over carrying UKPK's as when they got to the station there was some confusion on whether the snap in the spring was actually a lock.  My "logic" is that something completely un-offensive like a U2 would not even get you that trip unless you were being an idiot. 

[heavy handed]

its weird how NKP think IMO, because no one has ever battered an eye lid at my vix solo ,even though it dosent lock it still has a blade lenth of over 3inches, which makes it illegal, but from what i can gather from the forum (as ive never owned a spyderco ukpk) is that a ukpk gets the reaction of a machette. its a shame as we all try to follow the law and when we follow it we are penalised for wanting a high end legal tool!

also , most of us use a locking blade without thinking about it in a form of a stanley knife and that is accepted as a tool. ( now im not to sure ,following the letter of the law would a stanley knife be illegal!!)

[Neil]

Yep.  As crazy as it may sound, I honestly believe that the UKPK would get you a trip to the station and the U2 a bit of a telling off as one looks like something you'd stab someone with and one looks like a tool "a cute one at that).  I have read a couple of stories now of people getting grief over carrying UKPK's as when they got to the station there was some confusion on whether the snap in the spring was actually a lock.  My "logic" is that something completely un-offensive like a U2 would not even get you that trip unless you were being an idiot. 

The difference being, people do end up with a record over tiny little lockers and (as far as I'm aware) no one has ended up with one for a UKPK; though a few may have had some of their time wasted taking a ride to the police station.

Five years back I think your assumption would have been pretty accurate but in these times with the officers on the beat getting grief over targets I certainly would not risk carrying a locker of any description unless I could prove need.

[Neil]

its weird how NKP think IMO, because no one has ever battered an eye lid at my vix solo ,even though it dosent lock it still has a blade lenth of over 3inches, which makes it illegal, but from what i can gather from the forum (as ive never owned a spyderco ukpk) is that a ukpk gets the reaction of a machette. its a shame as we all try to follow the law and when we follow it we are penalised for wanting a high end legal tool!

also , most of us use a locking blade without thinking about it in a form of a stanley knife and that is accepted as a tool. ( now im not to sure ,following the letter of the law would a stanley knife be illegal!!)

To the letter of the law a Solo is legal as the cutting edge is sub 3" but I don't think I'd carry one.  Carrying a Stanley knife in a public space without being able to prove good reason will get you arrested as its a locking blade.

[Benner]

The bottom line is for me, don't carry either unless you are safe to do so.  But I still go with my line of thinking.  Put it this way, what would you rather get caught with, a Spirit or a UKPK?  A Wenger locking SAK or the new Slip-it from Spyderco?  I know what I would, and I think it boils down to getting to that testing of legality (if you get me).  A small inoffensive locking folder looks just that and would hopefully result in a telling off or a caution, but if caught with a UKPK there ain't a copper going that's going to take a first look and just dismiss it.  It will be opened up, tested, you'd be questioned and then possibly taken to the station for further investigation.  I think that all adds up and is an important consideration as well as the text book legality of the blade.

[Benner]

its weird how NKP think IMO, because no one has ever battered an eye lid at my vix solo ,even though it dosent lock it still has a blade lenth of over 3inches, which makes it illegal, but from what i can gather from the forum (as ive never owned a spyderco ukpk) is that a ukpk gets the reaction of a machette. its a shame as we all try to follow the law and when we follow it we are penalised for wanting a high end legal tool!

also , most of us use a locking blade without thinking about it in a form of a stanley knife and that is accepted as a tool. ( now im not to sure ,following the letter of the law would a stanley knife be illegal!!)

To the letter of the law a Solo is legal as the cutting edge is sub 3" but I don't think I'd carry one.  Carrying a Stanley knife in a public space without being able to prove good reason will get you arrested as its a locking blade.

See, I carry a Safari Hunter frequently and don't worry about it at all because it doesn't look weapon like and bottom line, it is legal.

Please do note though that this is just my opinion and is pretty much based on no facts or experiences, but just by using my own "logic" (however cack it may be  ) and by asking quite a few NKP friends of mine what they think about certain locking and non-locking blades.  I know they aren't coppers, but coppers are real people as well (despite Nick  ) so it still holds some weight for me.

[heavy handed]

just measured my solo ive always measured it from tip to pivot thats where i was going wrong,  

thanks  

[Neil]

The bottom line is for me, don't carry either unless you are safe to do so.  But I still go with my line of thinking.  Put it this way, what would you rather get caught with, a Spirit or a UKPK?  A Wenger locking SAK or the new Slip-it from Spyderco?  I know what I would, and I think it boils down to getting to that testing of legality (if you get me).  A small inoffensive locking folder looks just that and would hopefully result in a telling off or a caution, but if caught with a UKPK there ain't a copper going that's going to take a first look and just dismiss it.  It will be opened up, tested, you'd be questioned and then possibly taken to the station for further investigation.  I think that all adds up and is an important consideration as well as the text book legality of the blade.

OK, we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one   In answer, I have been known to edc my UKPK but the Spirit only comes out when I have a good provable reason.   Let's hope neither of us ever have to explain the tool we're carrying to a member of the constabulary

Edit: especially Nick

[Benner]

The bottom line is for me, don't carry either unless you are safe to do so.  But I still go with my line of thinking.  Put it this way, what would you rather get caught with, a Spirit or a UKPK?  A Wenger locking SAK or the new Slip-it from Spyderco?  I know what I would, and I think it boils down to getting to that testing of legality (if you get me).  A small inoffensive locking folder looks just that and would hopefully result in a telling off or a caution, but if caught with a UKPK there ain't a copper going that's going to take a first look and just dismiss it.  It will be opened up, tested, you'd be questioned and then possibly taken to the station for further investigation.  I think that all adds up and is an important consideration as well as the text book legality of the blade.

OK, we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one   In answer, I have been known to edc my UKPK but the Spirit only comes out when I have a good provable reason.   Let's hope neither of us ever have to explain the tool we're carrying to a member of the constabulary

Edit: especially Nick

 

I think where I live may play a factor in this.  I live in an averagely country-like area where there is one local bobby in each village and everyone knows him/her because they used to stop their Dad's from doing naughty things when they were younger (because they have been around for that long).  If I grew up in London for example maybe I'd feel differently.

[Magic Bus]

The bottom line is for me, don't carry either unless you are safe to do so.  But I still go with my line of thinking.  Put it this way, what would you rather get caught with, a Spirit or a UKPK?  A Wenger locking SAK or the new Slip-it from Spyderco?  I know what I would, and I think it boils down to getting to that testing of legality (if you get me). thaA small inoffensive locking folder looks just that and would hopefully result in a telling off or a caution, but if caught with a UKPK there ain't a copper going t's going to take a first look and just dismiss it.  It will be opened up, tested, you'd be questioned and then possibly taken to the station for further investigation.  I think that all adds up and is an important consideration as well as the text book legality of the blade.

I would definitely not want to put that to the test. In my mind a locker is illegal without good reason whatever it's size or appearenccce, and I would have thought a police officer would view it that way too.  On the subject of the UKP my feeling is the sub 3" cutting edge and the fact that it's a slippie can't get you into much trouble really, certainly nowhere close to what you're in for if found carrying a locker whatever the blade length.

[Benner]

The bottom line is for me, don't carry either unless you are safe to do so.  But I still go with my line of thinking.  Put it this way, what would you rather get caught with, a Spirit or a UKPK?  A Wenger locking SAK or the new Slip-it from Spyderco?  I know what I would, and I think it boils down to getting to that testing of legality (if you get me). thaA small inoffensive locking folder looks just that and would hopefully result in a telling off or a caution, but if caught with a UKPK there ain't a copper going t's going to take a first look and just dismiss it.  It will be opened up, tested, you'd be questioned and then possibly taken to the station for further investigation.  I think that all adds up and is an important consideration as well as the text book legality of the blade.

I would definitely not want to put that to the test. In my mind a locker is illegal without good reason whatever it's size or appearenccce, and I would have thought a police officer would view it that way too.  On the subject of the UKP my feeling is the sub 3" cutting edge and the fact that it's a slippie can't get you into much trouble really, certainly nowhere close to what you're in for if found carrying a locker whatever the blade length.

So whilst shopping for example you would feel happier carrying a UKPK (black one just to add to it's Tacticoolness  ) than a regular sized locking Wenger SAK then?  I just wouldn't personally, but that looks like it's just me.