Differences between fuse models or 2008/09 models?

Chako · **on:** October 11, 2009, 05:43:22 PM

I was looking at the knifeless fuse and the bladed fuse and noted a difference in the spring locking mechanism.

It left me wondering if this is a Bladeless Fuse characteristic, or more then likely, a 2009 change. All my other fuses show the older locking mechanism. Anyone have a 2009 Bladed Fuse or an older Bladeless Fuse to see if such is the case?

Gareth · **Reply #1 on:** October 11, 2009, 06:40:45 PM

Good spot mate, I only have an older standard Fuse like the one you've shown. I'd be surprised if it was only on the Knifeless, as you say it seems likely to be a 2009 update. Those pivot points look to be quite a bit bigger as well.

DaveK · **Reply #2 on:** October 11, 2009, 06:49:42 PM

Interesting spot that.

All my Fuses (including the '06 Knifeless) have the left-most design.

Spoonrobot · **Reply #3 on:** October 11, 2009, 06:54:43 PM

If they've updated the knifeless Fuse I bet they've done the other tools that share that lock-bar as well. Those larger pins should address one of the main issues with the previous generation bars.

Benner · **Reply #4 on:** October 11, 2009, 07:38:40 PM

My 1206 knifeless Fuse is the same as the left one.

Chako · **Reply #5 on:** October 12, 2009, 03:26:29 AM

Well that is that then. A change in the 2009 model.

Poncho65 · **Reply #6 on:** October 12, 2009, 04:23:00 AM

I would also say that this may be what went on and pushed the ST 300 into production

They had to beef up the pivot anyway for the Core so they thought that they would just update the whole tool

Reason I say this is because that is exactly where mine broke both time the little pivot pin broke clean off

Good spot Chako

scrappy · **Reply #7 on:** October 12, 2009, 06:29:44 AM

very good info

rp252 · **Reply #8 on:** October 12, 2009, 06:35:18 AM

Aye, well spotted. That's good to know.

scrappy · **Reply #9 on:** October 12, 2009, 06:38:02 AM

I bought a knifeless fuse from eleatherman about 30 days ago and it is the old style. the change must be very recent.

Gareth · **Reply #10 on:** October 12, 2009, 12:35:02 PM

I think the only sad thing about this is that it makes the chances of them doing a Pulse update very unlikely. $:-\$ Down with Zytel and huzzah for rolled edges I say.

1jump2many · **Reply #11 on:** October 12, 2009, 03:12:59 PM

Other than from a collectors standpoint, what is the sense of the knifeless Fuse? Did Leatherman think that by removing the knife blade it would be able to pass by TSA? I think Chako is the only person I've heard about using one in a place where something with a blade would be against the law. I would bet in the US, knifeless or not, they would have it confiscated. People are easily freaked out and go overboard about such objects.

ari6126 · **Reply #12 on:** October 12, 2009, 03:17:23 PM

Quote from: 1jump2many on October 12, 2009, 03:12:59 PM

Other than from a collectors standpoint, what is the sense of the knifeless Fuse? Did Leatherman think that by removing the knife blade it would be able to pass by TSA? I think Chako is the only person I've heard about using one in a place where something with a blade would be against the law. I would bet in the US, knifeless or not, they would have it confiscated. People are easily freaked out and go overboard about such objects.

My friend uses one at school, where we can't have "weapons of any kind." Same reason I carry my Egghead instead of a MiniChamp.

Gareth · **Reply #13 on:** October 12, 2009, 03:23:20 PM

i think Chako's example is a good one, quite a few work places don't allow knives. Also think of all the folks here that carry a folder as well as a Multi, the blade on the Multi becomes secondary at best, why not then have an extra file instead of a second blade? That doesn't work for everyone, but that's fine too, it's all about having options.

Poncho65 · **Reply #14 on:** October 12, 2009, 05:46:50 PM

Plus for some of our international members like the ones in the UK a knifeless Fuse is a good way to not get harassed by the law

Funny how things have changed over the years I have only been outta school for 10 years and 1 guy I knew carried what had to have been a PST or PST II can't remember but he carried it everyday and alot of the guys at school would look at and/or trade knifes with the each other and 1 of our janitors

My how things are different now $:-\$

1jump2many · **Reply #15 on:** October 12, 2009, 06:14:53 PM

Quote from: Poncho65 on October 12, 2009, 05:46:50 PM

Plus for some of our international members like the ones in the UK a knifeless Fuse is a good way to not get harassed by the law

Funny how things have changed over the years I have only been outta school for 10 years and 1 guy I knew carried what had to have been a PST or PST II can't remember but he carried it everyday and alot of the guys at school would look at and/or trade knifes with the each other and 1 of our janitors My how things are different now $:-\$

I agree that things have changed, most definitely. Many places, not just transportation, are afraid of anything that has a pointy object in it. It doesn't matter whether it's a blade or scissors or file or whatever. Look at all of those sales on eBay of Classic SD's. If the TSA or other places are afraid of someone carrying a Classic SD, can you imagine what they think of a Fuse, knifeless or not? I personally think that these policies are way overboard but at the same time understand that it's the way it is, like it or not. I'm curious how many have taken a knifeless Fuse to a place with a strict policy and had it confiscated or told to remove it from the premises?

1Jump2Many

gafftapegreenia · **Reply #16 on:** October 12, 2009, 07:59:42 PM

Whoa! That's definitely a 2009 update. I wonder if the whole line got that treatment.

Great, now there are variations to collect!

And you guys thought you had all the variants.

joebw · **Reply #17 on:** October 12, 2009, 08:12:28 PM

Hi,

My SS Knifeless Fuse (0705 dates) has the straight sided, 6 groove lock release levers. A regular Fuse that I got in a combo pack with a Monarch 200 came with half-dog bone, 5 groove lock release levers. I don't know the date of that one as it is still in the package, but these only began shipping to distributors in late September.

I would imagine that this change will also be applied to the Blast.

Best - Joe

Benner · **Reply #18 on:** October 13, 2009, 01:22:43 AM

Quote from: Gareth on October 12, 2009, 03:23:20 PM

i think Chako's example is a good one, quite a few work places don't allow knives. Also think of all the folks here that carry a folder as well as a Multi, the blade on the Multi becomes secondary at best, why not then have an extra file instead of a second blade? That doesn't work for everyone, but that's fine too, it's all about having options.

Exactly.

Knives are a big no no where I work, but TBH why do I need a blade on a MT out of work when I carry either a SAK or a folder? I'd far sooner have the file in a MT which I then can take anywhere I want than have a completely unused blade in there which then limits where I can take it.

J-sews · **Reply #19 on:** October 13, 2009, 03:12:48 AM

Quote from: joebw on October 12, 2009, 08:12:28 PM

Hi,

My SS Knifeless Fuse (0705 dates) has the straight sided, 6 groove lock release levers. A regular Fuse that I got in a combo pack with a Monarch 200 came with half-dog bone, 5 groove lock release levers. I don't know the date of that one as it is still in the package, but these only began shipping to distributors in late September.

I would imagine that this change will also be applied to the Blast.

Best - Joe

I'm thinking like Joe, they have likely updated the Blast as well.

joebw · **Reply #20 on:** October 14, 2009, 12:36:41 AM

Hi,

As I look at the late model Fuse with knife, I see several changes that I'm going to classify as Type II Fuse and Blast MT's. These are

1. 5 groove 1/2 dogbone pivot lever replaces straight-sided 6 groove pivot lever.
2. Slots added in the side of handle to allow greater travel for the new pivot lever.
3. Slightly larger diameter pivot (1/64" larger) pin.
4. Metal around pivot pin extended further out over the zytel insert.

Anything I missed?

Thanks - Joe

J-sews · **Reply #21 on:** October 14, 2009, 01:31:10 AM

Quote from: gafftapegreenia on October 12, 2009, 07:59:42 PM

Whoa! That's definitely a 2009 update. I wonder if the whole line got that treatment.

Great, now there are variations to collect! And you guys thought you had all the variants.

Tsquare · **Reply #22 on:** October 14, 2009, 07:19:52 PM

looks like they used the st300 as a guideline for the new lock tabs.

DaveK · **Reply #23 on:** October 15, 2009, 01:02:27 AM

Quote from: joebw on October 14, 2009, 12:36:41 AM

Hi,

As I look at the late model Fuse with knife, I see several changes that I'm going to classify as Type II Fuse and Blast MT's. These are

1. 5 groove 1/2 dogbone pivot lever replaces straight-sided 6 groove pivot lever.
2. Slots added in the side of handle to allow greater travel for the new pivot lever.
3. Slightly larger diameter pivot (1/64" larger) pin.
4. Metal around pivot pin extended further out over the zytel insert.

Anything I missed?

Thanks - Joe

I only have the old-fashioned type Joe, but it sounds as though they've changed quite a bit there.

NeitherExtreme · **Reply #24 on:** October 15, 2009, 01:10:08 AM

So do you think they'll update the Kick as well?

Gareth · **Reply #25 on:** October 15, 2009, 10:46:37 AM

Quote from: NeitherExtreme on October 15, 2009, 01:10:08 AM

So do you think they'll update the Kick as well?

sorry, just trying out the now emoticons

gafftapegreenia · **Reply #26 on:** October 15, 2009, 06:57:55 PM

If they put locks on the Kick then there is practically no point making the Fuse just for the added scissors. Ya have to try and think like Leatherman on these things. They don't always do what we the crazies might think is perfect.

It would be nice however to see pocket clips on the entire line.

J-sews · **Reply #27 on:** October 16, 2009, 03:38:17 AM

Quote from: gafftapegreenia on October 15, 2009, 06:57:55 PM

If they put locks on the Kick then there is practically no point making the Fuse just for the added scissors. Ya have to try and think like Leatherman on these things. They don't always do what we the crazies might think is perfect.

It would be nice however to see pocket clips on the entire line.

Agreed!

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