Quote from: jim guy on September 22, 2009, 02:08:29 AMQuote from: DaveK on September 22, 2009, 02:03:08 AMQuote from: jim guy on September 22, 2009, 02:01:22 AMcould it be the same as LM's not being marked any more, something like the cant be sold in california if they say usa, but have parts from other countrys?I thought that, but SOG are telling us that they are US made - they just stopped labelling the tools that way.I have looked at a bunch of power locks none of them say usa, not that its that big of a deal, now if it said MADE IN ENGLAND I might back away ! just kidding.I like made in England stuff.
Quote from: DaveK on September 22, 2009, 02:03:08 AMQuote from: jim guy on September 22, 2009, 02:01:22 AMcould it be the same as LM's not being marked any more, something like the cant be sold in california if they say usa, but have parts from other countrys?I thought that, but SOG are telling us that they are US made - they just stopped labelling the tools that way.I have looked at a bunch of power locks none of them say usa, not that its that big of a deal, now if it said MADE IN ENGLAND I might back away ! just kidding.
Quote from: jim guy on September 22, 2009, 02:01:22 AMcould it be the same as LM's not being marked any more, something like the cant be sold in california if they say usa, but have parts from other countrys?I thought that, but SOG are telling us that they are US made - they just stopped labelling the tools that way.
could it be the same as LM's not being marked any more, something like the cant be sold in california if they say usa, but have parts from other countrys?
We knew you were joking though, as everything made in the UK is simply amazing
Quote from: Roadie on September 23, 2009, 06:05:21 PMWe knew you were joking though, as everything made in the UK is simply amazing You know Mike was born in the UK right?
Quote from: Benner on September 23, 2009, 06:13:20 PMQuote from: Roadie on September 23, 2009, 06:05:21 PMWe knew you were joking though, as everything made in the UK is simply amazing You know Mike was born in the UK right?But where was he 'made' Actually do i really want to know the answer to that
Quote from: ausjulius on September 20, 2009, 05:19:22 AMgerber is just bad and they were always bad , their american made tools are no worse than their chinese ones.. :S.. still hands down the victorinox is the best quality and for its price it has to be swiss made,In your opinion, this is not fact. Please don't make sweeping statements like that as though they were fact. There are plenty of people on here who think Leatherman are better quality than Victorinox, and that Gerber do in fact make good tools. I've nothing against you having an opinion, but don't try and pass it off as fact
gerber is just bad and they were always bad , their american made tools are no worse than their chinese ones.. :S.. still hands down the victorinox is the best quality and for its price it has to be swiss made,
The one thing I've learned to appreciate belonging to a few forums is I can differentiate thedifference between junk and quality. It really doesn't matter to me if it's made in the USA,JAPAN, TAIWAN, CHINA or elsewhere.It's made where it's made and it sells for what it sells for. It might be "made" in one Country. butthe "materials" are pulled from another.Having a few tools and knives from different countries has made me realize it'sbecome less and less important where it came from. Sean
Well said Sean, it really doesn't matter where a product is made. I would just like to see manufacturers be upfront about where their tools/components are made or sourced from. If quality is there it wouldn't matter , we'd still buy their product. Gerber fans are still fans regardless of the steel used, so why not stamp it on the blades and let us know. Same with Sog , Leatherman and others.
Quote from: Nutznboltz on September 24, 2009, 06:13:52 AMWell said Sean, it really doesn't matter where a product is made. I would just like to see manufacturers be upfront about where their tools/components are made or sourced from. If quality is there it wouldn't matter , we'd still buy their product. Gerber fans are still fans regardless of the steel used, so why not stamp it on the blades and let us know. Same with Sog , Leatherman and others.So lemme get this straight... they should spend more money with another machine process to tell you which country they outsourced their manufacturing to in order to reduce costs? I don't disagree... but it makes no sense from their angle. Stamping blades with 420J2 ain't gonna make it sell. =PNow as for releasing specifications... they should!
In Gerber's case when their blades are made in the USA they certainly have no problems putting the steel type on the blade, package etc.. So why not make that information avialable on all their other products as well. It seems to me sometimes companies go out of their way to aviod letting you know the facts. But it is also understandable that if its not the greatest steel or produced overseas why advertise it.
Quote from: Nutznboltz on September 24, 2009, 06:10:32 PMIn Gerber's case when their blades are made in the USA they certainly have no problems putting the steel type on the blade, package etc.. So why not make that information avialable on all their other products as well. It seems to me sometimes companies go out of their way to aviod letting you know the facts. But it is also understandable that if its not the greatest steel or produced overseas why advertise it.If Gerber start to label their blade everyone of them would have "recycled pot metal" laser etched on it. I had a gerber folder and it couldn't even stay sharp for 30 minutes of light work cutting a cardboard or two, and vinyl sheets. They have a few 154cm and s30v blades, but also quite over priced compare to equal offerings from other companies.
Quote from: Nutznboltz on September 24, 2009, 06:10:32 PMIn Gerber's case when their blades are made in the USA they certainly have no problems putting the steel type on the blade, package etc.. So why not make that information avialable on all their other products as well. It seems to me sometimes companies go out of their way to aviod letting you know the facts. But it is also understandable that if its not the greatest steel or produced overseas why advertise it.I suspect that you are right that manufacturers are reluctant to state where tools / components are made. You only have to look back through this thread to see what preconceived, sweeping assumptions might do to their sales. Scenario: Tool manufacturer 'x' produces a new tool that incorporates innovative new technologies, made from high-end steel and built within very fine tolerances. It's a great tool! Even better than that, by manufacturing in China, they can offer the tool at a price that competes with Leatherman, Victorinox [insert your fav brand here], in fact, it's even a bit cheaper!I suspect that some people wouldn't even give it a chance, because it ticks all the boxes for "POS". Chinese? Check. Cheap? Check.My point being that if some of your components are imported, even if they aren't actually inferior, you might be reluctant to advertise that for fear of the short-sighted boycotting your product.