Hubs vs deraliers!

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

And for all of you that think the hub/derailleur thing is confusing..Bianchi takes things further with a hybrid of sorts in their Bergamo model which has a hub AND derailleur sytem...this blurb is from their website:
  What’s the sound of one hand shifting? Find out for yourself on the Bergamo, a stylish commuter with the unique SRAM DualDrive single-sided shifting system. The Bergamo gives you simpler, more intuitive command of its 21 gears, thanks to DualDrive’s fusion of a self-energized internal 3-speed rear hub with a traditional 7-speed rear derailleur. Not only is the smooth shifting all controllable with your right hand, but you can shift gears while standing still or coasting. There’s a lot more to the Bergamo, including a light aluminum frame and purposeful commute-friendly amenities. It’s original design, in motion

dahon do a similar set up, and i,m not sure if its the best or worst of both worlds

but whats your preference?

[I'm Still Bison]

That's one setup that I think would give you the best AND worst of both worlds..I can only pity the mechanic that sees one coming in the shop for work.If I had to make the choice,I come down on the side of hubs.

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

That's one setup that I think would give you the best AND worst of both worlds..I can only pity the mechanic that sees one coming in the shop for work.If I had to make the choice,I come down on the side of hubs.

At last a fellow believer ;D :grin:

i,m with you if you had both i,d be a maintanence nightmare

[NutSAK]

I'm not familiar with any of the newer hub gear systems, but I used to work on some old ones.  My take is that in the past those systems were very reliable, but heavier than cassette/derailleur systems and much harder to work on when they needed maintenance.  You should also take into consideration that they don't typically require as much maintenance as the cassette/derailleur systems.

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

I'm not familiar with any of the newer hub gear systems, but I used to work on some old ones.  My take is that in the past those systems were very reliable, but heavier than cassette/derailleur systems and much harder to work on when they needed maintenance.  You should also take into consideration that they don't typically require as much maintenance as the cassette/derailleur systems.

thats why i like em

the newer ones are still pretty heavy but there a lot lighter than they were.

[Splat]

Hi guys got a debate for you whats best hub gears or derailers?

Internally geared is usually heavier and more $$. Yeah, you don't get all the crap inside because it's sealed but I've been happy with derailers so I guess I'll stay with them.

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Hi guys got a debate for you whats best hub gears or derailers?

Internally geared is usually heavier and more $$. Yeah, you don't get all the crap inside because it's sealed but I've been happy with derailers so I guess I'll stay with them.

Hubs are still more expensive but there a lot lighter than they used to be plus there really under a lot of developement at the moment too, so hopefully they,ll start being cheaper too soon

[I'm Still Bison]

Hi guys got a debate for you whats best hub gears or derailers?

Internally geared is usually heavier and more $$. Yeah, you don't get all the crap inside because it's sealed but I've been happy with derailers so I guess I'll stay with them.

Hubs are still more expensive but there a lot lighter than they used to be plus there really under a lot of developement at the moment too, so hopefully they,ll start being cheaper too soon

I don't doubt that hubs will get cheaper too,after all everything follows the money,and money is being spent by more mature riders that really aren't mechanically inclined,and more apt to to take the bulk of the work to a LBS and in their eyes and mind,if it looks simpler,then it is simpler

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

if it looks simpler,then it is simpler
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sounds like a fair discription of me ;D

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

I though I'd revive this thread, not just to annoy Bison , but to reveal so of my own findings on the subject

About 4 weeks ago I managed to damage my main bike, and had to send it of to have it looked at so it could be repaired under warantee

So for the last few weeks I've been using a derailer geared tourer , and I've got to say I really miss my hub gears ,
any theoretical advantage derailers may have just don't bear out in practice

So chalk me up as still being an ardent hub fan

[I'm Still Bison]

The Great and Mighty Bison is ANNOYED!! In all fairness,if I could I'd have 2 bikes,one derailleur for more open road riding,and one hubbed for in town.For me the makes that are offered with hubs aren't handled by dealers close by.To be honest downshifting in town on a derailleur bike can be a right royal pain in the________(fill in the blank)

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

The Great and Mighty Bison is ANNOYED!! In all fairness,if I could I'd have 2 bikes,one derailleur for more open road riding,and one hubbed for in town.For me the makes that are offered with hubs aren't handled by dealers close by.To be honest downshifting in town on a derailleur bike can be a right royal pain in the________(fill in the blank)

Thats the main reason why I like Hubs so much. there so much stopping and starting on my commute, that just being able to select the right gear at a standstill is a real advantage, but year on the open road, derailuers make a lot of sence

[CQC-7]

I usually use one gear for riding through town, the one that makes me go the fastest.  On my rides I make it through town in about 10 min or less.  Most of my riding is through the country so there is not much shifting except when I get to an incline.

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

I usually use one gear for riding through town, the one that makes me go the fastest.  On my rides I make it through town in about 10 min or less.  Most of my riding is through the country so there is not much shifting except when I get to an incline.

Sounds like your lucky and live somewhere flat

[CQC-7]

Not really that flat.  The town that I am talking about is on an Ohio River floodplain.  I drop down into town, go through town which is flat, and then back up the hill to home.  It makes for a nice ride.  It is about 15 miles or so and I usually do it in about 40-60min depending on the weather.

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Not really that flat.  The town that I am talking about is on an Ohio River floodplain.  I drop down into town, go through town which is flat, and then back up the hill to home.  It makes for a nice ride.  It is about 15 miles or so and I usually do it in about 40-60min depending on the weather.

That's not a bad time for that sorta distance , unfortunatly were I live in kent it's all hills!

[I'm Still Bison]

Micky this is the kind of terrain CQC-7 and I both have to contend with.CQC-7,that town's Gallipolis,familiar with it?

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Whoa those hills look steep , there must be at least 3 degrees of elevation

[CQC-7]

I did a archaeological project in Point Pleasant and I stayed in Gallipolis almost 2 years ago.  It was the week I returned to work after getting married in 2005.  We went across the river and visited the Mothman Statue.  It was creepy looking.   Are you from Gallipolis?   

[I'm Still Bison]

I'm from downriver in Ironton.,,most people pronounce it Arnton    About the Mothman statue do you mean cheesey creepy,or creepy creepy For truly creepy,just upriver from Point Pleasant in Lakin are(maybe were) the hulking shell of the old state mental hospital...just passing that place made me VERY unsettled,and a career spent in public safety,EMS,LEO,and volunteer firefighter,that says something.

[I'm Still Bison]

Whoa those hills look steep , there must be at least 3 degrees of elevation

But sure makes for some fun sledding on snowy days!!!!

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Whoa those hills look steep , there must be at least 3 degrees of elevation

But sure makes for some fun sledding on snowy days!!!!

, I bet you got a lot of 'push faster daddy'

[I'm Still Bison]

Whoa those hills look steep , there must be at least 3 degrees of elevation

But sure makes for some fun sledding on snowy days!!!!

, I bet you got a lot of 'push faster daddy'

           And now going into the second generation

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Whoa those hills look steep , there must be at least 3 degrees of elevation

But sure makes for some fun sledding on snowy days!!!!

, I bet you got a lot of 'push faster daddy'

           And now going into the second generation

Your gona be knacked this winter then

[Grant Lamontagne]

Why do you think he rides a bike all summer?  Got to keep in shape for the winter!

Def

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Why do you think he rides a bike all summer?  Got to keep in shape for the winter!

Def

Nah he just needs one of these to tow the sled behind him...

[Roadie]

He could get some snow tyres for his bike and pull them along!!

[CQC-7]

The priest of the church I belong to was the priest in one of the churches in Ironton a few years ago.  I am familliar with that area.  My friends and I were looking for a place to eat one night and we ended up driving through Ironton.  Whatever county Ashland is in is a dry county and it really sucked to not have beer.  Anyway, we ended up across the river and it took us quite a while to find our way back to the hotel.  You are no more than 3 hours from where I live.  I like that area of Ohio.

Sledding is fun going down the hills but walking up them is a bitch.      

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

He could get some snow tyres for his bike and pull them along!!

Great minds think alike, or in this case 25 seconds later

[Roadie]

He could get some snow tyres for his bike and pull them along!!

Great minds think alike, or in this case 25 seconds later

I think fools seldom differ is more apt in this case!