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I did it- I broke down and bought a Charge 5245

Head Turd Polisher Administrator He Who Has The Most Nuts, Wins! Posts: 59,451 Optimum instrumentum est inter aures
I did it- I broke down and bought a Charge
« on: May 21, 2007, 08:38:50 PM »
I cashed in some Canadian Tire money and paid significantly more than I probably should have for a Charge XTi, but I rationalized it by telling myself that it was discontinued, I may not find another one, the Canadian Tire money I amassed was enough to cover off a good portion of it and I am probably the last person here to have one.  At the very least I have been trying to get one of each series of tool just to be able to keep up with discussion.  Unfortunately, it's rare that my income keeps up with that mentality!   :twak:

Anyways, I broke down today and bought an XTi, at full retail price.  The urge has been nagging at me for a little while now, plus I have those saw blades that J-Sews sent me a while back and I feel guilty for not having tested them yet, so I gave in.

This might be a result of my expectations being too high after hearing from nearly everyone on the planet saying how great it was, but I have to say I am unimpressed so far, especially for the price.

The file grinds noticeably against the nice titanium handles, which doesn't make me happy since I paid extra for titanium that will soon be worn away.  I am glad that they put in the diamond file though- some of you may remember me saying a time or two that I think the diamond file is pretty darned good.  Of course I miss the groove down the center for sharpening darts, hooks etc.

The serrated/gutting blade seems odd to me.  I don't think I care much for the orientation of the hook, but then I am more likely to use it as a rescue blade than a gutting blade since I don't hunt.  If one was to try to cut themselves free of a seatbelt with this knife they'd likely end up with bigger problems than increased insurance rates.  Also, why isn't the gutting blade also made out of 154CM?  It seems to me that if you are going to sell a tool like this as being so much greater because it has a fancy steel blade, you are also putting it down for having a non fancy steel blade as well...

The pocket clip is a good idea to me... but only because you can't seem to fit the Charge and the bit holder in the sheath at the same time.  I got the leather sheath, which I really like- it's solidly built out of REAL leather, and I like the look and feel of it.  It also has elastic sides which I think is a great compromise between flexibility and strength.  Maybe it will loosen up to the point where I can fit both in eventually, but if I can't get the tool out, I am likely to carry another, more convenient one and leave this one at home where it's not getting broken in. 

The less said about a removable lanyard ring the better, although I can see some benefits to it now that I actually have one in my hand.  Overall, I still don;t see the point or a removable or folding lanyard ring.  Bolt a small one to the outside like the old PST series or SOGs and be done with it.

Speaking of not seeing the point, I am also wondering about the use of titanium in this one.  To me there are only three reasons to use titanium, and only two of those are legitimate.  One- Makes the tool lighter.  Two- Makes the tool stronger.  Three- Makes the tool seem cooler so tactical mall ninjas will but it thinking their pliers are high tech.  Well people, I hate to step on anyone's toes, but PLIERS ARE NOT HIGH TECH.  The space shuttles are high tech, the operating theatre of your local hospital is high tech, pliers are manual tools.  Since I don't know of anyone ever having crushed a multi in their hands (except maybe that kid on YouTube) I don't know why they would have to be made stronger, and given that the Charge is actually well over a quarter of an ounce heavier than the old Wave, the titanium certainly isn't helping there either.

The last thing I don't care for is the tool compliment inside.  Three bit drivers and a can opener?  Who the hell thought of that?  I could understand two bit drivers maybe- the big one and the small one, but why the heck would I want two of the same thing?  It certainly isn't to hold additional bits because the bit holder that keeps the tool from fitting in the sheath has six double ended bits and space for four more.  What about getting rid of one of them and putting in something useful, like scissors?  An awl?  A corkscrew?

I really hate to be this negative about a tool, especially one from such a distinguished manufacturer like Leatherman and I can't help but think that there's got to be something I am missing about this thing, but so far I am so utterly disappointed in it that I'm not even certain I am going to keep it, despite it being a discontinued collectible.

Please, Charge fans, enlighten me as to the amazing allure of this tool, because I just don't get it.  I hope that the newer models are significantly better than this one.  For the cost, I could have gotten a Spirit and a SwissTool, and covered shipping with a little left over.

Def



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Re: I did it- I broke down and bought a Charge
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2007, 09:16:49 PM »
Yeah the bit holders are ridiculous on the XTi, I spotted that even when I was a complete multitool noob and went with the TTi instead. Glad I did, I love my Charge, never put it down now, it'll be my EDC for a long time no matter what other tools or SAKs I acquire I think.
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Re: I did it- I broke down and bought a Charge
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2007, 09:22:59 PM »
Even with the TTI, I can understand your frustration about the normal steel serrated blade, it makes no sense to me either. IMO it should also be S30V, however one possible reason I can think of of why it is normal steel is so it is not impossible to sharpen, especially since its not plain edged like the other one.

I believe the TTi has a much better internal tool set than the XTI, but I still feel its lacking something. I dont see myself ever really using the small bit driver or large screwdriver, and wish I could get them replaced, but also dont yet know what I would want there instead. Hopefully when Bob starts producing awl and chisel bits, everyone with a LM with a bit driver will feel pleased, two extra free functions (apart from the surge which already has an awl, but still no chisel)!
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Re: I did it- I broke down and bought a Charge
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2007, 09:37:39 PM »
I never thought I'd have use for the small screwdrivers on the first tool I had them on, the Surge, but within a few hours it came in handy to fix my sunglasses in the car.  I would have thought that such a big heavy tool would have rendered a fine screwdriver like that useless, but I was actually very glad to have it.  My eyes are pretty sensitive to light, which stems from working nights for so many years, and during the day I need to wear sunglasses, especially when driving, otherwise my eyes burn and water like crazy.

If it wasn't for the teeny bit driver I'd have had to drive home like that, and I have been a believer in it ever since then.  It doesn't take up much space, and it's one of those things that can't be done by another tool in a pinch, so I am glad to have it.

Def

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Re: I did it- I broke down and bought a Charge
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2007, 09:41:30 PM »
I don't understand why LM just didn't make a single bit driver, with has a large hole to fit the normal bits, and a tiny hole to fit the small bit, and so save space, it just seems like a waste of space to me, since the ONLY use I can imagine for it is to alter my glasses, but I do that once in a blue moon. I am sure it can be replaced with a more useful tool.
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Re: I did it- I broke down and bought a Charge
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2007, 09:42:51 PM »
Very possibly... but the small bit driver is the least of my concerns with this tool!

Def

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Re: I did it- I broke down and bought a Charge
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2007, 11:15:16 PM »
   I've been reading things on this forum for awhile, however I had to register so I could say a few points about the Charge xTi. I've owned the original SOG power pliers, SOG powerlock and a Gerber. I now own a Charge Ti and xTi which I just bought about a month ago, having owned them for a while I now never leave my house without my xTi, I work at a computer shop and use the Charge daily.

Def, I have read a lot of what you've written and like it very much. However when it comes to the Charge I'm going to disagree with you and probably most of the people here in saying that having two large bit drivers and a small bit driver is a very practical tool arrangement, for me at least.

I've read a few post where people were saying the small bit driver is only useful for "eye glass repair" ... and I just laughed. I've used the small bit driver to work on MANY electrical devices anywhere from a PDA to a Laptop, and also to press tiny reset switches.

Having the two bit drivers makes perfect sense for me, I have come across many situations where one flat head was too big, so I just turned it over and the other side was perfect, same thing goes for Phillips as well( I like having the two dedicated screw drivers, as apposed to the Ti) It also comes in handy when I'm installing PCI cards in computers because  the Charge opens up and kind of locks in a linear position, this is a nice feature and beats any other multi tool I've seen.

I agree about the griding, because my does that too however it just barely touches the Ti handles, and since it's Ti I hardly doubt it's going to wear it away anytime soon. This also is another reason I wanted the stronger metal, because when I'm working with metal cases the sides of the handle often get rubbed up against the sharp edges but since it's Ti there are no scuff marks.

When I first bought my xTi it was extremely stiff to open and didn't feel as nice and smooth as my Ti (previously owned) but after a few days of using it the general operation of the tool is excellent.

My next tool I'd like to get is a Spirit, after reading so much about them. The only thing I don't like is not having the pocket clip option (I did see a mod for one though), bit drivers and one a one handed opening knife. The quality though is very nice it seems.


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« Last Edit: May 21, 2007, 11:19:05 PM by nautical34 »
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Re: I did it- I broke down and bought a Charge
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2007, 11:51:25 PM »
Jeez, one post and now I'm going to have to ban you....  ;D

Just kidding, I love a well thought out disagreement! 

The grinding thing is perhaps the most obvious place I can disagree.  The file is a diamond file, which can easily grind away titanium.  In fact, it's whole purpose in life is grinding away tougher materials than steel.  Had it been installed the other way around, with the crosscut steel part coming in contact with the titanium, then I would find it annoying, but not as concerning.

I do have the stiffness problem as well, but I figured that would probably loosen up with use and so I didn't bother mentioning it.  I've had enough multis that I am not too concerned.  If I had it a year and it didn't loosen, then I'd mention it.

Other than that, the screwdriver thing is a personal issue, but if you've been reading my stuff for a while then you know that I hate having too many flathead screwdrivers on a multi.  A bit holder is a great thing because it allows you an impressive array of screwdrivers (which I like) without taking up too much space.  To me, a permanently mounted, dedicated flat head screwdriver is a cop out for a manufacturer and a waste of space.  This is one thing the Charge certainly isn't guilty of.  They had the right idea putting the bit driver in, I just wonder about the sense of having two bit drivers, which seems like a waste.  I would much rather have a different tool option in there rather than a duplication.

Lastly, I don't mind a few scuffs on a tool.  I often refer to them as "character marks" and I'd certainly rather have them than pay the extra for titanium.  If there was more of a reason for Ti I'd happily take it, but that just doesn't seem like a reason to me.

Welcome to the forum, and don't be shy about voicing your opinions and thoughts around here!  I'm not always right!   :cheers:

Def

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Re: I did it- I broke down and bought a Charge
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2007, 12:53:36 AM »
I'm sorry that you are disappointed in the Charge Def.  I have the a Charge Ti and a Charge AL and the file rubs on the AL and not the Ti, which is something that makes me cringe every time I open and close it.  And I completely agree with you that the diamond file will rub away the Titanium. As a person who wears glasses and can't see anything without them I have found the small bit driver useful many times and I may use it only once or twice every six of seven months but am thankful that it's there when I need it. I personally don't think that the titanium handles serve any purpose other than bragging rights but thats why LM as the Wave with the same tools as the Charge Ti. Maybe it will grow on you with some carrying time.

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Re: I did it- I broke down and bought a Charge
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2007, 01:00:28 AM »
Well I will definitely give this one some carry time.  there have been other tools and knives in the past that I didn't care for at first but started to appreciate after a bit of time on the streets. 

This one will be no different- it will get carried and used, and maybe appreciated.  I just like to post my initial thoughts so that way I can make a big deal of what an idiot I was afterwards!

Def

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Re: I did it- I broke down and bought a Charge
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2007, 03:23:24 AM »
There's are a lot of differences in opinion about multi-tools on the forum but diversity is a good thing.  In the mod forum someone replaced the knife blade on a Leatherman Kick with a saw.  I rarely use the saw on multi-tools and probably use the knife most often.   Neither choice is right or wrong.  But in this case (regarding the XTi), Defender is just flat out wrong!!!  :P :grin:

Having the two bit drivers makes perfect sense for me, I have come across many situations where one flat head was too big, so I just turned it over and the other side was perfect, same thing goes for Phillips as well( I like having the two dedicated screw drivers, as apposed to the Ti) ...

I gotta agree with you.  I really like having two choices of Phillips and flat drivers.  This is arrangement is particularly useful to me since I use the pocket clip rather than the sheath and so I rarely (if ever) carry the bit kit with me.



Originally, I didn't appreciate the benefit of having two drivers and I chose to buy the Ti over the XTi.  But after using the Ti, I quickly changed my mind and replaced it with an XTi.

I didn't like the tool selection on the Ti at all.  The scissors aren't much bigger than those on the Classic SD (which is always on my keychain).



The flat driver is an uninspired addition to the tool.  I'd rather use the bit drivers.  The dedicated flat driver isn't even one of the nice ones (like the ones on the Core and Surge)--it's the same one that's used in the entry level Leatherman tools.  I know some people use it a as a pry bar but I don't trust it won't bend or break.

The file grinds noticeably against the nice titanium handles

It seems like the quality went down hill a bit.  My older XTi has much better fit and finish than my newer XTi.  And the file doesn't rub at all on the older XTi but it does on the newer one.
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Re: I did it- I broke down and bought a Charge
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2007, 03:25:27 AM »
Thanks!  (Didn't mean to almost get banned  ;D)

And you're right about the diamond file, the reason I mentioned it is because the file on my Ti is bent slightly (it was used) so it really rubbs up against the handle. At the place it rubbs there are no marks on the Ti, so I assumed if it's been like that for awhile and still hasn't marked up the handle I doubt it would QUICKLY eat it away, but yeah the diamond file's purpose is just that.


I hope you come to enjoy your Charge as I have mine, I was SOG carrier for awhile (Can't wait till the powerassist comes out) but I love the one handed blade opening of the LM's.



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Re: I did it- I broke down and bought a Charge
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2007, 03:35:04 AM »
...in case it wasn't obvious I was just teasing you Def.

I should mention that my older XTi is the camo version so the nicer fit and finish could be due to the edition rather than its age--not sure which.
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Re: I did it- I broke down and bought a Charge
« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2007, 03:35:23 AM »
Recently I had the opportunity to play with a Victorinox XAVT, which is a pretty huge monster of a SAK.  I had always thought that two identical bit drivers on that were excessive, but I came to appreciate it when I saw it in person- the bit drivers sit on top of small built in caddys that each hold three double ended bits in addition to the ones in the driver itself.  Since they made that many bits I can appreciate that they needed two caddys to include them all.

That's not the case here and while I may change my mind with some carry/use as well, I still have to say that I'd really rather see some diversity here.  I'm not a fan of several types of flatheads on one tool, I certainly am not going to be a big fan of this.  It has a bit driver, why add a second one, especially when there is a caddy that goes along with it and is (supposedly) designed to carry the caddy as well?

I appreciate that you guys like yours, and I may feel that way too after some carry and use, but this is just my initial impression, and so far it ain't good.  It seems to me that Leatherman designed these tools to be versatile, and tool duplication is kind of headed in the opposite direction.  And as for the scissors, I'd like to see the old Wave/PST II scissors in it.

Def

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Re: I did it- I broke down and bought a Charge
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2007, 03:36:06 AM »
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..in case it wasn't obvious I was just teasing you Def.

Well tough- it's too late to call off the sniper now! :P

Def

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Re: I did it- I broke down and bought a Charge
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2007, 03:46:01 AM »
And as for the scissors, I'd like to see the old Wave/PST II scissors in it.

Me too.



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..in case it wasn't obvious I was just teasing you Def.

Well tough- it's too late to call off the sniper now! :P

Def

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Re: I did it- I broke down and bought a Charge
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2007, 03:48:06 AM »
With those scissors and the diamond file I think the old PST II was one of LM's best tools.  If only the implements locked, we'd be set!

Def

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Re: I did it- I broke down and bought a Charge
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2007, 04:26:19 AM »
I'll have to agree with Def a little here, the settup in the xti model doesn't work for me. But I see it as a good option for someone who needs multiple screwdrivers and doesn't carry the sheath (i dont carry the sheath, but the Ti setup still works for me).

About the steel on the serrated blade, I actually would be disapointed if they changed it to a "fancy" steel. If I need to do something that might dull the blade badly, I like to do it on a blade that I know I can resharpen. I once tried to cut of a blown tire off the rim by the side of the road. After sawing at it with my serrated knife (KF4 actually) I realized I was trying to cut through some thick steel cables that would have dulled any knife!  I looked at my edge and it was completely folded over.  :oops: But when I got home a few minutes on the sharpmaker made it good as new. I don't think s30v would have served me that well in that situation, so I like the options.

About the file scraping: well... I guess they can't catch everything. Mine does the same thing and it annoyed me at the begining but I'm almost over it by now. Almost.  ;)  I posted a few of my thoughts over on LM's QC on this thread:  http://forum.multitool.or...g16081/boardseen.html#new

And lastly about the Titanium handles, I agree that there's not that big of a technical advantege. I personally really like the look and feel of the Charge models. I like the "full scale" as opposed to the partial on on the waves. If you tried to make the same design out of steel, it certainly would add some weight compared to the wave models. I'm actually not much of a "ti" guy, but I do enjoy it's use here. (notice I said "enjoy" not need, so I'm not really disagreeing with Def at all   :) )
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Re: I did it- I broke down and bought a Charge
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2007, 12:51:46 PM »
Fancy trash. Get rid of it and buy a core. It's the only tool that really works.

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Re: I did it- I broke down and bought a Charge
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2007, 01:41:39 PM »
For cripes sake! I go to work in the morning, everything's fine. I come home from work in the evening, and this whole place is in an uproar because somebody is dissin' the Charge!  :angry:

Seriously though, I have to agree with Def on one thing; the price they are asking for the Charge models is too high. Other than that, it's a premium tool. The size of the handles and pliers fit me perfectly, and no other multitool has a one-hand-opening knife blade setup that can compare.

The Ti arrangement happens to work better for me than the XTi, but that's just me. I can see where some folks would really like the twin bit holders. Personally, I need the scissors instead. I'm thinking the majority of Charge buyers do too, that's why Leatherman went with the arrangement they did on the new TTi.

I must admit, I've never used (or had an occasion to use) a cutting/gutting hook like the XTi has. I suppose it is there "just in case" a person ever needs it, like so many other functions on a multitool. I have used the removable pocket clip on many occasions, and the removable lanyard ring twice. Both work well. And if you need a more secure lanyard attachment, don't forget that the Charge has a "hidden" one in the end of one handle.

And the titanium? Yah, it's mostly for show, but it has some function as well. Pick up a New Wave some day and compare. Same size tools, but like NeitherExtreme said, the titanium has a much better look and feel and grip about it. Worth it in my opinion.
 

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Re: I did it- I broke down and bought a Charge
« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2007, 02:20:05 PM »
Hidden Lanyard ring?  I forgot all about that!

It didn't take me long to locate it, but it did take me a moment to figure out how to get it out!  No longer will the world have to look in two places for squirrels and provolone cheese!

Def

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Re: I did it- I broke down and bought a Charge
« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2007, 03:16:10 PM »
So let me get this straight- the XTi duplicates the bit holder and the lanyard ring, then has a pocket clip and a sheath and no one sees the redundancy on this thing?

I think it's a decent tool- very comfortable size and grip (unless you grab the wrong side and have the pocket clip on) and I also like the broader blade than the Wave, but I think that the tool compliment could have been better thought out.  It almost strikes me as something that the design team was going over budget on and finished it up in a hurry because the presentation was in an hour...

Def

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Re: I did it- I broke down and bought a Charge
« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2007, 04:08:13 PM »
So let me get this straight- the XTi duplicates the bit holder and the lanyard ring, then has a pocket clip and a sheath and no one sees the redundancy on this thing?
Def

I (and some others) hate carrying a sheath. But, if you're willing to carry the sheath, then you are 100 percent, without a doubt, and most certainly... correct. IMHO of course  ;)
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Re: I did it- I broke down and bought a Charge
« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2007, 04:22:45 PM »
I dunno- opinions like that could get you in some serious trouble around here!

Def

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Re: I did it- I broke down and bought a Charge
« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2007, 04:54:45 PM »
So let me get this straight- the XTi duplicates the bit holder and the lanyard ring, then has a pocket clip and a sheath and no one sees the redundancy on this thing?

I think it's a decent tool- very comfortable size and grip (unless you grab the wrong side and have the pocket clip on) and I also like the broader blade than the Wave, but I think that the tool compliment could have been better thought out.  It almost strikes me as something that the design team was going over budget on and finished it up in a hurry because the presentation was in an hour...

Def

I think redundancy is a good thing when speaking of carry options. I use sheaths maybe 10% of the time but would use a pocket clip 100% of the time if one was offered on more multi-tools. Being that the design for the Charge/New Wave series pocket clip system is unobtrusive and adds no weight to the tool I think it's a excellent set-up and actually compliments the sheath. There a no extra screws, no extra visible holes and the clip can be put on and taken off with no tools and stored in the sheath.
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Re: I did it- I broke down and bought a Charge
« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2007, 05:09:19 PM »
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I think redundancy is a good thing when speaking of carry options

I agree- that's why I carry a SAK and a multi most of the time!  But if you lose, misplace or break your tool and it's your backup, then you are without that too.

I am not arguing about the pocket clip design, and to be honest, I like the fact that Leatherman chose to include it so folks could decide for themselves rather than making folks have to buy it separately.  It's a well designed, functional clip and that's a good thing.

The problem is with the number of redundancies when it could have been made more versatile by adding different tools.  I would have preferred some kind of in-tool carry method for extra bits other than a second driver.  If the scales were made a little thicker for example, then extra bits could be carried in cutouts in the handle similar to the way some of the LM knives are set up.  Then the extra bits would be handy and you'd have the extra space on the inside for something like scissors.

Def

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Re: I did it- I broke down and bought a Charge
« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2007, 05:20:11 PM »
ok my thoughts on all of this....

The clip is a wonderfull idea, the ability to remove to put it on it's great, sometimes I feel like using a sheath and sometimes I don't. I even bought an extra clip cause the first month I had my wave I broke the clip off the tool. The titanium I do think is just for a cool factor since not much is scarificed in the weight dept, the only thing it contributes is adding texture to the surface of the too enabling you to get a better grip. It's sad that both blades are not 154/s30v but the plain edge is designed to be your main blade and the other to accompany it. So the main blade is going to hold an edge longer. Redundancy of tools, I like having the two drivers, keeps me from carying a bit kit around, although I do need one. The Xti is a great tool, but like with all tools, they have thier shortcommings. Leatherman is constantly changing and innovating the models that are released to the market. Some of thier ideas are good ones, some not so good (Flair anyone?) So if something isn't perfect everyone blames it on QC, I agree some QC differs from tool to tool but no one is perfect, take a look at Def's Sideclip to see an example of that! If anything was that much of a problem, something would have been done about it a long time ago, with recalls or such. In short, we all love what comes out of Leatherman and everyone is entitled to thier own opinion, Def has his and I have my own, he and I disagree on alot of things, that is why we work together. Without this we wouldn't get to see the two sides of the coin and help make this place better all the time.

*sigh* No too is perfect, and until one comes along.....flaws will be found and complaints will be filed (no pun intened). Until then enjoy what good things are produced by industry.

David
Sr. Member Posts: 290
Re: I did it- I broke down and bought a Charge
« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2007, 06:41:13 PM »
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I must admit, I've never used (or had an occasion to use) a cutting/gutting hook like the XTi has. I suppose it is there "just in case" a person ever needs it, like so many other functions on a multitool. I have used the removable pocket clip on many occasions, and the removable lanyard ring twice. Both work well. And if you need a more secure lanyard attachment, don't forget that the Charge has a "hidden" one in the end of one handle.
Does nobody use the cutting hook to open boxes or envelopes at work? Its excellent for that, its probably the most used tool on my Charge, plus it saves the razor edge I got from the factory on my main blade, cant wait to try it out on a fish this Summer aswell.
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Re: I did it- I broke down and bought a Charge
« Reply #28 on: May 22, 2007, 06:57:01 PM »
As a matter of fact I do, the gutting hook on the charge is real good for opening boxes and cutting stuff like the plastic ties the put on little kids toys, just stick the hook in there and pull. It's funny, designed to gut animals and we find another use  O0

David
Admin Team Zombie Apprentice Posts: 10,299 Aggressive in defence
Re: I did it- I broke down and bought a Charge
« Reply #29 on: May 22, 2007, 07:53:01 PM »
Have to agree with you Def , I've owned two charges and both had to be replaced due to faults . I found them hard to sharpen and not just because of the harder 154cm blade  ( I have other high end steel knives ) , the angle on the serrated blade is way off the sharpmaker angles so out the window went quick sharpening .The little post inside the handles that the pliers slide on when folding away gets bent easily  :(   The bits are hard to find when you drop them in a puddle in the dark because your trying to change them around to get the right driver .The tape measure isnt up to much . The scissors arent bad but I hit a staple once and they were never the same again  :( I found the titanium slabs slid about when you pushed them from side to side  :o  No awl , no chisel/scraper , no prybar . The only things I liked was the option to carry interchangable hex bits and the nylon sheath made great horizontal carry .
   I guess this came as no surprise to you guys  ;D


Dunc

 

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