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Swisstools the different models 83366

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Re: Swisstools the different models
« Reply #60 on: October 10, 2008, 08:21:05 PM »
The "General" forum is discussing the use of "soft" metal by Victorinox in the Swisstool. 
1)  Is bending a common problem with the tools?
2)  Has anyone stripped a driver head?  I stripped a phillips head on a Gerber.  It went smooth after one use.
3)  Does the straight blade go dull quickly?
4)  Does the wire cutter go dull quickly?

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Re: Swisstools the different models
« Reply #61 on: October 10, 2008, 08:50:57 PM »
The "General" forum is discussing the use of "soft" metal by Victorinox in the Swisstool. 
1)  Is bending a common problem with the tools?
2)  Has anyone stripped a driver head?  I stripped a phillips head on a Gerber.  It went smooth after one use.
3)  Does the straight blade go dull quickly?
4)  Does the wire cutter go dull quickly?

I know a little about swisstools so I will try and help

1) No its not common , In 9 years of owning swisstools I've bent two flat screwdriver /bottle operners . The first time was a slight bend when I had the handles open at 90 degrees for extra leveradge and it was replaced with a new one . The second was when I wrongly used it as a pry bar and bent it quite bad , straightened it with a spirit and its been fine ever since . You must understand that I used as much force my 15 stone could put behind it . They didnt bend easily .

2 ) To be honest the phillips on the Swisstool can slip if you dont push hard enough and can lead to rounding off , its not as bad as some people make out .

3 ) Its the same metal as any other Vic SAK , Can be sharpened to hair shaving sharpness very quickly because its quite soft  ( and rust resistant ) not bad at edge holding but the secret is to keep it nice and sharp , a little sharpening often . Compared with super steels like S30V that holds a superior edge but is a b*tch to sharpen as its so hard .

4 ) No not at all , have a search around these forums and theres a couple of vids I done on cutting coat hangers and barbed wire with no damage at all to the cutters .

Hope this helps


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Re: Swisstools the different models
« Reply #62 on: October 10, 2008, 08:55:15 PM »
I think Dunc's response is spot on with what others have said.

I think some people have touched up the phillips head a bit to get around the problem too.

Don't forget the phillips on the can opener too!  :D

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Re: Swisstools the different models
« Reply #63 on: October 11, 2008, 01:26:33 AM »
One more question:  Does anyone do any custom work/mods on Swisstools?

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Re: Swisstools the different models
« Reply #64 on: October 11, 2008, 01:27:51 AM »
One more question:  Does anyone do any custom work/mods on Swisstools?

Not that I know of.  The only common mod on here is the Spirit pocket clip.

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Re: Swisstools the different models
« Reply #65 on: October 11, 2008, 01:38:32 AM »
Why would you mod a perfect tool? ::) :D

Except for a pocket clip... really...

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Re: Swisstools the different models
« Reply #66 on: October 13, 2008, 09:06:08 AM »
One more question:  Has the side play on the head been fixed?  I handled an older Swisstool and the play was more than i expected.  I know it doesn't affect function but...

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Re: Swisstools the different models
« Reply #67 on: October 13, 2008, 07:26:22 PM »
My 05 is tight as a drum mate :)

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Re: Swisstools the different models
« Reply #68 on: October 13, 2008, 07:29:38 PM »
I have a ton of SwissTools now and only two of them have plier pivot play! An 05 RS and X.  :)

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Re: Swisstools the different models
« Reply #69 on: October 14, 2008, 06:41:05 AM »
Two '05 Swisstools?  Those are recent models.  Do they have the wider/taller head and the smaller pivot pin?

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Re: Swisstools the different models
« Reply #70 on: October 14, 2008, 07:40:45 AM »
Two '05 Swisstools?  Those are recent models.  Do they have the wider/taller head and the smaller pivot pin?
The pin really is only slightly smaller if at all, and yes they are a lot beefier too :)

To be honest mate, just get one. Forget what all the naysayers say, there a great, and nigh on indestructable tool :)

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Re: Swisstools the different models
« Reply #71 on: October 15, 2008, 02:00:35 AM »
I'm not a naysayer!  :pok: ;) :D I really like the SwissTools!

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Re: Swisstools the different models
« Reply #72 on: October 15, 2008, 02:07:39 AM »
Two '05 Swisstools?  Those are recent models.  Do they have the wider/taller head and the smaller pivot pin?
The pin really is only slightly smaller if at all, and yes they are a lot beefier too :)

To be honest mate, just get one. Forget what all the naysayers say, there a great, and nigh on indestructable tool :)

I bet I could break one. Destruction is my thing, when the mood takes me.


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Re: Swisstools the different models
« Reply #73 on: October 15, 2008, 07:32:01 AM »
Two '05 Swisstools?  Those are recent models.  Do they have the wider/taller head and the smaller pivot pin?
The pin really is only slightly smaller if at all, and yes they are a lot beefier too :)

To be honest mate, just get one. Forget what all the naysayers say, there a great, and nigh on indestructable tool :)

I bet I could break one. Destruction is my thing, when the mood takes me.


I did say nigh on :D

Nice sigline BTW :D

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Re: Swisstools the different models
« Reply #74 on: October 15, 2008, 01:21:57 PM »

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Re: Swisstools the different models
« Reply #75 on: October 15, 2008, 09:39:34 PM »
A quote I found regarding metal hardness. 

VICTORINOX is the world leader of Pocket tools (Multi-Tools and Pocket knives). For every activity, be it professional, in the home or during leisure time, there is a need for excellent tools and cutting implements. All Victorinox knives are high carbon, stainless, first grade, A-quality steel. They are tempered to a 55-56 HRC hardness for optimum edge retention. The wood saws, scissors and nailfiles have a hardness of RC 53, the screwdrivers, tinopeners and reamers RC 52, and the corkscrews and springs RC 49.

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Re: Swisstools the different models
« Reply #76 on: October 15, 2008, 09:56:56 PM »
Sound's right to me :)

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Re: Swisstools the different models
« Reply #77 on: October 15, 2008, 10:42:43 PM »
I'm guessing that was from a Vic website / seller, right? :D


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Re: Swisstools the different models
« Reply #78 on: October 15, 2008, 10:45:21 PM »
I'm guessing that was from a Vic website / seller, right? :D


Don't be so cynical :twak: :D

But the Rockwell's are the same as what I've seen quoted in the past :)

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Re: Swisstools the different models
« Reply #79 on: October 15, 2008, 10:49:08 PM »
I'm not saying it's wrong, but the expression "VICTORINOX is the world leader of Pocket tools (Multi-Tools and Pocket knives)" didn't come from a Gerber site did it? :D

I've no reason to doubt that the stats are right, but that bit is a just a tad biased isn't it?


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Re: Swisstools the different models
« Reply #80 on: October 15, 2008, 10:51:15 PM »
I'm not saying it's wrong, but the expression "VICTORINOX is the world leader of Pocket tools (Multi-Tools and Pocket knives)" didn't come from a Gerber site did it? :D

I've no reason to doubt that the stats are right, but that bit is a just a tad biased isn't it?


I would say they were the world leader in pocket tool's, maybe not so much MT's, but there enourmous Sak range more than offset's there relative lack of MT's imo :)

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Re: Swisstools the different models
« Reply #81 on: October 15, 2008, 11:00:48 PM »
It's opinion though innit?

Anyhow, we can resolve this once and for all when carl tells us where he read it.....


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Re: Swisstools the different models
« Reply #82 on: October 15, 2008, 11:02:20 PM »
Well were both be in bed when he does, and seeing as I've got to be up at stupid o'clock, I'll edit it if I don't like the answer :D

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Re: Swisstools the different models
« Reply #83 on: October 15, 2008, 11:04:34 PM »
It's cool:

It's a Vic seller!

http://www.amazon.com/Vic...ocket-Knife/dp/B000687B4O

Now, if it had been on Wikipedia, I'd have taken it more seriously :D


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Re: Swisstools the different models
« Reply #84 on: October 15, 2008, 11:05:15 PM »
It's cool:

It's a Vic seller!

http://www.amazon.com/Vic...ocket-Knife/dp/B000687B4O

Now, if it had been on Wikipedia, I'd have taken it more seriously :D


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Re: Swisstools the different models
« Reply #85 on: October 15, 2008, 11:08:16 PM »
I'm only kidding. As this thread is properly hijacked by now anyway, I'm gonna mention that I'm really loving this GAK that Mikko sent me.

It feels so much more serious than my regular sized SAKs. Is the blade on this the same sort of thickness as a Farmer? Or is that not a fair comparison?

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Re: Swisstools the different models
« Reply #86 on: October 15, 2008, 11:12:51 PM »
It may have to wait till tommorow my young apprentice, as I've just popped my sleeping pills :D

In summary I'd say, the Farmer feels every bit as solid (except the saw, but it is at least longer than the one on the 108mm's) just smaller and with more sensible tools :)

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Re: Swisstools the different models
« Reply #87 on: October 17, 2008, 05:46:31 PM »
Thanks for all the input guys.  I'm pretty much settled on a Swisstool X but since the Shot show is right around the corner now, I think I'll wait to see whats up in '09 before i get it.  By then, the recession will be in full swing and the prices will come down too.

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Re: Swisstools the different models
« Reply #88 on: October 18, 2008, 01:17:45 AM »
FYI even though most of you have probably seen this already, here's a good review of the standard Swisstool with good pics of each implement:

http://www.gkgraphics.com...nox/swisstool/index.shtml

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Re: Swisstools the different models
« Reply #89 on: October 18, 2008, 09:51:01 AM »
FYI even though most of you have probably seen this already, here's a good review of the standard Swisstool with good pics of each implement:

http://www.gkgraphics.com...nox/swisstool/index.shtml

No I havnt seen it Carl , thanks its a great review and I like the pictures .

Dunc

 

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