Are SAKs Multi Tools

[Magnus]

A couple of other things to consider...

We have multitool.org AND sosakonline.  If SAK's were simply MT's why have both?

to increase advertising revenue? *ducks* 

[Neil]

I'd say the Shark was the equivalent of a Surge, and the Fish a CRKT Guppie (see what I did there  ).

A SAK would be a squid. 

Bargain, I'll take it  

[Benner]

Hehe! 

[yud]

I'd say the Shark was the equivalent of a Surge, and the Fish a CRKT Guppie (see what I did there   ).

A SAK would be a squid.  

I would say SAKs are Sharks (top of the cool list), SwissCards are Rays, and leathermen type MTs are normal Fish.

But squids are really cool I love cephalopods

[Freudian Frog]

I'd say the Shark was the equivalent of a Surge, and the Fish a CRKT Guppie (see what I did there  ).

A SAK would be a squid. 

Bargain, I'll take it  

Oh, I get it. Haha! Because you Brits have a stupid money system...










Bartering in fish.

[Neil]

...
Bartering in fish.

Now that would be plain daft!  We stick with molluscs

[DaveK]

I can't be arsed to read all the pages, but has anyone pointed out that SAK stands for Swiss Army Knife? Not Swiss Army Multitool.

Whilst a SAK clearly (sometimes at least) have "multiple tools", it would also be correct to define them as "multi purpose knives and tools fabricated from steel and fabric". The point is though, that noone does - they (including the manufacturers and most retailers) call them Swiss Army knives. Victorinox don't describe the Swisstool or the Spirit as Swiss Army Knives, they distinguish quite clearly between them.

It works the other way too. Leatherman describe their similarly formatted knives with drivers (e.g. e306) as knives, again, distinct from their multitools.

All this "well they have multiple tools" is pure semantics.

[1jump2many]

Tell' em Dave!      That is why we use MT & SAK, not SAT or MK.   

[Raukodur]

I can't be arsed to read all the pages, but has anyone pointed out that SAK stands for Swiss Army Knife? Not Swiss Army Multitool.

Whilst a SAK clearly (sometimes at least) have "multiple tools", it would also be correct to define them as "multi purpose knives and tools fabricated from steel and fabric". The point is though, that noone does - they (including the manufacturers and most retailers) call them Swiss Army knives. Victorinox don't describe the Swisstool or the Spirit as Swiss Army Knives, they distinguish quite clearly between them.

It works the other way too. Leatherman describe their similarly formatted knives with drivers (e.g. e306) as knives, again, distinct from their multitools.

All this "well they have multiple tools" is pure semantics.

cant really argue with any of that.

[Freudian Frog]

I can't be arsed to read all the pages, but has anyone pointed out that SAK stands for Swiss Army Knife? Not Swiss Army Multitool.

Whilst a SAK clearly (sometimes at least) have "multiple tools", it would also be correct to define them as "multi purpose knives and tools fabricated from steel and fabric". The point is though, that noone does - they (including the manufacturers and most retailers) call them Swiss Army knives. Victorinox don't describe the Swisstool or the Spirit as Swiss Army Knives, they distinguish quite clearly between them.

It works the other way too. Leatherman describe their similarly formatted knives with drivers (e.g. e306) as knives, again, distinct from their multitools.

All this "well they have multiple tools" is pure semantics.

cant really argue with any of that.

Yes. It's semantics. That's exactly the point. What the heck?

[ratslash7]

So can we say that it is the format that dictates the nomenclature? i.e. a tool that is in a folding knife format is referred to as a "knife" no matter what other tools are included...Or is it a "Swiss Army Knife? (If I have a knife that has two blades and a can opener, is that a SAK or just a knife? What if it's made in Taiwan?)...  and a tool that is based on pliers, scissors or even folding pliers will be referred to as a multi-tool?

If this is right,where does this tool (mentioned earlier in this thread) fit in?

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I'm not arguing with anyone. I have read this thread through a couple of times and I don't know which side to take. Both make excellent points. I like to use the right words for things and I thought it was easy 'till this thread. I'd love it if us experts could straighten this out and (mostly) agree. Then I could feel confident that I'm correctly describing what's in my pocket to folks that are not on this board.

[Freudian Frog]

I really don't see what's so fudging hard to get about this. Multi-tool is an umbrella term for any tool that provides more than one friggin' function. There's nothing to get. Most SAKs are both a swiss army knife (it's swiss made, it has a knife, sometimes their army uses it?) and a multi-tool (it's more than a knife! except for the single-blade models)! A leatherman is a multi-tool often in a butterfly plier type format!

WHAT IS THERE TO GET?! ArGH!11

I'm going to cry myself to sleep now. Some people need to learn about data structures or something...

[Benner]

Whilst Frog cries, I will answer your question ratslash.

Going by MY criteria, that is a multitool.  Although it is a Wenger product, it fits in the MT bracket the same way a Vic Swisstool would.

[Freudian Frog]

Whilst Frog cries, I will answer your question ratslash.

Going by MY criteria, that is a multitool.  Although it is a Wenger product, it fits in the MT bracket the same way a Vic Swisstool would.

Out of curiousity. Would you consider the SAK models with pliers multi-tools? Or a knife that just happens to serve every single function that something else that you WOULD call a multi-tool?

EDIT: And is the Wenger Giant a SAK despite being impossible to use as a knife?

[Benner]

Whilst Frog cries, I will answer your question ratslash.

Going by MY criteria, that is a multitool.  Although it is a Wenger product, it fits in the MT bracket the same way a Vic Swisstool would.

Out of curiousity. Would you consider the SAK models with pliers multi-tools? Or a knife that just happens to serve every single function that something else that you WOULD call a multi-tool?

EDIT: And is the Wenger Giant a SAK despite being impossible to use as a knife?

You seem to be hooked on the plier thing.  That makes no odds at all.  If I stuck pliers on my toaster is that then a MT?  No it isn't, so a SAK with pliers is still a SAK.

[Freudian Frog]

Whilst Frog cries, I will answer your question ratslash.

Going by MY criteria, that is a multitool.  Although it is a Wenger product, it fits in the MT bracket the same way a Vic Swisstool would.

Out of curiousity. Would you consider the SAK models with pliers multi-tools? Or a knife that just happens to serve every single function that something else that you WOULD call a multi-tool?

EDIT: And is the Wenger Giant a SAK despite being impossible to use as a knife?

You seem to be hooked on the plier thing.  That makes no odds at all.  If I stuck pliers on my toaster is that then a MT?  No it isn't, so a SAK with pliers is still a SAK.

Yes. As I could toast stuff and... ply stuff. Not a very useful multi-tool, mind you... but it still is. Unless, you glued the pliers on. Then you can't really use 'em.



Is this a ninja star or a multi-tool then? Certainly looks like a ninja star. If I glued several tools to the tips of a ninja star it'd still be a ninja star? I say this tool is both ninja star and multi-tool! And what do you classify the majority of keychain tools? They certainly don't look like Leathermans or SAKs. Must be... keywidgets.

EDIT: Done for today, if it's still an issue tomorrow I'll be back.

[DaveK]

Whilst Frog cries, I will answer your question ratslash.

Going by MY criteria, that is a multitool.  Although it is a Wenger product, it fits in the MT bracket the same way a Vic Swisstool would.

Out of curiousity. Would you consider the SAK models with pliers multi-tools? Or a knife that just happens to serve every single function that something else that you WOULD call a multi-tool?

EDIT: And is the Wenger Giant a SAK despite being impossible to use as a knife?

That's a good question. I agree with Ben that those Swissgrips(?) are more like multitools than SAKs - perhaps because the pliers (rather than the knife blade) are the predominant (at least most obvious) function. If so, then A SAK with the farty little pliers would be a SAK in my book, rather than a multitool.

Which is where we came in I think

EDIT: I believe the correct categorisation for the Wenger Giant would be "bonkers".

[Magnus]

I really don't see what's so fudging hard to get about this. Multi-tool is an umbrella term for any tool that provides more than one friggin' function. There's nothing to get. Most SAKs are both a swiss army knife (it's swiss made, it has a knife, sometimes their army uses it?) and a multi-tool (it's more than a knife! except for the single-blade models)! A leatherman is a multi-tool often in a butterfly plier type format!

WHAT IS THERE TO GET?! ArGH!11

I'm going to cry myself to sleep now. Some people need to learn about data structures or something...

or, to put it another way

Code: [Select]

public class SAK extends MT
 

now don't make draw it in UML

[Freudian Frog]

I really don't see what's so fudging hard to get about this. Multi-tool is an umbrella term for any tool that provides more than one friggin' function. There's nothing to get. Most SAKs are both a swiss army knife (it's swiss made, it has a knife, sometimes their army uses it?) and a multi-tool (it's more than a knife! except for the single-blade models)! A leatherman is a multi-tool often in a butterfly plier type format!

WHAT IS THERE TO GET?! ArGH!11

I'm going to cry myself to sleep now. Some people need to learn about data structures or something...

or, to put it another way

Code: [Select]

public class SAK extends MT
 

now don't make draw it in UML

I was tempted...