Whilst I can see what has been said, look at the handle on that SS one. The lines are EXACTLY the same. Hardly a tribute is it?TBH I see plenty of other knife manufacturers making their own designs and I very much doubt we have just completely ran out. Poor show if you ask me.
The point is Sal designed that knife for Spyderco to sell at Spyderco to make Spyderco money. SOG have done sweet FA apart from cut a little (by the way crappy looking) slit in a OH hole and are still hoping to make money of of Sal's design - Sal getting nothing at all for HIS work.
I'm glad to see a few devil's advocates speaking up in this thread, and also that the discussion is being conducted in a polite reasoned manner. That way folks who know nothing about knives and knife history (like me) can read both sides and make up our minds for ourselves.
Quote from: Benner on January 28, 2010, 12:10:17 AMThe point is Sal designed that knife for Spyderco to sell at Spyderco to make Spyderco money. SOG have done sweet FA apart from cut a little (by the way crappy looking) slit in a OH hole and are still hoping to make money of of Sal's design - Sal getting nothing at all for HIS work.Just to play devil's advocate - where do you stand on the Cold Steel Kukri? Or the many Buck 100 clones?I see both sides of the argument here tbh, some basic knife designs have been interpreted by all the manufacturers at some time and I'm wondering at what point does this become "ripping off" another maker's design. Does the design have to be a certain age, or is there some other criteria?Also, why don't knife manufacturers patent their designs to make this kind of thing clearly illegal and remove the grey areas.
Quote from: DaveK on January 28, 2010, 01:51:47 AMQuote from: Benner on January 28, 2010, 12:10:17 AMThe point is Sal designed that knife for Spyderco to sell at Spyderco to make Spyderco money. SOG have done sweet FA apart from cut a little (by the way crappy looking) slit in a OH hole and are still hoping to make money of of Sal's design - Sal getting nothing at all for HIS work.Just to play devil's advocate - where do you stand on the Cold Steel Kukri? Or the many Buck 100 clones?I see both sides of the argument here tbh, some basic knife designs have been interpreted by all the manufacturers at some time and I'm wondering at what point does this become "ripping off" another maker's design. Does the design have to be a certain age, or is there some other criteria?Also, why don't knife manufacturers patent their designs to make this kind of thing clearly illegal and remove the grey areas.Cold Steel Kukri? In comparison to what?
Quote from: Benner on January 28, 2010, 11:44:15 AMQuote from: DaveK on January 28, 2010, 01:51:47 AMQuote from: Benner on January 28, 2010, 12:10:17 AMThe point is Sal designed that knife for Spyderco to sell at Spyderco to make Spyderco money. SOG have done sweet FA apart from cut a little (by the way crappy looking) slit in a OH hole and are still hoping to make money of of Sal's design - Sal getting nothing at all for HIS work.Just to play devil's advocate - where do you stand on the Cold Steel Kukri? Or the many Buck 100 clones?I see both sides of the argument here tbh, some basic knife designs have been interpreted by all the manufacturers at some time and I'm wondering at what point does this become "ripping off" another maker's design. Does the design have to be a certain age, or is there some other criteria?Also, why don't knife manufacturers patent their designs to make this kind of thing clearly illegal and remove the grey areas.Cold Steel Kukri? In comparison to what?I think the point is that Cold Steel certainly didn't invent the Kukri blade shape and yet no-one is shooting them down in flames for copying it. Not for their kukri anyway.
I guess age does play a part (sorry was in folder mode before). Mr Kukri or the company behind it (if you get me) are long gone and whilst that doesn't necessarily make it OK, Cold Steel's Kukri isn't putting someone else possibly out of pocket and competing for sales. Sal still sells the Police model yet SOG still deem it OK to sell this one.If Vic sold a PST copy but just had more holes drilled in the handles, we wouldn't see that as being OK would we? I know I wouldn't.
But SOG haven't even done that. From the pics, they seem to have changed the blade shape a bit and cut a bit out the hole (as in the "Police" example). I doubt either of those were regarded as improvements, more just trying to make it a bit different. The handle shape, lock, material, is all the same.
I know you know. Was just speaking (writing) out loud.
“You can be assured that we at SOG work hard to protect our trademark and intellectual properties, while at the same time working to respect the intellectual property of others.”I really noticed that when I bought a counterfeit SOG knife and reported the seller to SOG, not a single word from them, they didn’t even send me an e-mail confirming that they had gotten my mail. I even mailed them a second time with some more information about the seller but still no word.I also bought a Spyderco from the same seller that was also counterfeit so I reported him to Spyderco also, they on the other hand gave me a quick response that the mail had been sent to the legal department and within 2 weeks I got a mail from the head of the legal department thanking me for the mail.
Quote from: Medic82 on January 26, 2010, 06:57:41 PM“You can be assured that we at SOG work hard to protect our trademark and intellectual properties, while at the same time working to respect the intellectual property of others.”I really noticed that when I bought a counterfeit SOG knife and reported the seller to SOG, not a single word from them, they didn’t even send me an e-mail confirming that they had gotten my mail. I even mailed them a second time with some more information about the seller but still no word.I also bought a Spyderco from the same seller that was also counterfeit so I reported him to Spyderco also, they on the other hand gave me a quick response that the mail had been sent to the legal department and within 2 weeks I got a mail from the head of the legal department thanking me for the mail.How can you recognize a knife as a counterfeit?Thanks!