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Re: Skeletool???
Reply #90 on: August 20, 2007, 05:53:11 AM
Thanks for the link..it'll clear up a lot of confusion about the Freestyle/Skeletool. I peaked on down,and took a look at the Buck Twin Peaks....so help me,I like it,I don't know why,but I like it.
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Reply #91 on: August 20, 2007, 07:01:04 AM
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Leatherman showed off their new Skeletool in both plain and fancy dress, the Skeletool ($72) and Skeletool CX ($96). They are scheduled to start shipping in November. "Skeletool" was originally shown in prototype form at SHOT Show earlier this year as the "Freestyle." Despite the name change, there will still be a Freestyle, but it will be a more basic version of the Skeletool that will be introduced at a later date.

The basics of the tool have not changed much since the prototype we reviewed in our Shot Show 2007 Report, so I won't go over those elements again except for where the production version has changed. There's no titanium version that was rumored, at least not yet.

Skeletool CX (top)The Skeletool CX incorporates carbon fiber on the frame and the stainless steel frame and blade are coated in black Tungsten DLC scratch-resistant Coating. The combination makes this the classiest looking production Leatherman by far. The Skeletool has a satin finish all stainless frame.

The blade shape remains the same, a cross between a drop point and clip point. It is easy to open via the large opening hole. The Skeletool has Leatherman's standard 420HC stainless, the Skeletool CX gets 154-CM stainless, but unfortunately, unlike that shown in the photos, will come with a combo edge partially serrated blade. Just when you start to get a little excited about a product, they mess it up.

The bit holder is equipped with a rocking button style lock to lock the bit in place, which is an excellent addition. No more easily losing the bit. The pre-production units were a bit difficult to operate, recessed too far to easily press down, but we're told minor changes are planned for production that will make it much easier to use. To use the screwdriver, the tool must be unfolded, which works just fine.

Skeletool Pokcet ClipThe pocket clip looks good, but is a bit on the narrow side; we'll have see how well that works in the long term use. Narrow clips have been known to accelerate pocket wear compared to wider clips. It will differ slightly from that shown on these pre-production models by having a bit more upturn at the tip to ease slipping over the pocket. Based on a very brief test in my pocket, my initial reaction is that it seemed to carry fairly comfortably, like the medium frame pocket knife for which it is designed to substitute. The clip is right hand only and not removable. Being so thin, not being able to remove the clip isn't as big an issue as it is with some knives with bulky clips. I barely noticed it in the hand.

I'm inclined to think that the clip will prove a lot more useful and functional for carry than the built-in carabineer/bottle opener at the end of the one handle. I rarely see knives with carbineers for EDC; that seems to be a narrow niche. No sheath is offered, this is been positioned strictly a pocket tool, a pocket knife replacement, really. It's much thinner than a Charge, for example, and I don't see the need for a sheath.

Skeletool Blade openThe pliers jaws have some very shallow lightening recesses, though how much weight they actually save can't be much, they are very shallow. But, they do look cool. The design engineer we spoke with said that these smaller and thinner pliers still retain about 80% of the strength of the pair of pliers on the Wave/Charge (view comparison).

While the Skeletool doesn't appeal to me, I'm a traditionalist that prefers a folder with a robust blade and a fully equipped multi-purpose tool, there's little doubt in my mind that they will find a ready market for this concept. It is a practical and functional compromise for someone who wants to carry only a single tool in their pocket that serves most of their likely needs. Add pliers and screwdrivers to a knife and you've covered most of the bases for most folks. In many respects, the Skeletool is the closest tool conceptually to a traditional Swiss Army Knife that Leatherman has produced to date.

Wow, that was quite informative. So it seems the skeletool does have a pocket clip, its bit driver will hold its bits in quite securely with a lock mechanism, and the CX version has a (part?) carbon fibre frame, unfortunately no titanium as of yet.

Perhaps the line I found most interesting:

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Despite the name change, there will still be a Freestyle, but it will be a more basic version of the Skeletool that will be introduced at a later date

Hmm, I am having a bit of trouble imagining how they are going to simplify a tool which only consists of pliers, a knife, and a bit driver, and also why they would want to simplify what already seems to be the minimum amount of tools people want in a multitool. Maybe they mean the aesthetics of the tool rather than its functions, but then I do not see how that warrants another tool with a different name.


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Re: Skeletool???
Reply #92 on: August 20, 2007, 07:03:50 AM
I don't understand how they can simplify it either.  It's already simple!
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Re: Skeletool???
Reply #93 on: August 20, 2007, 11:41:37 AM
"will come with a combo edge partially serrated blade..." Grrrrrrr....  >:(
All their knives have the option of either blade style though, hopefully this will too and I just misunderstood.
I'm really releived about the pocket clip!!!!!
All in all its a good report to me, now I just won't know which to buy...


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Re: Skeletool???
Reply #94 on: August 21, 2007, 02:58:33 AM
I'm impressed, both with the Skeletool and with us. Reading the report and looking at the photos, it appears as if we were spot on with many of our deductions about the new tool.  :)
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Re: Skeletool???
Reply #95 on: August 21, 2007, 03:07:12 AM
Well, most of us were!

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Reply #96 on: August 21, 2007, 03:10:38 AM
Hehe, I figured we had you convinced we were right, and so gave you the benefit of the doubt.  ::)
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Re: Skeletool???
Reply #97 on: August 21, 2007, 03:13:21 AM
That's ok, I am getting used to being wrong.

Otherwise I would have done some "creative editing" on the message from Leatherman and chalked up the real tool to last minute production problems!   :grin:

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Reply #98 on: August 21, 2007, 03:16:34 AM
Hehe, that's okay.

By the way, start nagging your Leatherman contact...we are definitely going to want to see an early production model of one of these Skeletools.
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Re: Skeletool???
Reply #99 on: August 21, 2007, 03:24:49 AM
Start?  I started that months ago!   :P

Besides, she's on vacation this week, so I'll have to nag her twice as hard when she gets back!  I am hoping to maybe get a couple of them and we could do a passaround if anyone is interested?

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Re: Skeletool???
Reply #100 on: August 21, 2007, 03:27:54 AM
I am hoping to maybe get a couple of them and we could do a passaround if anyone is interested?

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Don't get your hopes up def, I'm not sure anyone around here would be intersted in that kind of thing.


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Re: Skeletool???
Reply #101 on: August 21, 2007, 03:31:29 AM
 ;) ;D


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Re: Skeletool???
Reply #102 on: August 21, 2007, 03:38:52 AM
Well it's not written in stone, and I haven't discussed the possibility with Leatherman yet, so it may not happen.

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Reply #103 on: August 21, 2007, 04:07:50 AM
I'm rooting for you!  :) It sure would be cool...


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Re: Skeletool???
Reply #104 on: August 21, 2007, 05:12:13 AM
Well we could try for an early group buy for product testing. ;D


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Reply #105 on: August 21, 2007, 09:23:55 AM
I'd be up for that.  Let me know if you get any kind of deals (not likely).  My guess is that they are going to be sold out until Christmas since they are coming out so late.  We'll probably have to go to Cabela's to order them or one of the other places they usually hit first.

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Re: Skeletool???
Reply #106 on: August 21, 2007, 12:20:17 PM
You guys should know by now that I will grab anything and everything I can at every chance I get!

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Reply #107 on: August 22, 2007, 03:34:36 AM
I'm looking at the picture comparing the Skeletool plier head to the Charge plier head. I didn't realize before that the Skeletool was smaller. The pliers must be about the same size as a Juice tool's?
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Reply #108 on: August 22, 2007, 06:08:46 AM
I'm looking at the picture comparing the Skeletool plier head to the Charge plier head. I didn't realize before that the Skeletool was smaller. The pliers must be about the same size as a Juice tool's?

I looked at the two and Bob is right.  It looks like the Skeletool jaws are the same as Juice.  The width is the same as juice from the looks of it.  That's a bit depressing.  I was hoping for a full sized pair of jaws.   :P
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Re: Skeletool???
Reply #109 on: August 22, 2007, 09:03:18 AM
I don't understand how they can simplify it either.  It's already simple!
Maybe the Freestyle will come with no bit driver. Just a thought. Do you guys think the frame is made of Carbon Fiber or is somehow bolted to a steel frame  ???
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Re: Skeletool???
Reply #110 on: August 22, 2007, 10:11:22 AM
Hmm, a smaller plier head than the charge series. What is reassuring is the claim that the plier head strength is still near 80 percent of the charge / wave tools, however, that remains to be tested I am sure.

I guess until someone has one of these in their hands, and tests it out thoroughly, we won't know for sure how the pliers are going to perform.

About the freestyle having just a knife and pliers, well, I really do not see why anyone would buy that over the skeletool, the bit driver on the skeletool takes up hardly any space, and a screwdriver is one of the most useful and often used tools. Furthermore, with the special bits Bob made, the skeletool bit driver can also be used as an awl, and a chisel. Not quite so basic  ;D


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Re: Skeletool???
Reply #111 on: August 22, 2007, 12:34:19 PM
I'm looking at the picture comparing the Skeletool plier head to the Charge plier head. I didn't realize before that the Skeletool was smaller. The pliers must be about the same size as a Juice tool's?

Interesting how the plier head has blunted nose pliers, more similar to the SwissTool's than the Juice's.

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Re: Skeletool???
Reply #112 on: August 22, 2007, 01:49:58 PM
Yea I notice that too Def, maybe leatherman is thinking of a hybrid plier design with this model. Maybe something new for the future?

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Re: Skeletool???
Reply #113 on: August 23, 2007, 02:33:02 AM
Interesting how the plier head has blunted nose pliers, more similar to the SwissTool's than the Juice's.

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Maybe they had to blunt the nose off in order to provide internal clearance (when folded) for the back of the bit driver?
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Reply #114 on: August 23, 2007, 08:52:17 AM
Did we figure out if the bit driver folds in?  If not, then the shorter jaws would be necessary to fit in the handle without hitting the bit driver.

I just noticed that the middle of the jaws (the pivot) is round like juice instead of oval like the charge.  Hmmm...too bad there too.

All in all I still want to get one.  I might have to make myself a bigger pocket clip.  I don't want to poke a hole through my pants with that one.

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Re: Skeletool???
Reply #115 on: August 23, 2007, 02:05:28 PM
The official word from Leatherman is that the bit driver does NOT fold in.

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Re: Skeletool???
Reply #116 on: August 23, 2007, 04:15:30 PM
I hope the Freestyle is more of a knife if the handles are carbon fiber and they get rid of the carabiner (anyone guessed yet, how much I hate those things?) to allow a K5xx blade to be fitted and use a proper pocket clip. The bits I could carry in my pocket if necessary. It is a decent knife with a well designed plier I am most interested in. Although a quarter hex socket like on the Crunch only magnetic would (to me) be the icing on the cake.

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Re: Skeletool???
Reply #117 on: August 24, 2007, 09:24:39 PM
I hope the Freestyle is more of a knife if the handles are carbon fiber and they get rid of the carabiner (anyone guessed yet, how much I hate those things?) to allow a K5xx blade to be fitted and use a proper pocket clip. The bits I could carry in my pocket if necessary. It is a decent knife with a well designed plier I am most interested in. Although a quarter hex socket like on the Crunch only magnetic would (to me) be the icing on the cake.

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                    If the Freestyle/Skeletool takes off as well as pre-release buzz thinks it well,doubtless numerous mutations will follow.I've said it before,and saying it again,the Freestyle/Skeletool has created more interest than any other multi since the Vic Spirit.
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Re: Skeletool???
Reply #118 on: August 24, 2007, 09:36:09 PM
I agree- and if subsequent sales of the Spirit are repeated, I'll bet LM will produce a fair number of different versions.

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Reply #119 on: August 24, 2007, 09:46:51 PM
I think that if it's a well made product, they will very well sales-wise, since its a merge of two related interests (knives & MTs) that should have both camps excited.
PS, I also think a 1/4 hex would be a great substitution for the currrent LM-only bit holder.


 

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