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nl Offline EMZ

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #150 on: July 20, 2017, 10:20:42 PM
Two close-ups of the Herder Series 500 knife.
It is a rather cheap-production knife, but then, nowadays not much is done with the knives. Most EOD and engineer soldiers have multitools that do a better job. The Herders are packed for emergency case, I think.
I have a spare Herder knife. The tip of the blade is little bit blunt. Not because it had been used (it is brand new), but because of lack of quality control or very loose manufacturing standards.
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Reply #151 on: July 20, 2017, 10:36:18 PM
Once upon a time Dutch military had no multitools at their disposal. Nevertheless soldiers had a strong need for them, so it was decided that some soldiers who were send on an "Out-of-Area" mission, were given multitools. For example EOD or engineers who joint IFOR, SFOR or KFOR were distributed multitools. The very first were Leatherman Classic Tools, or in military language "special tool M-631".
Later also Victorinox SwissTools (Original - 3.0323) were distributed. The Vic's were bought off-the-shelf and engraved with the mission and military unit name.
Another source told me that these engraved multitools were also obtained as a souvenir for the soldiers who were on that specific mission.
Correct me if I am wrong!

Today was my lucky day. I got one of these ultra rare Vic's!
This one is engraved "KFOR 1 C-cie". which probably translates to Kosovo Force 1st C-Company.
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Reply #152 on: July 21, 2017, 10:50:53 AM
Nice find!  :cheers:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #153 on: July 21, 2017, 11:57:47 AM
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #154 on: July 21, 2017, 03:21:24 PM
Today I found a unusual print in a "KL 93" DAK.
This type of knife is rather common, but I have never seen one with this extra imprint.
Seems to me that it is factory done.

Does anyone know the meaning of "T01" ??
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Reply #155 on: July 21, 2017, 04:08:24 PM
You are on a roll!  :like:

Very interesting. Where did you find this?
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #156 on: July 21, 2017, 05:25:52 PM
Quote from: glenfiddich1983 on July 21, 2017, 04:08:24 PM
You are on a roll!  :like:

Very interesting. Where did you find this?

Found it on 'marktplaats'. I used a personal message on another SAK, and he also came up with this one.

I also bought from him a strange Victorinox Centurion. It is the standard version, however it has GREEN scales. Exact the same color and material as the DAK Centurion, and also with the DE-GM stamp.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #157 on: July 22, 2017, 12:36:34 AM
Quote from: EMZ on July 20, 2017, 10:36:18 PM
Once upon a time Dutch military had no multitools at their disposal. Nevertheless soldiers had a strong need for them, so it was decided that some soldiers who were send on an "Out-of-Area" mission, were given multitools. For example EOD or engineers who joint IFOR, SFOR or KFOR were distributed multitools. The very first were Leatherman Classic Tools, or in military language "special tool M-631".
Later also Victorinox SwissTools (Original - 3.0323) were distributed. The Vic's were bought off-the-shelf and engraved with the mission and military unit name.
Another source told me that these engraved multitools were also obtained as a souvenir for the soldiers who were on that specific mission.
Correct me if I am wrong!

Today was my lucky day. I got one of these ultra rare Vic's!
This one is engraved "KFOR 1 C-cie". which probably translates to Kosovo Force 1st C-Company.


Great info :salute:

Interesting then that the KL went with the Spirit over the Swiss tool as their multi tool of choice :think:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #158 on: August 05, 2017, 07:25:52 PM
Quote from: EMZ on July 21, 2017, 03:21:24 PM
Today I found a unusual print in a "KL 93" DAK.
This type of knife is rather common, but I have never seen one with this extra imprint.
Seems to me that it is factory done.

Does anyone know the meaning of "T01" ??

Today I received answer from Victorinox: The 'T01' code is unknown to them.
It is also unknown to the Dutch army.
As far as I and an acquainted friend think, the mark was factory made and not later imprinted, engraved or melted. My theory is that the T maybe stands for Test or Type.
In 1992 the Dutch army was looking for a replacement of the somewhat outdated Soldier/Pioneer. They also tested a Vic with slide lock, called the KL 92 model. And most likely also this Centurion (8453.4).
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Maybe the T01 was a test version. Who knows?
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #159 on: August 05, 2017, 08:31:06 PM
Quote from: EMZ on August 05, 2017, 07:25:52 PM
Quote from: EMZ on July 21, 2017, 03:21:24 PM
Today I found a unusual print in a "KL 93" DAK.
This type of knife is rather common, but I have never seen one with this extra imprint.
Seems to me that it is factory done.

Does anyone know the meaning of "T01" ??

Today I received answer from Victorinox: The 'T01' code is unknown to them.
It is also unknown to the Dutch army.
As far as I and an acquainted friend think, the mark was factory made and not later imprinted, engraved or melted. My theory is that the T maybe stands for Test or Type.
In 1992 the Dutch army was looking for a replacement of the somewhat outdated Soldier/Pioneer. They also tested a Vic with slide lock, called the KL 92 model. And most likely also this Centurion (8453.4).
See pictures.
Maybe the T01 was a test version. Who knows?

The KL92 model looks like an Adventurer, the same one's hat were issued by the Danish army. Wonder if it had red or green scales? :think:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #160 on: August 07, 2017, 10:01:25 AM
Super that this topic is not dead.
Electric knife was quite common, not only from Herder. Mainly used in Air Forces.
Belzer:


Mark "Amsterdam" and PB67


No name


Some Land Forces used standard model from Herder, but I think it is privat purchase of soldier.


And some rare models:



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Reply #161 on: August 07, 2017, 11:54:00 AM
Heheh, it's weird how the KL74 type is supposed to be rare..
I mean, it's the one and only DAK type that I've ever seen in the flesh.
(or would that be in the metal?)
Hooked, like everyone else. ;)

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #162 on: August 07, 2017, 12:04:12 PM
Quote from: Pablo O'Brien on August 07, 2017, 11:54:00 AM
Heheh, it's weird how the KL74 type is supposed to be rare..
I mean, it's the one and only DAK type that I've ever seen in the flesh.
(or would that be in the metal?)
Look closer... It's not KL74 it's KLu74.

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #163 on: August 07, 2017, 12:17:23 PM
Quote from: Osos on August 07, 2017, 12:04:12 PM
Quote from: Pablo O'Brien on August 07, 2017, 11:54:00 AM
Heheh, it's weird how the KL74 type is supposed to be rare..
I mean, it's the one and only DAK type that I've ever seen in the flesh.
(or would that be in the metal?)
Look closer... It's not KL74 it's KLu74.

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That is rare indeed.  :tu:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #164 on: August 07, 2017, 12:23:43 PM
Quote from: Pablo O'Brien on August 07, 2017, 12:17:23 PM
Quote from: Osos on August 07, 2017, 12:04:12 PM
Quote from: Pablo O'Brien on August 07, 2017, 11:54:00 AM
Heheh, it's weird how the KL74 type is supposed to be rare..
I mean, it's the one and only DAK type that I've ever seen in the flesh.
(or would that be in the metal?)
Look closer... It's not KL74 it's KLu74.

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That is rare indeed.  :tu:

Also model from 1993 in oryginal bag and Wenger with Luchmacht logo.

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Reply #165 on: August 07, 2017, 04:55:16 PM
A similar blue Wenger was sold here in the Netherlands one week ago for at least € 50. For me it was too expensive. Maybe I just don't have my priorities sorted out right  :oops:

I have never seen a KLu74 in real life, nor the KLU63 and KLU65. I have only one: the KLU64.
How is it possible that someone in Poland acquires all these rare DAK's?? You are sucking up our national heritage!! Stop!!  :cheers:

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Reply #166 on: August 07, 2017, 05:01:24 PM
Quote from: EMZ on August 07, 2017, 04:55:16 PM
A similar blue Wenger was sold here in the Netherlands one week ago for at least € 50. For me it was too expensive. Maybe I just don't have my priorities sorted out right  :oops:

I have never seen a KLu74 in real life, nor the KLU63 and KLU65. I have only one: the KLU64.
How is it possible that someone in Poland acquires all these rare DAK's?? You are sucking up our national heritage!! Stop!!  :cheers:

Just kidding,! It's very appreciated that you share your knowledge with the SAK community. Thanks!

Same here, I also considered the wenger too expensive unfortunately. I do wonder for what purpose it was made. Was it issued to certain air force personnel? Or maybe for promotional purpose?
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Reply #167 on: August 07, 2017, 05:39:01 PM
My guess it was a promo item. For what it's worth...
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Reply #168 on: August 07, 2017, 06:02:12 PM
Quote from: EMZ on August 07, 2017, 04:55:16 PM
I have never seen a KLu74 in real life, nor the KLU63 and KLU65. I have only one: the KLU64.
How is it possible that someone in Poland acquires all these rare DAK's?? You are sucking up our national heritage!! Stop!!  :cheers:

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I agree, most possible is that Wenger is just promo knife.
@EMZ can you post photo of KLU64? I didn't see this one.

Regarding your question I like very much Netherlands, I visit your country min.twice a year.
DAKs I start collect some time ago, when it was much easier to buy nice condition DAK, with good price. Right now it's much more dificoult.
My plan was to made short catalog with photos of my DAK knives in polish, English and dutch. I hope to made it some day.
My knowlage I want to go deeple with curator on NMM museum in Soest, that I also visited, but unfortunatlly it is very hard to contact this person by email.
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Reply #169 on: August 07, 2017, 06:24:05 PM
My DAKs (1993 and 2010) and their belt sheaths.

The two compartment black leather belt sheath (4.0833.L) was intended for the Swiss Tool Plus but fits the DAK nicely. Notice how it sports the Interservice logo!
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #170 on: August 07, 2017, 07:26:26 PM
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Reply #171 on: August 07, 2017, 07:32:38 PM
I reckon that you should all get together and do a piece for Sak Wiki on the history of the DAK, would be a great read  :pok:

Also love that black Spirit case Ronald; never seen one of those...

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Reply #172 on: August 07, 2017, 07:37:49 PM
Here is a pic of KLU 64.

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #173 on: August 07, 2017, 08:32:42 PM
Thanks @EMI ! Very nice knife.

Earlier pouch was brown (4.0822.L)


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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #174 on: August 08, 2017, 09:55:22 AM
It seems there is another version of the Dutch Air Force bail-out-kit knife. :ahhh
I found these pics on the internet. (Source unknown)
M.v.D. = Ministerie van Defensie - Ministry of Defence.

* Vic MVD 1.jpg (Filesize: 11.77 KB)

* Vic MVD 2.jpg (Filesize: 13.67 KB)
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #175 on: August 15, 2017, 11:35:19 AM
Quote from: EMZ on July 20, 2017, 10:36:18 PM
Once upon a time Dutch military had no multitools at their disposal. Nevertheless soldiers had a strong need for them, so it was decided that some soldiers who were send on an "Out-of-Area" mission, were given multitools. For example EOD or engineers who joint IFOR, SFOR or KFOR were distributed multitools. The very first were Leatherman Classic Tools, or in military language "special tool M-631".
Later also Victorinox SwissTools (Original - 3.0323) were distributed. The Vic's were bought off-the-shelf and engraved with the mission and military unit name.
Another source told me that these engraved multitools were also obtained as a souvenir for the soldiers who were on that specific mission.
Correct me if I am wrong!

Today was my lucky day. I got one of these ultra rare Vic's!
This one is engraved "KFOR 1 C-cie". which probably translates to Kosovo Force 1st C-Company.

With the help of a Dutch fellow collector I found out the meaning of the inscription "KFOR 1 C-cie".
From December 1999 to 31 april 2000 a Dutch Field Artillery unit (41 Afd. Veldartillerie) was deployed in Kosovo as part of KFOR.
The unit was reinforced with a reconnaissance platoon named "1e peloton C-compagnie 42 Bataljon Limburgse Jagers ‘Eagles’ (42 PAINFBAT)".
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #176 on: August 15, 2017, 01:55:39 PM
Great thread!  :like:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #177 on: August 20, 2017, 09:33:11 AM
@EMZ grate information!

A while ago I get copy of Camilus spring knife. Knife that Mr. Talens mention in his book that serve in Dutch Army at Korean War (first photo).

After long serche I get original ona as well. Not to best shape, but still happy to get it.





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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #178 on: August 20, 2017, 11:34:21 AM
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Unbelievable!
And thanks for sharing with us.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #179 on: August 20, 2017, 04:08:05 PM
Quote from: EMZ on August 15, 2017, 11:35:19 AM
With the help of a Dutch fellow collector I found out the meaning of the inscription "KFOR 1 C-cie".
From December 1999 to 31 april 2000 a Dutch Field Artillery unit (41 Afd. Veldartillerie) was deployed in Kosovo as part of KFOR.
The unit was reinforced with a reconnaissance platoon named "1e peloton C-compagnie 42 Bataljon Limburgse Jagers ‘Eagles’ (42 PAINFBAT)".

I was deployed to Kosovo as part of the KFOR 1 (1999-2000) and KFOR 4 (2002-2003) rotations. Where's my knife?
  :whistle:

Back on topic, here's my one and only DAK, from 1985 (the year I joined the US Army):


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