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Dutch Army Knives 92096

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #180 on: August 21, 2017, 05:56:28 PM »
With the help of a Dutch fellow collector I found out the meaning of the inscription "KFOR 1 C-cie".
From December 1999 to 31 april 2000 a Dutch Field Artillery unit (41 Afd. Veldartillerie) was deployed in Kosovo as part of KFOR.
The unit was reinforced with a reconnaissance platoon named "1e peloton C-compagnie 42 Bataljon Limburgse Jagers ‘Eagles’ (42 PAINFBAT)".

I was deployed to Kosovo as part of the KFOR 1 (1999-2000) and KFOR 4 (2002-2003) rotations. Where's my knife?
  :whistle:

Back on topic, here's my one and only DAK, from 1985 (the year I joined the US Army):

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Your knife is safe!! With me... :cheers:
You have a KL85?! Wow, that's one of the KL's I am missing in my DAK collection. (No, no swapping! One day I will find a nice specimen.)
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #181 on: August 29, 2017, 09:54:06 AM »
The Leatherman Black MUT can also be considered as a DAK. It is officially equipment for Dutch Army Weapons & Ammunition Technicians.
The one in the picture is not (yet) in my collection, but in someone else's.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #182 on: August 31, 2017, 04:58:39 PM »
Now these DAK's are in my own collection  :climber:

The 'MvD' is a Victorinox Handyman. The others are Master Craftsman.
Strange thing about the 'MvD' knife is that is has a NSN, and it is described in the official Dutch Army ordering list as a "knife, pocket / FSG51 – Hand Tools / FSC 5110 – Hand Tools, Edged, Nonpowered, made by Wenger". (info thanks to a Dutch collector!)
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #183 on: August 31, 2017, 05:29:47 PM »
"Zwanenburg" DAK - high quality knife from China... :rofl:

Today I picked up my Zwanenburg DAK just to play with. The knife is brand new and never used. Just by touching it, one of the scales came off!
The scales were simply GLUED to the frame! Look at the pics!
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #184 on: August 31, 2017, 06:06:44 PM »
EMZ for those Victorinox I'm jealous like hell. It's hard to find them abroad.

For Zwanenburg are you sure that was produced in China? I know it for low quality, but I didn't hear where it was produced.

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #185 on: September 03, 2017, 09:27:29 AM »
EMZ for those Victorinox I'm jealous like hell. It's hard to find them abroad.

For Zwanenburg are you sure that was produced in China? I know it for low quality, but I didn't hear where it was produced.

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No, I actually don't have a clue where it was made. But according to extremely low craftmanship and the copycat behaviour of the producer, I would be very spurpised if it wasn't China!

Recently I acquired a handfull of DAK's of the 2010 model. Some that are almost brand new do not have a smooth opening of the large blade. Half way, at the intermediate stop, tension builds up and a smooth OH opening almost isn't possible. Probably Vic also has had small quality problems.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #186 on: September 03, 2017, 09:28:49 AM »
The “Nederlands Militair Museum” (Netherlands Military Museum) in Soesterberg has online pictures of its collection. If you search its website for “survival” you’ll come across a picture of an old Victorinox Dutch Air Force survival knife. (See attached picture.)
Close observation revealed it is a to the SAK community previously unknown variety of the Air Force DAK.

My guess is that this is the very first type of the aluminum scaled Master Craftsman, because of the OLD type awl (reamer), the recess in the scale, clip-point small blade, and no bail.
The new type awl/reamer appeared in 1961, so it is safe to conclude this is a pre-1961 type knife.
The pictured knife is very well worn; the spring of the scissors is broken.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #187 on: September 03, 2017, 09:36:26 AM »
It’s not a genuine SAK, not even a DAK… although we could call it a SAK. It is the Surinam Army Knife! This is an online picture from the “Nederlands Militair Museum” (Netherlands Military Museum) in Soesterberg.
Meaning of the tekst: Surinaamse Krijgsmacht (SKM) is Surinam Armed Forces. The phrasing ‘SKM’ was only used from 1975 to 1980.
No further details are known.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #188 on: September 04, 2017, 05:12:18 PM »
Now something from me. Elements of uniform and knife that serve with soldier.

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #189 on: September 04, 2017, 08:28:19 PM »
Great stuff!  :salute:

"Stoottroepen" means something as "Thrust/Punching Troops", the first soldiers to go into the attack.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #190 on: September 21, 2017, 03:53:47 PM »
My collection of Dutch Army Knives  :salute:








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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #191 on: September 21, 2017, 05:26:38 PM »

Very nice theme!
 :like:
and the KL92...  :whistle:

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #192 on: September 21, 2017, 05:40:00 PM »

Very nice theme!
 :like:
and the KL92...  :whistle:

What about it?  :D

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #193 on: September 21, 2017, 09:11:27 PM »

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #194 on: September 22, 2017, 08:50:01 AM »

Very nice theme!
 :like:
and the KL92...  :whistle:

What about it?  :D

I love it  :whistle:
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I see  :D

I'll try to think about it if I ever see another KL92 for sale.

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #195 on: September 22, 2017, 11:35:51 AM »
 :like:

And I agree: KL 92's are nice!
But I am still looking for an excellent KL 85. And a KL 72 also...
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #196 on: September 22, 2017, 12:12:00 PM »

Very nice theme!
 :like:
and the KL92...  :whistle:

What about it?  :D

I love it  :whistle:
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I see  :D

I'll try to think about it if I ever see another KL92 for sale.
That means I'm not the youngest here! :woohoo:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #197 on: September 22, 2017, 12:52:17 PM »

Very nice theme!
 :like:
and the KL92...  :whistle:

What about it?  :D

I love it  :whistle:
(Image removed from quote.)

I see  :D

I'll try to think about it if I ever see another KL92 for sale.
That means I'm not the youngest here! :woohoo:
Hes probably not the youngest either. :shrug: :D

Hooked, like everyone else. ;)

All hail the hook!
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #198 on: September 22, 2017, 01:33:57 PM »
I hope i'm not xD

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #199 on: September 22, 2017, 05:06:15 PM »

Very nice theme!
 :like:
and the KL92...  :whistle:

What about it?  :D

I love it  :whistle:
(Image removed from quote.)

I see  :D

I'll try to think about it if I ever see another KL92 for sale.
That means I'm not the youngest here! :woohoo:
Hes probably not the youngest either. :shrug: :D
I know I'm not so that's good enough for me :D
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #200 on: September 23, 2017, 02:21:16 AM »
I was just browsing eBay and saw quite a few of the DAK. Different varieties of the 110mm mostly.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #201 on: September 23, 2017, 09:55:12 AM »
I was just browsing eBay and saw quite a few of the DAK. Different varieties of the 110mm mostly.
Prices of some knives on Ebay are not extremely high. Here in the Netherlands, if you're lucky, you can find the latest DAK type in new condition for about € 30-45 Euro's, including P&H. Pouches cost about € 5-7, if you can find a nice one.
Suppose I want to sell one on Ebay and I want to make € 5 profit. Then on average I have to get about € 45-50 for a knife in new condition plus pouch. Considering dollar-Euro exchange rate plus Ebay and Paypal fees, this knife has to sell for at least $ 70-76!

At this very moment a Victorinox DAK KM 87 is for sale on a Dutch online auction site, called Marktplaats ('market place'). Bidding price now is an astonishing € 125.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #202 on: September 23, 2017, 11:17:42 AM »
KM87 is quite rare, so i'm not surprised.

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #203 on: September 23, 2017, 02:57:10 PM »
Although very common, the Bantam Ecoline is still quite rare. ...Huh?
Let me explain. Bantams are very common knives, but after the Dutch Logistical Service ran out of the KL1993 knives, an unknown quantity of Bantam Ecolines was distributed among defense personal. No special codes or what so ever. This particular one came to me NIB from a Navy guy. So, a very common knife, but hard to find as a DAK  ;)
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #204 on: September 23, 2017, 03:05:21 PM »
Really? So this is also a DAK? I did not know that.


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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #205 on: September 23, 2017, 06:20:26 PM »
Yes, the Bantam Ecoline is a genuine DAK.
Some years ago a friend of mine, who worked at the Navy base in Den Helder, lost his KL1993 knife. He ordered a new one, but was given this Bantam instead.
When I told him a year or so ago, that I collect DAK's, he gave me both the KL1993 and the Bantam... :think:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #206 on: September 23, 2017, 09:56:20 PM »
Yes, the Bantam Ecoline is a genuine DAK.
Some years ago a friend of mine, who worked at the Navy base in Den Helder, lost his KL1993 knife. He ordered a new one, but was given this Bantam instead.
When I told him a year or so ago, that I collect DAK's, he gave me both the KL1993 and the Bantam... :think:
He just wanted a second then :D

How do you know the difference between an Ecoline DAK Bantam and just a random bought (maybe even from ebay?) Eco Bantam?? :think:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #207 on: September 23, 2017, 10:27:56 PM »
There is no difference! The military just bought a bunch of commercial available knives.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #208 on: September 23, 2017, 10:46:45 PM »
:like:

And I agree: KL 92's are nice!
But I am still looking for an excellent KL 85. And a KL 72 also...

 

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #209 on: September 28, 2017, 09:15:20 PM »

At this very moment a Victorinox DAK KM 87 is for sale on a Dutch online auction site, called Marktplaats ('market place'). Bidding price now is an astonishing € 125.

Today the M 87 was sold for... € 210 ! (~260 dollar...)

 

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