Dutch Army Knives

[Ron Who]

It wasn't me! 

[EMZ]

It wasn't me! 

Me neither!

[glenfiddich1983]

At this very moment a Victorinox DAK KM 87 is for sale on a Dutch online auction site, called Marktplaats ('market place'). Bidding price now is an astonishing € 125.

Today the M 87 was sold for... € 210 ! (~260 dollar...)

Given the rarity I sort of understand.
I'm just glad I only paid about € 15 for mine

[Mechanickal]

At this very moment a Victorinox DAK KM 87 is for sale on a Dutch online auction site, called Marktplaats ('market place'). Bidding price now is an astonishing € 125.

Today the M 87 was sold for... € 210 ! (~260 dollar...)

Given the rarity I sort of understand.
I'm just glad I only paid about € 15 for mine

[glenfiddich1983]

Looks like we're all stuck in a quote   

[EMZ]

Different Victorinox logo styles on DAK Spirit S BO. Both multitools are genuine army issue. (See 1st pic)

The 2nd pic shows both sides of the handles of my spare DAK Spirit. It was damaged and then repaired at Victorinox. Now is has a pliers without the Swiss Cross, plus handles with both the old and new style logo's. 

[EMZ]

A while ago I posted a message about the KL 1993 model with "T01" inscription.
Another Dutch collector has a second one (see pic). He's an retired Dutch Marine who got this T01 many years ago from a Dutch Commando. It was a test model, so the 'T' probably means 'test'.

[EMZ]

Here is a DAK model KL 1993 in official wooden gift box. It was supplied to or by the Dutch Army “Landmachtstaf” (Army Staff).
The knife has a gold painted crest and a special wooden gift box with printing “Landmacht. Landmachtstaf” (Army. Army Staff).This “Landmachtstaf” was up to 2005 the Staff organisation of the Dutch Army “Bevelhebber der Landstrijdkrachten (Commander of the Land Forces). In 2005 this staff organisation was abolished.
The tang stamp is the standard DE-GM / 9305297 on one side and ‘Victorinox Switserland’ on the other side. However, the fonts of the latter stamping are rather small, compared with other similar tang stampings.
It is not known wether this special version was made by Victorinox itself or by another company.

[EMZ]

On the "Multitool for Sale" section I am selling six Victorinox Model KL 2010 Dutch Army Knives (DAK).
Price is $ 44 or $ 55 per knife, including pouch and postage.
Please take a look at the "Multitool for Sale" if you are interested.

[Guardian]

Here is a DAK model KL 1993 in official wooden gift box. It was supplied to or by the Dutch Army “Landmachtstaf” (Army Staff).
The knife has a gold painted crest and a special wooden gift box with printing “Landmacht. Landmachtstaf” (Army. Army Staff).This “Landmachtstaf” was up to 2005 the Staff organisation of the Dutch Army “Bevelhebber der Landstrijdkrachten (Commander of the Land Forces). In 2005 this staff organisation was abolished.
The tang stamp is the standard DE-GM / 9305297 on one side and ‘Victorinox Switserland’ on the other side. However, the fonts of the latter stamping are rather small, compared with other similar tang stampings.
It is not known wether this special version was made by Victorinox itself or by another company.

 

[EMZ]

Three different style of DAK pouches. At most left is the pouch for the Zwanenburg 2007 DAK. Middle and right pouches are for Vic KL 2010 model.
All pouches have same NSN 8465-17-110-1750.

[gene stoner]

Three different style of DAK pouches. At most left is the pouch for the Zwanenburg 2007 DAK. Middle and right pouches are for Vic KL 2010 model.
All pouches have same NSN 8465-17-110-1750.

Do they all attach the same way on the back? How do they attach?

[Mechanickal]

I'd guess with Alice Clips...

[EMZ]

With straps & snaps. Pics will follow tomorrow. Or maybe even later...

[Ron Who]

I'd guess with Alice Clips...

Alice clips and belt loop. I removed the clips off mine.

[EMZ]

The pouches for the Zwanenburg knife and the ones for the KL 2010 Victorinox knife have straps & snaps.

The pouches for the KL 1993 type knife have belt loops and Alice clips. Made by Arwy NV and by Fosco.

[EMZ]

There are also black pouches for the Vic KL 2010 knives. These are used by the Military Police ('Koninklijke Marechaussee') on their black ops vests.
Very hard to get in a descent condition!

[EMZ]

"Descent" in my previous post has to be "decent", of course.

From a fellow Dutch collector I received a picture of an up to now unknown tang stamp of the KL1993 type knife. It lacks the DE-GM stamp, but instead it is stamped "STAINLESS ROSTFREI". The reverse tang stamp is the well known 'Victorinox Switserland' stamp in small fonts.

[EMZ]

Today this absolute ugly beauty came in the mail: A genuine KL 95 Fosco!
According to the seller (an ex-army officer who also collects DAK's), the alox KL 95 Fosco knives were bought by the Army in 1995 because the Victorinox KL 1993 knives weren't available at the time. The Army's Defence Material Organisation (DMO) soon realized that the Fosco KL 95 knives were of extremely bad quality, so short after the release, the contract was cancelled, the knives were withdrawn from service and remaining stock was destroyed. Consequently these alox Fosco's are very rare.

[glenfiddich1983]

Today this absolute ugly beauty came in the mail: A genuine KL 95 Fosco!
According to the seller (an ex-army officer who also collects DAK's), the alox KL 95 Fosco knives were bought by the Army in 1995 because the Victorinox KL 1993 knives weren't available at the time. The Army's Defence Material Organisation (DMO) soon realized that the Fosco KL 95 knives were of extremely bad quality, so short after the release, the contract was cancelled, the knives were withdrawn from service and remaining stock was destroyed. Consequently these alox Fosco's are very rare.

Nice find!

[EMZ]

Trying to figure how many tang stamp variations exist in the Victorinox 'KL 1993' model, I found this rare tang stamp.
Front side is stamped 'VICTORINOX SWISS MADE STAINLESS' and back side has no stamp at all. The liner-locks are stamped 'PRESS'.

BTW: I think there are six (6) different tang stamps variations for the KL 1993 model. As soon as I am sure, I will publish it in this thread.

[EMZ]

Around 1987 Victorinox changed from the small v to the capital V in the DAK tang stamps.
From left to right: KM 87 (small V), KL 87 (small V), KL 87 (large V)

[EMZ]

Victorinox 'KL 1993' model tang stamp variations.

[Guardian]

One of my favourite threads. Keep up the good work EMZ 

[Barry Rowland]

  +1!!! 

[EMZ]

Thanks for the compliments! 

Recently I received a 'Zwanenburg' DAK together with its original carton box, including label. I noticed this specimen was 31 grams heavier than the one I already had. It is also 1,2 mm thicker. The box of this 'heavy weight Zwanenburg' was also slightly larger as the box for the 'light weight Zwanenburg'. Unfortunately I don't have a 'light weight' complete with box label.

1st picture: Above is the 'light weight' version, and lower the 'heavy weight'.

"Zakmes met vergrendeling" = pocket knife with lock.

The NSN of the 'Zwanenburg' is the same as that of the Victorinox 'KL 2010' model.

[EMZ]

Two different package for the Victorinox 'KL 2010' model. Knives are identical.
The upper package is the probably the oldest version.
Both Victorinox knives have same NSN as the 'Zwanenburg' model.

"Zakmes, nieuw model" = pocket knife, new model.
"Zakmes met vergrendeling" = pocket knife with lock.

[EMZ]

Two slightly different types of plastic packings and manuals for DAK Victorinox 'KL 1993' model.
Both have 4th type of tang stamp. (See above.)

[Guardian]

Two slightly different types of plastic packings and manuals for DAK Victorinox 'KL 1993' model.
Both have 4th type of tang stamp. (See above.)

Are the plastic pouches sealed? Would you have to damage them to get the knives out?

[EMZ]

Two slightly different types of plastic packings and manuals for DAK Victorinox 'KL 1993' model.
Both have 4th type of tang stamp. (See above.)

Are the plastic pouches sealed? Would you have to damage them to get the knives out?

Yes, they were sealed. I had to open them 
All for science!!