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Dutch Army Knives 51875

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2011, 10:07:34 PM »
Great collection of vintage knives. It's always interesting to see pieces of SAK history.
I really like the new dual pro ones. so cool.  :D
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2011, 10:25:17 PM »
 I Thought that if Victorinox Suplied the knives as blanks that would explain them not having a record of the KM knives. Thank for your research I can see the difference  comparing  my KL92 and KL83.
Mike
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2011, 11:25:52 PM »
I also got the production numbers of the KL-alox knives from Victorinox. They are as follows:

1983 - 77.400
1984 - none
1985 - 43.000
1986 - 75.250
1987 - 87.000
1988 - 67.000
1989 - 112.000
1990 - 66.725
1991 - 71.147
1992 - 66.150

That makes an average production of about 74.000 knives per year.
Interesting to see that there were no Victorinox knives in 1984, but I`ve seen Amefa knives of this year. I`m not sure if Amefa also made knives in the Victorinox years (I concentrate on Victorinox knives only).

What I also noticed: So far all the KL83 knives I`ve seen had brass liners. But I`m not sure if all of them had these.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2011, 09:46:44 PM »
The KL83 I have has brass liners, the only Alox AMEFAS I have are KL72 and 75 It looks to me that vic. took over from Amefa in 83 ?
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #34 on: February 03, 2011, 09:54:04 PM »
I have an Amefa alox KL82 with brass liners and a bail. Sounds like you might be right.

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2011, 08:06:35 PM »
I have an Amefa alox KL82 with brass liners and a bail. Sounds like you might be right.
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Strange dont you think that Amefa had the contract first and yet were able to make a copy of the victorinox Pioneer apart from the tin opener and the silver cross that is?
The KL83 has a bail BTW
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2011, 12:14:47 AM »
Here is my Amefa KL-82 with brass liners and bail.

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2011, 12:18:56 AM »
The Amefa is way below Victorinox standards of course. Here is a close up of the front top rivet. It sticks way out. The back side is where they peen it. The back side rivet sits more flush.

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2011, 05:10:09 PM »
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2011, 05:30:13 PM »
I remember reading several years ago that Victorinox sued Amefa and/or the Dutch military for patent infringements.
If my memory is correct, the results were that the Dutch Army was required to buy only from Victorinox.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #40 on: April 03, 2011, 10:13:47 PM »
Wow, a KM87 knife just went for $187.50 on eBay :ahhh :ahhh
And it wasn't even in mint condition :)
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #41 on: April 04, 2011, 03:21:18 AM »
Oh no!

I think now I want a DAK, too. :D
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #42 on: April 04, 2011, 03:58:57 AM »
Wow, a KM87 knife just went for $187.50 on eBay :ahhh :ahhh
And it wasn't even in mint condition :)
I was actually surprised it went for so little. I expected > $300.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #43 on: April 04, 2011, 05:22:30 AM »
Crazy price. I was keen for it but after about $60 thats a bit too much.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #44 on: April 04, 2011, 06:17:03 AM »
If you are really lucky and managed to get a surplus Dutch KL 1993 model in good shape, they also came with a rather nice camo pouch. This pouch has a Velcro flap and the material service number is stitched to the inside.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #45 on: April 04, 2011, 11:39:27 AM »
oooh :gimme: im after one of those pouches. Did they only come with the 1993 version or the 2010 too? Reiner :pok:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #46 on: April 04, 2011, 12:57:54 PM »
oooh :gimme: im after one of those pouches. Did they only come with the 1993 version or the 2010 too? Reiner :pok:

;)

I've seen them on sale somewhere, but I can't remember where...

Your packages is already on its way so it's too late to add one :D
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #47 on: April 04, 2011, 01:08:21 PM »
Pretty sure i saw them too but i thought they were not genuine issue and just some chinese repro thing.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #48 on: April 04, 2011, 07:18:33 PM »
Hi, the 2010 has this pouch, which was issued back in 2007 for the Zwanenburg produced DAK :)

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #49 on: April 05, 2011, 05:10:02 AM »
If you are interested in the older style knife pouch, then plug in Ebay # 150458535478  I have bought a couple from this seller. The also come with the metal clip to attach to a belt. They also make a great cell phone pouch.
http://cgi.ebay.ca/DPM-Camo-Carabiner-Knife-Pouch-/150458535478?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item2308070e36

Good luck
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #50 on: April 05, 2011, 10:51:24 AM »
Are they definitely what the 1993 DAK has? There wouldnt be that white tag inside with the army info would there if they are repros?
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #51 on: April 05, 2011, 11:23:09 PM »
I had two DAK's with the velcro cases mailed to me from the UK about 5 years ago.  One had the white tag and the other did not. They were surplus army and who knows what happened to them when the were in service.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #52 on: April 09, 2011, 11:41:08 AM »
I was doing some research on 111mm DAKs as im trying to get all the different ones and i found something interesting. Is there actually 3 victorinox 111mm DAKs

Here is the 1993 - ???? one



Here is the 2010 -  with dual one hand opening blades



and here is a mystery one that i think is 2001-2007? It doesn't have a one hand opening serated blade. Is it a Victorinox? Is it a real DAK? can anyone confirm what it is?

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #53 on: April 09, 2011, 11:47:33 AM »
AFAIK that is a proper DAK and was indeed made by Vic.  In civilian clothes it was know as the OH Parachutist or Rescuer.

http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Parachutist

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #54 on: April 09, 2011, 11:49:54 AM »
The third one is not a Victorinox but a cheap copy of a Victorinox prototyp knife by the dutch company Van Zwanenburg (probably made in far east, but I`m not sure).

There was an article about the knife on Sosakonline, this one:

http://www.sosakonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=326&Itemid=35

It seems it was really issued to the dutch army for a while, but now they got the new DAK by Victorinox.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #55 on: April 09, 2011, 11:51:03 AM »
Ok cool so i need to find a OH parachutist Victorinox DAK

EDIT response to duder

I don think its the Van Zwaneberg one

Here is the link i found it at.
http://www.mreinfo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3423

appears someone has one has said its a Vic

If we can get a second one for reference as evidence, then can we get it up on sakwiki under the OH parachutist under 'variants'?
« Last Edit: April 09, 2011, 11:59:02 AM by Cyclone82 »
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #56 on: April 09, 2011, 12:06:00 PM »
The differences between a Vic Parachutist and the Van Zwanenburg can be seen in the pictures. Look where the tools are located in the knives. The order of the layers are different too.

I`m very sure it`s not a Victorinox knife. Victorinox even had a copyright problem with the Van Zwanenburg company (as far as I know).
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #57 on: April 09, 2011, 12:24:41 PM »
So did Victorinox never issue that OH parachutist version then? So from about 2001? to 2009 Victorinox didn't issue any knife at all to the Dutch? Wheres Reinier when you need him :) Im not sure why that poster would say its a vic if its not.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #58 on: April 09, 2011, 12:40:06 PM »
I`m not really sure when Victorinox stopped the delivery of the 111mm dutch Centurion but they never made this OH Parachutist, because it`s not really one. The dutch army used this chinese copy (although it`s not a 1:1 copy) for a few years and then got the new Victorinox DAK (with OH beltcutter).

Many times people describe knives as Victorinox knives because they look like Victorinox from a distance. It often happens in ebay for example.
 
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #59 on: April 09, 2011, 12:56:32 PM »
Ok so you're 100% sure Vic only made the  Centurion DAK and current Dual Pro Dak?

 

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