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nl Offline Agamemnon

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #780 on: February 14, 2022, 12:23:19 PM
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My new acquisitions from last week:

Victorinox Spartan Camouflage – no further details;

Buck 318 Parallex – according to the mark on the blade, the knife dates from 2007

Amsterdam. I have some nice information about this:

I already have two “Amsterdam” knives. They all date from the first years after the Second World War and were provided to our Dutch soldiers who went to the Indies.

From one knife I know that the owner was with the 3rd Battalion Regiment Jagers who left for the Indies on October 8, 1946 on board the SS Bloemfontein.

The knife I received last week was also an "Amsterdam", but this knife has the letters K.P.M. on the handle. K.P.M. stands for Koninklijke Paketvaart-Maatschappij (Dutch for Royal Packet Navigation Company). Ships of this company were also used to bring Dutch troops to the Indies.

The previous owner of this knife was on board of one of these transport ships: the SS Bloemfontein which departed for the Indies on 8 October 1946. The owner of the military "Amsterdam" knife and the owner of this "K.P.M. Amsterdam” were on board the same ship.

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #781 on: February 14, 2022, 12:57:45 PM
Osos, thank you very much!!
And Aga too.
At this pace of new DAK's, my list of wanna have's is growing faster than my collection is...

Osos, good luck with your bidding  ;)  I sincerely hope you will be succesful!

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #782 on: March 12, 2022, 11:39:44 AM
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Yesterday I received my newest acquisition: a Victorinox Master Craftsman – with the inscription “KLU EIGENDOM (PROPERTY)”. Part of Bailout kit – dinghy pack F16 Fighting Falcon (under the ejection seat pilot).
The knife has the well-known blue cellidor grip plates.

Around 1970, the blue aluminum scales were replaced by the more scratch-resistant blue plastic “Cellidor” scales. At a certain point, the military supplier had run out of stock of blue KLu pocket knives and that is why in 1998 110 pieces of these blue KLu pocket knives had to be ordered from Victorinox. These pocket knives were delivered in 1998/1999 and had the engraving / stamping "KLU EIGENDOM" on the blue "Cellidor" handle scale.

Anyway; it's another nice addition, which I had been looking for for years.

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #783 on: March 12, 2022, 01:56:44 PM
Nice score, Agamemnon! My first SAK was a civilian red-scaled Master Craftsman. :like: :like: :like:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #784 on: March 12, 2022, 04:16:36 PM
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Impressively rare! Thank you for sharing!  :tu:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #785 on: March 12, 2022, 04:37:44 PM
That's a very nice score! Good tool loadout for its intended purpose, too.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #786 on: March 13, 2022, 12:21:28 AM
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #787 on: March 14, 2022, 11:54:14 AM
Here's a picture of my two KLu survival kit knives with bleu cellidor handles.
As you can see, the one without text (and without the Victorinox shield) is the oldest one.
There's also a specimen that has the text at the reverse side, but I have never seen one, except in a picture.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #788 on: March 14, 2022, 06:47:56 PM
Nice pic together!

Do you have a specific date for the delivery of the first one?  Looks clearly late-‘80s. ‘87-‘89 and I think closer to the ‘87-‘88 side. I am curious if it has the bump in the scissor backspring by the scissor tip. A pic of that one flipped over with the tools open might help me narrow it down. I am also supposing that it has a large ‘V’ tang stamp.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #789 on: March 14, 2022, 07:14:46 PM
Wow - thanks for sharing, EMZ! :cheers:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #790 on: May 03, 2022, 03:54:14 PM


Snagged a Fosco KL95 off the Dutch “marktplaats” website. I used to have a couple of these before but I sold and gave away all of them, which I regretted afterwards, so this is my redemption. I will keep this one :)

It came in a Wenger Soldier box in which it (of course) doesn’t belong. I call this a win-win, because now I also have a matching box for my ‘83 Wenger Soldier :tu:
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Reply #791 on: May 03, 2022, 06:34:08 PM
Nice score, glenfiddich1983! :cheers:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #792 on: May 03, 2022, 06:44:31 PM
Quote from: Rizio Il Ghiro on May 03, 2022, 06:34:08 PM
Nice score, glenfiddich1983! :cheers:

Thanks!  :salute:

This is the first knife i’ve bought in months, and I haven’t been around here a lot. I’ve been very busy with other things. But it feels good to be back again  :D
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Reply #793 on: May 03, 2022, 10:09:59 PM
:like: :iagree: good find Glen
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Reply #794 on: May 04, 2022, 01:46:55 AM
What a great find GF and with a box for your Wenger!  Congrats!  :like:
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Reply #795 on: May 06, 2022, 02:30:05 PM
To my surprise I found a KLU 65, and to my even bigger surprise I was able to buy it for a very gentle price :)

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #796 on: May 06, 2022, 02:46:04 PM
Quote from: glenfiddich1983 on May 06, 2022, 02:30:05 PM
To my surprise I found a KLU 65, and to my even bigger surprise I was able to buy it for a very gentle price :)

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What a treasure!  :like:
Rest in peace ColoSwiss, you will always be remembered.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #797 on: May 06, 2022, 10:19:47 PM
As a ‘65er myself, I have to say wow - fantastic find, congratulations! :cheers:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #798 on: May 07, 2022, 12:27:59 AM
Congratulations looks to be in great condition too
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #799 on: June 04, 2022, 01:46:45 PM
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Last week I was again looking for funny things on “Marktplaats”.

I see an alox Amefa knife passing by and my first thought was "nothing special, I already have that".

Looked a little closer and enlarged the photo. There is something about the knife, but at first I couldn't 'put my finger on it'. The knife looked very good, brand new actually. The Amefa stamp is clear.
Further down, I looked at the handle and I see it: the KL stamp is missing, there is no year on it either. I did not know this knife, had never seen it before and therefore I do not have it in my collection.

The asking price (€ 15) was reasonable in my opinion and therefore immediately offered the asking price. The offer was accepted. A few days later the knife came in. Looks very good, very happy with my new purchase.

Took a few pictures and asked Amefa (both in the Netherlands and in Germany) whether they could tell anything about the knife.

As usual with Amefa you never get an answer – very disappointing. This 'customer service' is in big contrast to the service that Victorinox provides. It is only logical that we switched to the Victorinox knives.

Me and a few fellow collectors assume that it is probably a civilian pocket knife. I have to say I've never seen an Amefa civilian folding knife, but that doesn't mean anything. There are more knives I don't know.

Additional information is more than welcome. :dunno:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #800 on: June 04, 2022, 05:20:03 PM
Very cool, Agamemnon!  I love the jumbo lobster claw can opener on these.  Was that standard on the issued Amefa's?

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #801 on: June 05, 2022, 12:20:59 PM
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Hi Myron,

The first version (1950 until 1970) Amefa knives had a strange can opener – a kind of ‘spike’. These were the Amefa’s with a brown fibre hilt.

The next version (with the alox hilt) didn’t have a can opener at all. In those days (1972, 73 & 74) the Amefa had only three components. We were using the P-38/P-51 can opener.

In the years (1975 until 1982 & 1984) that followed we had the second version of the alox Amefa knives, with four components, including the ‘lobster claw’ can opener. So this was the ‘standard’.

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #802 on: June 05, 2022, 03:52:09 PM
Thanks Agamemnon!  Very clear and helpful. 

Myron
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #803 on: July 06, 2022, 10:49:28 PM
Recently I acquired this Victorinox 'Forester DAK' (with corkscrew), as seen on the bottom of the picture. Earlier on I already had acquired the Victorinox 'Trailmaster DAK' (with Phillips). Both knives have the Netherlands defence 'Interservice' logo.

Both have no reverse tang stamp, but as you can see there are some differences between the knives. The Forester has the modified 'PRESS' liner lock, and it has a wider blade.

Both knives are not known to be officially issued. My wild guess is that these are prototypes, or maybe replenishments.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #804 on: July 08, 2022, 03:08:52 PM
Extremely cool, EMZ!
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #805 on: July 09, 2022, 11:01:07 AM
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Well done EMZ  :cheers:

I like to think that I already have all variants of the DAK knives and that I can sit back and relax.

Nothing could be further from the truth: regularly a DAK pops up that I don't have, like this one without the "reverse tang stamp". I do have the variant with the “reverse tang stamp – DE-GM 9305297”. (So from before 2006). This means there are more variants than the ones I knew; so I don't know them all.  :o

So I will have to intensify my 'hunt' for this missing variant.

Good catch again EMZ and see you next time. :salute:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #806 on: September 24, 2022, 04:07:40 PM
Victorinox SwissCard Lite (red light) with Netherlands Royal Army logo.
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Reply #807 on: September 24, 2022, 11:39:23 PM
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #808 on: November 03, 2022, 05:34:40 PM
Catch of the day!

Any idea of the market value ? Can't find any information except the previous photos on this forum?

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #809 on: November 03, 2022, 09:08:04 PM
Very good find!
An expert on metalworking told me the aluminium box is rather expensive. These boxes are handmade and welded.
Could you order one, it would costs you at least 50-60 Euro, probably more.
However if you find this complete survival kit on the 'marktplaats' (market place) web page it will be around 50 Euro. I think...
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