triple handle, dual head (scissors/pliers), 4 outside opening tools, multitool

[Raukodur]

Had an idea, which the title sums up, and hopefully the rather crappy paint pic attached helps to explain.

Basically, three handles, allowing the tool to include both a scissor head and plier head. Due to the triple pliers, from what I can imagine, it would only be able to have 4 outside opening tools in the same way the squirt / charge / wave / surge LM tools have, i.e. metal sleeves which add to the thickness of the tool, but allow you to have the extra tools opening outside +/- liner locks if the tool is big enough.

Any comments / criticisms / ideas for improvements?

[Raukodur]

bit surprised by the lack of responses on this one  my description not make any sense and/or the picture too indecipherable?

If anyone can figure out how to get more tools (apart from the 4 outside opening ones) into a tool designed like this, would be most interested to hear.

[Pacu]

looks good to me..needlenose and blunt in one

[Styerman]

Sometimes it's a good idea to make a working model using either plastic card or cardboard . FWIW , I like the lines , looks very clean .

Chris

[BlueDot]

It looks like it could work.  The big advantage IMO is having 2 pliery tools- but only as thick as a single.

Maybe Leatherman sill see it and make a SuperCharge, or slightly smaller Juicy-juice.  That's the one I want.

[dbnyc]

The way you've drawn the heads, I don't see why they have to be offset.  Couldn't you straighten the sides, move the heads to the middle and have the middle handle piece be diagonal across the body?

[BlueDot]

Good catch dbnyc.

And welcome to MT.O

[Raukodur]

The way you've drawn the heads, I don't see why they have to be offset.  Couldn't you straighten the sides, move the heads to the middle and have the middle handle piece be diagonal across the body?

No I dont believe this is possible, because of the way the tool flips around when you open it to access the plier or scissor head. It causes the extra third handle to come in the middle. If the two side handles arent triangular, and are rectangular, that wouldnt allow the third handle to fit in the centre when the plier head or scissor head is open.

I may be mistaken on this, but I had originally tried to draw this as three rectangular handles.

[Gareth]

That's a good looking bit of design mate.  I'd love to see even a cardboard physical prototype.

[Raukodur]

That's a good looking bit of design mate.  I'd love to see even a cardboard physical prototype.

just wasted 3 hours and failed miserably

my own fault for using too thick card, too small a scale (1:1), and the wrong thin for the pivots (couldnt find any alternatives so used drawing pins, but their heads get in the way, and have to bend their ends with a pair of pliers).

When I can be arsed may try again with a larger scale, thinner card, and more suitable pivot.

[ryan1835]

these would work

[Raukodur]

Yep, that is what I originally trying to find, but of course you can never find something you need when you actually need it, hence me resorting to drawing pins.

But as it happens, I was going about it the wrong way, I should have used thinner card and larger sizes.

BTW, what are those pins called?

[ryan1835]

Yep, that is what I originally trying to find, but of course you can never find something you need when you actually need it, hence me resorting to drawing pins.

But as it happens, I was going about it the wrong way, I should have used thinner card and larger sizes.

BTW, what are those pins called?

i googled split pins and they came up i cant think of the right name though

[Raukodur]

is there some kind of easy to use drawing program, where you could easily design a 2d version of a multitool, by drawing in overlapping solid shapes and putting in pivots, etc.?

[ryan1835]

CAD software is all i can think off

and i think there called paper fasteners

[dbnyc]

is there some kind of easy to use drawing program, where you could easily design a 2d version of a multitool, by drawing in overlapping solid shapes and putting in pivots, etc.?

Try Inkscape http://www.inkscape.org/download/?lang=en.  Inkscape is a 2d program and they have good tutorials.  Spend an hour or so in the Help menu under "Tutorials".

If you're moving to 3d, try Google SketchUp http://sketchup.google.com/.  I've never used it but I've heard it's user friendly.

[Nikos]

Nice idea mate. I do see a lot of pinching in its future though...

[Inzelique]

I have been trying to figure out a way to exactly this same thing.  Your design looks MUCH better than the ones I tried.  Design a knifeless version for me

[J-sews]

Had an idea, which the title sums up, and hopefully the rather crappy paint pic attached helps to explain.

Basically, three handles, allowing the tool to include both a scissor head and plier head. Due to the triple pliers, from what I can imagine, it would only be able to have 4 outside opening tools in the same way the squirt / charge / wave / surge LM tools have, i.e. metal sleeves which add to the thickness of the tool, but allow you to have the extra tools opening outside +/- liner locks if the tool is big enough.

Any comments / criticisms / ideas for improvements?

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Oooh, I missed seeing this one earlier. Interesting concept!


Hmmm, that center handle..........it would have to be a sort of square tube, with a portion cut away on opposite sides (and opposite ends) in order to allow the plier heads to pivot out. (Hope that makes sense?)




Being a full tube, it might be more difficult to mass produce than the usual stamped C-channel handle...?

[Raukodur]

yeah Bob, thats exactly as I had imagined it.

[Mercury]

This actually sounds feasible with pirated parts.  I may attempt something like this when I can get enough mod fodder for it.  So that means never.  Bob? 

[SlackOne]

Couldn't that middle piece be done as two side scales with an H-shaped stiffener between the two parts?  It would mean more parts, but it could all be machined out of flat sheet steel at that point.

[J-sews]

Couldn't that middle piece be done as two side scales with an H-shaped stiffener between the two parts?  It would mean more parts, but it could all be machined out of flat sheet steel at that point.

I think you're right! Like the the pliers end of a SwissTool for instance. There are the two individual side plates, with a seperate U-shaped bracket for the plier pivot/plier backspring. All you would need for Raukodur's tool is a second U-bracket on the opposite end of the first one.

[Raukodur]

Given the rise in awesome modding projects going on on the forums nowadays, thought I would resurrect this thread.

[Metropolicity]

this LOOKS good, but I can't wrap my head around it

I do have a substantial collection of parts, but I would be mor inclined to try to make a pair of full sized shears and pliers. I often used both and to have them in one...

hmm.. *think*

[Raukodur]

I think some sort of prototype to show how it would work would be useful. I don't have the tools or materials at hand, but if one of the geniuses around here could give it a go... 

[Metropolicity]

I just gained access to a laser cutter and CNC plasma cutter again.

mmmmm...maker space.

If I have some downtown. I'll see what I can do.

For starts tho, I think you can do a thinner handles on ONE side of the scissors, that would slim things up considerable.

[WWW]

Very interesting concept...

I never liked the looks of scissors on plier based MT's, always liked Wenger's though. Still having pliers and sciccors on a Ranger would make it too thick, so I like your idea.

Sorry if I can't help much but I'm eager to see what will come out!

[ducttapetech]

I dont know how i missed this, but this is a cool idea. I think you are on to something here and seems very plausible.

[Raukodur]

For starts tho, I think you can do a thinner handles on ONE side of the scissors, that would slim things up considerable.

Sorry, being a bit thick, what do you mean?