Loose part on my Farmer

[Jerry Drake]

First of all, I'm new here and I would like to say hello to all of you.
Two weeks ago I've bought an Alox Farmer and after a few days I've noticed that the part that holds a key ring is not fixed in a place. It has a little "walk" when I'm touching it with my finger. This is what they answered from Victorinox:

Dear Mr...
Thank you very much for your e-mail dated 15th August 2010 and being interested in the «Farmer 0.8241.26» from Victorinox. We are pleased to answer your question.
It is true that the key ring spacer is not fixed and there is some kind of “play”. This is necessary for the functionality of the knife. If you open the blade for example, the return spring bends and needs some space so that the parts do not jam.
If you require any further information, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Yours sincerely,

Victorinox AG

Franziska Zuber

But I'm not sure that we understood each other correctly. Ther is no "play" while I'm opening tools (like on my Mountaineer for example), but when the all tools are closed.
Does anyone have the same experience?
Thanks.

P.S. It's great from Victorinox that they've answered so quickly. That shows that they care for they costumers.

[Jmora]

Hi, welcome to the forum.

I had a look at my farmer just now and notice the same thing. Now I've just checked a few other SAKs from my collection and notice the same thing on just about all of them. So it is unlikely to be an individual fault. It doesn't bother me. Some modders (SAK construction and destruction experts) will probably be able to give you a more technical answer.

[Zag]

First of all: Welcome Jerry!

I have just been checking my Farmer which i carry every day and yes there is a little bit of play with the keyring plate but to be fair i haven't noticed it before reading your email  

[Jerry Drake]

Thanks for your welcome and answers!

I'm glad it's not a failure because Victorinox is not known as a company that makes mistakes.

Here is a few pisc of my (so far) collection. Well, Mountaineer is my girlfriends.

[MultiMat]

Yep my new Farmer is the same , I had not noticed it before now though.

Funny I have spent a couple of hours trying too find my Farmer over the last couple of days.
I was going a bit  .
It was in the pocket of the last pair of jeans I had not checked  . Very nice to have found it

[Neil]

Yep my new Farmer is the same , I had not noticed it before now though.

Funny I have spent a couple of hours trying too find my Farmer over the last couple of days.
I was going a bit  .
It was in the pocket of the last pair of jeans I had not checked  . Very nice to have found it

Never done that before <COUGH> 

Welcome to the forum JD 

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Welcome to the forum mate

Great choice in the Farmer by the way

[AHB]

Welcome to MT.O Jerry.. 
I'm probably the only member that hasn't got a Farmer, but Vic is top notch..   

[Aloxfan]

Well, Mountaineer is my girlfriends.

I am jealous of you guys with girlfriends who carry knives.  My wife is not really into that sort of thing.  I did convince her it was a good idea to keep a Victorinox Classic SD in her purse though.  She finds the scissors very useful.  I agree on that front.  I have a black alox Classic on my key ring...though I obviously carry an additional SAK in the same pocket.

[Gareth]

Welcome to the forum Jerry.

Welcome to MT.O Jerry.. 
I'm probably the only member that hasn't got a Farmer, but Vic is top notch..   

The only Farmer I have has been vastly improved by adding a set of scissors.

[Jerry Drake]

Thanx guys!

@Aloxfan-at first my girlfriend wasn't interested in SAK, but after I bought it to her she use it almost every day (mostly scissors) and carrying it in her purse. And guess what, today she said that she would like to have a "purple Juice". I was shocked at first, but than I said: "Why not Vic Spirit?" 

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Welcome to MT.O Jerry.. 
I'm probably the only member that hasn't got a Farmer, but Vic is top notch..   

Sort it out Allan

[AHB]

Welcome to MT.O Jerry.. 
I'm probably the only member that hasn't got a Farmer, but Vic is top notch..   

Sort it out Allan

When the Farmer gets plierbased, I'll be first in line...   

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Welcome to MT.O Jerry.. 
I'm probably the only member that hasn't got a Farmer, but Vic is top notch..   

Sort it out Allan

When the Farmer gets plierbased, I'll be first in line...   

What? And ruin those sexy, sexy lines

[ryan1835]

Welcome to MT.O Jerry.. 
I'm probably the only member that hasn't got a Farmer, but Vic is top notch..   

sorry to ruin it for you allan but i dont have one either, shall we make a no farmer club together? 

[AHB]

Welcome to MT.O Jerry.. 
I'm probably the only member that hasn't got a Farmer, but Vic is top notch..   

sorry to ruin it for you allan but i dont have one either, shall we make a no farmer club together? 

Not a bad idea actually...

[ryan1835]

we could just call it the no mike club 

[Aloxfan]

the part that holds a key ring is not fixed in a place. It has a little "walk" when I'm touching it with my finger.

Just checked out my Farmers and Pioneers.  All of them have the wiggle on the keyring holder.  Crazy thing is I never noticed it until now.  Thanks man...

[P35]

the part that holds a key ring is not fixed in a place. It has a little "walk" when I'm touching it with my finger.

Just checked out my Farmers and Pioneers.  All of them have the wiggle on the keyring holder.  Crazy thing is I never noticed it until now.  Thanks man...

same here, Cadets as well

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

we could just call it the no mike club 

Ben, the button if you will

[Spork, Lord of Lime Jello!]

we could just call it the no mike club 

Ben, the button if you will

Would I have to get rid of my Farmers to join that club? 

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

we could just call it the no mike club 

Ben, the button if you will

Would I have to get rid of my Farmers to join that club? 

No, I'm happy for you to join

[Spork, Lord of Lime Jello!]

we could just call it the no mike club 

Ben, the button if you will

Would I have to get rid of my Farmers to join that club? 

No, I'm happy for you to join

[Turnstone]

I noticed the same on my Farmer and Pioneer some time ago, but didn't bother about it. Good to hear that it is normal!

[AHB]

This thread clearly shows that Vics QC are going down the drain... 


Who would believe LM if they replied the same way with the alleged rust issues:
This is necessary for the functionality of the knifetool.

 

[Jmora]

This thread clearly shows that Vics QC are going down the drain... 


Who would believe LM if they replied the same way with the alleged rust issues:
This is necessary for the functionality of the knifetool.

 

its a curious psychological fact that when a cult leader's prediction of the end of the world or arrival of the mothership or whatever fail to materialize , this actually strengthens the believers' faith, not weakens it . In this spirit, I would like to add that Vic's imperfections only further prove their ultimate divine perfection .

[Spork, Lord of Lime Jello!]

I know for a fact that if you were to rivet the pin tight enough so that the plate does not shift...the blades and springs will bind.

[knyha]

First of all, I'm new here and I would like to say hello to all of you.
Two weeks ago I've bought an Alox Farmer and after a few days I've noticed that the part that holds a key ring is not fixed in a place.

I believe that it is a matter of construction.
Look at it – every "solid part" in a knife is holded by at least two rivets (scales, liners), moving parts are holded with tension of springs (springs, blades).
Moving part (blades) in a knife is holded by 1 rivet – to be able to move.

This small part – you are talking about is holded just by 1 rivet – so it is a little bit moveable.
This small part is by every  91mm, 85mm knife – it is not possible to hold it with 2 rivets to be unmovable, because there are tools to be moving.

Try this
Take any 85mm/91mm knife, open the small blade to a half opened position and try to push that thing next to the small blade (with needle, pen, awl or something)  – you will see that EVERY knife has this part and it has some play (because it holds on a single rivet and nothing else).
You just didn´t noticed it, because by those knives is the keyring a part of backspring (Openers-layer) and not part of that little thing.
Wenger 85mm knives have simmilar part next to the main blade – do the same – open the main blade in half-opened position and push it with pen – it is possible to move.

I think that this part have to have some play, because the spring is moving there too,
If it wouldn´t be movable then springs wouldn´t move there too.

It is nothing wrong with it – it is just the normal and usual part of knife-construction – 85mm, 91mm, 93mm, maybe others too.

[Jerry Drake]

You are right knyha. Here is the official Victorinox explanation:

Dear Mr. ...
Thank you very much for your replay dated 19th August 2010. We are pleased to send you additional information in more details.
The eyelet for the key ring of a Swiss Army Knife is attached to the spring system.



On the other hand, the eyelet of an Alox Knife is attached to a separate spacer, as you can see in the following link.




We assume that this difference in construction causes the effect what you are calling “little walk". Nevertheless, if you are not happy with its quality please do not hesitate to send the knife to our customer service in your country. We are very sorry for the trouble you have had in this matter.

Victorinox guarantees all knives and tools to be of first class stainless steel and also guarantees a life time against any defects in material and workmanship (2 years for electronic components).

Homepage «Representatives»
Victorinox AG
customer service
attn. Franziska Zuber


Class act from Victorinox! 

[Gareth]

Very good of them.