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ST 200 Owners Club

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Re: ST 200 Owners Club
Reply #660 on: September 07, 2022, 03:09:10 PM
Wow!  I had no idea they clearance old models through outlets like those.


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Re: ST 200 Owners Club
Reply #661 on: September 07, 2022, 08:20:05 PM
They haven't since then :oops:

I was a newer member here and others were talking about it :woohoo:

I took a chance and the store I went to had KF4s, ST200s and PSTs :ahhh I didn't get a PST and still kick myself over that :facepalm:


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Re: ST 200 Owners Club
Reply #662 on: September 07, 2022, 08:22:06 PM
They haven't since then :oops:

I was a newer member here and others were talking about it :woohoo:

I took a chance and the store I went to had KF4s, ST200s and PSTs :ahhh I didn't get a PST and still kick myself over that :facepalm:
Incredible. 


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Re: ST 200 Owners Club
Reply #663 on: September 08, 2022, 06:14:17 PM
I’m curious about when the ST200 switched over to TOOL cast into the plier head rather than USA.  With PST the rough date is 0601.

As a result of a CA lawsuit around the same time, LTG had to stop using USA on their tools until a certain threshold of parts could be made in USA.

There are even tools where USA was ground out of the plier head, which is one I have and why I’m curious about the dates on your tools.

Copied over from Original ST Owners Club from McStitchy and Ponch65

BO CC ST200 1001/ 1101 USA
BO ST200 0102/ 0102 USA
BO ST200 0304/ 1003 USA GROUND OUT
BO ST200 0204/ 0304 TOOL
SS ST200 0403/ 0803 TOOL


According to my spreadsheet earliest/latest handle dates for my ST200's are:
earliest "USA" Pliers ST200 is "0901/1001"
latest "USA" pliers ST200CC is "1201/0102"
earliest "Tool" pliers ST200 is "1102/0203"
earliest "Tool" pliers ST200CC is "0703/1003"

Of course these are the dates the handles were made, not the date the pliers were fitted to handles, and knowing the way LM assembled tools from bins of parts it is hard to pin down a definitive changeover date (not to mention later warranty repairs that can really muddy the dating waters).

I also have a pre-production ST200 that has  no date codes on the handles, with laser etched markings on handle (not stamped).  I believe this was made for a Shot Show.
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Re: ST 200 Owners Club
Reply #664 on: September 08, 2022, 06:27:29 PM
That’s great information.  I was hoping to pin down more details on this ‘Ground Out’ version.  They went somewhere, but I doubt they went into retail packaging.  The dates on mine are later too so the plier head likely was sitting around for a bit, regardless of when they ground it out… although the BO was done after so there’s that detail as well.


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Re: ST 200 Owners Club
Reply #665 on: September 10, 2022, 01:02:44 AM
Well my newest ST200 is 1005 in both handles and has Tool :D

Very well could have been some of the last ones made  :ahhh :dunno: :D


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Re: ST 200 Owners Club
Reply #666 on: September 10, 2022, 01:52:44 PM
According to my spreadsheet earliest/latest handle dates for my ST200's are:
earliest "USA" Pliers ST200 is "0901/1001"
latest "USA" pliers ST200CC is "1201/0102"
earliest "Tool" pliers ST200 is "1102/0203"
earliest "Tool" pliers ST200CC is "0703/1003"

Of course these are the dates the handles were made, not the date the pliers were fitted to handles, and knowing the way LM assembled tools from bins of parts it is hard to pin down a definitive changeover date (not to mention later warranty repairs that can really muddy the dating waters).

I also have a pre-production ST200 that has  no date codes on the handles, with laser etched markings on handle (not stamped).  I believe this was made for a Shot Show.

How about  a picture of the pre production one   :pok:


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Re: ST 200 Owners Club
Reply #667 on: September 11, 2022, 05:19:04 PM
Here is the full write up I did on the tool I was referencing.  There was definitely some new to me information uncovered in the process.

// Leatherman Super Tool 200 - Operation Iraqi Freedom Prototype

“The story of this prototype tool starts in the mid 1980’s when Stuart Leatherman, National Sales Manager for Leatherman Tool Group at the time and brother to Tim Leatherman, formed a relationship with the Army and Air Force Exchange Service (AAFES) for the inclusion of Leatherman Tools on all US Army and Air Force bases worldwide.  Ray Downs, the AAFES Knife and Tool buyer of 20+ years, worked with Stuart and Tim to first place the Pocket Survival Tool in the AAFES ordering system. 

The tool sold well, especially variations with blasting cap crimpers, but over time Ray encouraged the team at Leatherman to provide clamshell packaging for items to help buyers ‘see’ their tools up front and when they did, sales took off. 

AAFES became the single largest buyer for Leatherman and their significance was that they could get product onto the battlefield within 48 hours whereas SOCOM, the government issuance system, would take months due to purchasing protocols for the US Armed Forces.

In 2004, with their working relationship decades old now, Stuart brought this Super Tool 200 to Ray for a limited run to be sold with AAFES.  The handles are etched respectively: Operation Iraqi Freedom, 1 of 5000.  The plier head is consistent with tools that wouldn’t be made for stateside fulfillment at the time since “USA” had been ground out as a result of a previous court case in California.  Due to the black oxide coating on this unit, there was concern for AAFES as to how well the tool would hold up in the field.  Ray informed Stuart that he was traveling to Iraq for 6 months and that he would carry it with him as a trial run.  Upon his return Ray decided not to pick up the order of 5000 units since the black oxide had shown signs of wear greater than the government standard at the time.  They continued to work together until Stuart retired in 2011.”



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Re: ST 200 Owners Club
Reply #668 on: September 11, 2022, 05:44:25 PM
Great info there Legend.  :hatsoff:
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Re: ST 200 Owners Club
Reply #669 on: September 11, 2022, 05:58:04 PM
 :iagree: Very interesting, thanks for sharing! Excellent picture too :tu:


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Re: ST 200 Owners Club
Reply #670 on: September 11, 2022, 07:12:16 PM


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Re: ST 200 Owners Club
Reply #671 on: September 12, 2022, 05:11:22 AM
Thanks, guys.  For a piece I took a gamble on, I was delighted with how much information was uncovered.


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Re: ST 200 Owners Club
Reply #672 on: September 12, 2022, 01:53:36 PM
Here are some pics that Greg sent me of his pre production ST200 with etched logo

 
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Reply #673 on: September 12, 2022, 01:55:40 PM
And a promotional ST200 also from Greg.


 
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Re: ST 200 Owners Club
Reply #674 on: September 12, 2022, 02:28:29 PM
Very cool :o :salute: :like: :like:


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Re: ST 200 Owners Club
Reply #675 on: September 12, 2022, 02:59:34 PM
These are rad!


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Re: ST 200 Owners Club
Reply #676 on: September 12, 2022, 04:18:15 PM
 :iagree: That is awesome, Steve!


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Re: ST 200 Owners Club
Reply #677 on: October 24, 2022, 02:26:27 AM
« Last Edit: October 24, 2022, 07:27:37 PM by Poncho65 »


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Re: ST 200 Owners Club
Reply #678 on: October 24, 2022, 06:21:16 PM
Here is the full write up I did on the tool I was referencing. 

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Weird... I actually had fun reading something  :D
Thanks Legend  :hatsoff:


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Re: ST 200 Owners Club
Reply #679 on: October 24, 2022, 06:22:11 PM
Here are some pics that Greg sent me of his pre production ST200 with etched logo

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Thanks Greg for the pics!
And Steve for uploading them here  :hatsoff:


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Re: ST 200 Owners Club
Reply #680 on: October 26, 2022, 06:53:25 AM
Upon his return Ray decided not to pick up the order of 5000 units since the black oxide had shown signs of wear greater than the government standard at the time.  They continued to work together until Stuart retired in 2011.”

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Ok legend the suspense is killing me, where did the 5000 units go?



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Re: ST 200 Owners Club
Reply #682 on: November 28, 2022, 01:56:54 PM


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Re: ST 200 Owners Club
Reply #683 on: November 28, 2022, 05:45:37 PM
 :iagree: that is a great deal, seems to be in great shape and yes, an OG :cheers: :like:


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Re: ST 200 Owners Club
Reply #684 on: December 10, 2022, 01:55:51 PM
Look at my lovely locks  :D



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Reply #685 on: December 10, 2022, 02:16:25 PM
Great picture, Adam :like:


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Reply #686 on: December 10, 2022, 02:42:55 PM
Thanks, nakken  :cheers:


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Re: ST 200 Owners Club
Reply #687 on: December 10, 2022, 02:52:39 PM


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Re: ST 200 Owners Club
Reply #688 on: December 10, 2022, 04:48:50 PM


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Re: ST 200 Owners Club
Reply #689 on: December 10, 2022, 04:49:51 PM
ST200 got some usage today  :tu:




 

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