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Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth 91284

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #60 on: December 23, 2007, 03:44:04 PM »
Thanks :D

To me, the plier head used is either going to be weak when loosening or weak when tightening. How many people have actually had their tools break because of the old design pliers?

I've never had a break, but I've seen at least two old Leatherman PST's with plier pivots that were sprung. The tips of the needlenose jaws no longer lined up as a result. It seems likely that this was caused by trying to loosen a stuck bolt with the pliers.

(But you are absolutely correct, if the jaws were opposite handed, the same thing could have happened while tightening a bolt. :-\


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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #61 on: December 23, 2007, 04:02:17 PM »
Thanks :D

To me, the plier head used is either going to be weak when loosening or weak when tightening. How many people have actually had their tools break because of the old design pliers?

while I've heard about quite a few other brand tools plier heads breaking the only Swisstool pliers I have heard about was a guy on Bladeforums who had a relation who used a Swisstool to hold things while welding and while there were no photos to confirm the story I can easily believe it due to the heat involved with welding . The temper of the steel must have been changed and I think it wouldnt have made any difference what tool the guy had used the result would have been the same .Apart from that I have never known anyone to break the pliers on a Swisstool . Come to think of it I dont know anyone to have broken any tools on a swisstool , apart from me  :D when I bent the screwdriver/caplifter using it as a prybar  :D  Yes I know theres a dedicated prybar on the tool but I didnt use it at the time  ::) Still i bent it back straight and its just as normal as ever  :D


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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #62 on: December 24, 2007, 02:58:53 AM »
That doesn't surprise me. I would be more inclined to think that the weakest point on these tools would be where the plier heads are attached to the handles, and even then they'd be pretty tough.
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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #63 on: January 26, 2008, 11:12:50 AM »
Just took a couple of pics that I think you may find interesting

The oldest Swisstool is in the left on both pictures . In the first photo both pliers are FULLY open and the second pic FULLY closed . Seems to me the older plier head out performs the newer one in terms of opening and comfort when gripping something because the handles are closer together





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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #64 on: January 26, 2008, 10:32:04 PM »
Interesting! I wonder if this is a result of thickening of the plier jaws at the base of the new model?

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #65 on: June 02, 2008, 07:34:59 AM »
Is it just my eyes or does the new head's pivot pin look smaller in diameter?

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #66 on: July 24, 2008, 09:52:06 PM »
I really appreciate this thread. The photo of all the Swisstool versions and the detail discussed here is helpful.
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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #67 on: July 26, 2008, 10:57:29 AM »
Is it just my eyes or does the new head's pivot pin look smaller in diameter?

The pivot pin on the newer heads look smaller indeed...  :o
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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #68 on: August 01, 2008, 10:14:55 PM »
I have never known anyone to break the pliers on a Swisstool .

here's proof we live in a fallen world.....

http://forum.multitool.or...dex.php/topic,4509.0.html
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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #69 on: August 02, 2008, 12:35:34 AM »
The posting with the picture has expired.

We do have a picture of the owner:

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #70 on: August 02, 2008, 10:04:28 AM »
 :D :D :D

I think it would take king kong to break a Swisstool :o :o

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #71 on: August 24, 2008, 06:04:05 AM »
I agree, personally I suspect that Leatherman photo shopped the broken SwissTool in a futile effort to establish thier product superiority. I will say this I do miss the Longer Reach on the Leatherman sometimes.

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #72 on: September 14, 2008, 08:21:35 AM »
I think it's cool that apparently a member of the founder's family is answering emails.

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #73 on: September 14, 2008, 08:25:31 AM »
Welcome aboard ChadHahn !
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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #74 on: September 14, 2008, 09:01:53 AM »
I think it's cool that apparently a member of the founder's family is answering emails.

Chad
 

Welcome buddy  :D Where you from ?


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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #75 on: September 14, 2008, 11:07:05 AM »
I think it's cool that apparently a member of the founder's family is answering emails.

Chad
 
Welcome aboard matey :)

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #76 on: September 14, 2008, 06:01:01 PM »
Thanks for the welcome.  I'm from Arizona. 

I used what I found out in this post was a '95 Swisstool as my Multitool of choice on a cross-country motorcycle trip (at least from AZ to NE and back again) a few years ago.  I never had to use the tool, probably because the bike was intimidated by the presence of the Swisstool.   :sak:

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #77 on: September 14, 2008, 06:47:27 PM »
I never had to use the tool, probably because the bike was intimidated by the presence of the Swisstool.   :sak:

Chad


:D :D :D

So what bike did you ride mate ???, there's a few active and ex bikers over here :)

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #78 on: September 14, 2008, 07:06:11 PM »
An 82 Honda CB900C.  Shaft driven with overdrive transmission and air suspension.  Because of the sidebags it really started to shake around 100 MPH in western Kansas. 

Three days from Tucson to Lincoln, NE.  Boy was my butt sore!

I haven't driven it since that trip because I had a child and my wife doesn't think being a dad and having a motorcycle mix.  Especially in a state and town with lots of half-blind and deaf snowbirds.  :o

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #79 on: September 14, 2008, 07:08:18 PM »
An 82 Honda CB900C.  Shaft driven with overdrive transmission and air suspension.  Because of the sidebags it really started to shake around 100 MPH in western Kansas. 

Three days from Tucson to Lincoln, NE.  Boy was my butt sore!

I haven't driven it since that trip because I had a child and my wife doesn't think being a dad and having a motorcycle mix.  Especially in a state and town with lots of half-blind and deaf snowbirds.  :o

Chad


Nice old school ride mate :), perfect for putting the miles on :)

Yeah I've a similar story, I rode everyday for 11 years, but it's just too dangerous, especially if you've got kiddies :-\
So I've given it up too.

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #80 on: October 18, 2008, 08:01:35 PM »
So why is it inherent in the Swisstool design that the plier head needs to be a snubnose?  They did a good job of giving the Spirit a more needlenose design.  Does one of the Swisstool implements get in the way of making the nose more pointed?  Swisstool must surely be aware of this issue by now.   

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #81 on: October 18, 2008, 09:26:52 PM »
I like the Swisstools pliers just the way they are . Very strong at the tip . I've nothing against needle nose and I have a few multitools with them but the Swisstools pliers allow you to twist something gripped in the tip very hard where this would have a true needle nose crossing its jaws and breaking .Once again this boils down to the ' End of the World ' must have multitool .The Swisstools pliers may look stubby but they are the strongest I've come across .

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #82 on: October 20, 2008, 07:09:07 PM »
So they're purposely made stubby for maximum grip and reliability.  That's consistent with making a big tool for big jobs.  But is there another implement in the way of making it a needlenose?

Also, has anyone tried to polish the plier head, especially the sides?

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #83 on: October 20, 2008, 09:15:09 PM »
No I've never tried to polish the plier head . Never thought about it to be honest , I either have drawer queens like my Elsener Signature model or a user that gets knocked about and couldnt see the point of polishing that .

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #84 on: October 20, 2008, 10:03:12 PM »
Nope, never polished mine either, what benifit would there be for polishing the pliers mate :think:

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #85 on: October 20, 2008, 10:10:09 PM »
Nope, never polished mine either, what benifit would there be for polishing the pliers mate :think:

Less drag?  :D

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #86 on: October 20, 2008, 10:12:44 PM »
Nope, never polished mine either, what benifit would there be for polishing the pliers mate :think:

Less drag?  :D
More chances to see my beautiful reflection maybe :think: :D

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #87 on: October 20, 2008, 10:13:54 PM »
Nope, never polished mine either, what benifit would there be for polishing the pliers mate :think:

Less drag?  :D
More chances to see my beautiful reflection maybe :think: :D

Yeah I'd get a BO one if I were you buddy.  ;) :D

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #88 on: October 20, 2008, 10:14:45 PM »
Nope, never polished mine either, what benifit would there be for polishing the pliers mate :think:

Less drag?  :D
More chances to see my beautiful reflection maybe :think: :D

Yeah I'd get a BO one if I were you buddy.  ;) :D
Sod :D :D

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #89 on: October 21, 2008, 01:44:45 AM »
Nope, never polished mine either, what benifit would there be for polishing the pliers mate :think:

Less drag?  :D
More chances to see my beautiful reflection maybe :think: :D

Yeah I'd get a BO one if I were you buddy.  ;) :D

Oooh, that was a good one! :D

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