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Grant Lamontagne · **on:** November 02, 2007, 02:25:46 AM

I can't remember which episode it was, but I was watching one a few days ago in which Adam used (or rather tried to use) a Hibben Double Shadow to cut something.

Hibben's knives, produced by United Cutlery (actually, not produced by, but marketed by after being produced in China) are pretty much decorative and not useful for anything. The steel is crappy and the blades are extremely thick, and as Adam seemed to quickly find out, they really don't cut well at all. He made an initial crappy cut in whatever it was, then almost instantly pulled out his Leatherman, which you then saw on the table, handier than the silly fixed blade.

I would think that a guy doing a job like that would know better than to waste his time with cheap tools. I am guessing that he knows that now!

Def

Leatherman123 · **Reply #1 on:** November 02, 2007, 02:43:23 AM

He uses a charge right? And Jamie has a Powerlock? Or a Pocket Power Plier?

Grant Lamontagne · **Reply #2 on:** November 02, 2007, 02:45:27 AM

I am pretty certain it's a Charge or maybe a Wave. I'm pretty certain that Jamie uses a PowerLock.

Def

Leatherman123 · **Reply #3 on:** November 02, 2007, 02:48:38 AM

Yes, he has a Charge and an original Wave. But what charge would you say? I think a Ti perhaps? Jamie usually uses a Gerber though- a 800 legend and a recoil.

Grant Lamontagne · **Reply #4 on:** November 02, 2007, 02:52:28 AM

Interesting- I have only ever seen Jamie use the SOG. I guess I need to watch more TV!

Another thing I find interesting is that I never see the sheaths on their belts. Where the heck do they carry them?

Def

Leatherman123 · **Reply #5 on:** November 02, 2007, 02:56:35 AM

I always see jamies powerlock sheath and adams kydex custom sheath.. and before his recoil sheath..

NeitherExtreme · **Reply #6 on:** November 02, 2007, 03:00:10 AM

About that, um... interesting... fixed blade: Maybe it was a gift from a well intentioned but uniformed friend of his. That makes the most sense to me.

Leatherman123 · **Reply #7 on:** November 02, 2007, 03:03:57 AM

I have three knives from united cutlery. All three rambo knives!

Grant Lamontagne · **Reply #8 on:** November 02, 2007, 03:08:27 AM

Gil Hibben designs a fancy knife every year. The Double Shadow was 1991's model. It was an update to 1990's Shadow (aka Single Shadow) which was a simple dagger, and the first of the series.

Many of his models show up in TV and movies because they are fancy. One of his models, the Raven, was in Mortal Combat. They are pretty, and one of these days, when I have money to waste, I may consider getting a few of them (if not the whole set) but for the most part I have better things to spend money on!

The Rambo knives are kind of a letdown too. The first and second ones were designed by Jimmy Lile and started the hollow handle survival knife craze of the 80's. So, given a successful track record like that, what do they do for the third one? Toss Mr Lile, a REAL knifemaker out on his arse and get Gil Hibben in to design a solid handled knife. I wonder who designed the knife for the next Rambo movie- Kit Rae?

Def

Grant Lamontagne · **Reply #9 on:** November 02, 2007, 03:09:35 AM

Oh yeah, I don;t know if I made this clear enough or not, but UNITED CUTLERY IS POO!

Def

Viper · **Reply #10 on:** November 02, 2007, 03:15:28 AM

On all of the episodes I've seen, Adam uses his old style Wave with a sheath similar to a polycarbonate Juice sheath. The only time I've seen Jamie use a tool was when I caught a breif glimpse of a Gerber in his hand. I'm not sure which model, but it had the flick-out pliers. I've seen Jamie use a regular folding knife, but I couldn't identify it. I can say that it wasn't a Spyderco, for sure. I don't think it was a SOG. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a Benchmade. Benchmade is my guess.

For screenshots of Adam's Wave, check the later pages of the Mythbusters thread. I posted three or four shots back when I wasn't as lazy.

Grant Lamontagne · **Reply #11 on:** November 02, 2007, 03:17:09 AM

Jamie definitely has a SOG- that's the one I see the most, but then I don't seem to watch as much as I should!

Def

Dunc · **Reply #12 on:** November 02, 2007, 11:25:54 AM

Sounds like he was having a "Mall Ninja Moment "

Dunc

Grant Lamontagne · **Reply #13 on:** November 02, 2007, 01:58:49 PM

That's pretty well what I was thinking. I wonder if a fan thought it was cool and sent it in as a gift, and he felt inclined to try and use it? It really doesn't seem to fit with everything else on the show- they seem very utilitarian for the most part, and a fancy, decorative knife just doesn't seem like it belongs.

Def

Mike, Lord of the Spammers! · **Reply #14 on:** November 02, 2007, 02:59:06 PM

That sound's like the most plausable explanation doesn't it

I'd love to be the positions were people send me knives because they adore me

_{never gona happen to me is it}

Grant Lamontagne · **Reply #15 on:** November 02, 2007, 03:03:16 PM

Maybe not cheesy knives, but there is at least one cheesy tool on the way because I adore you!

Def

Mike, Lord of the Spammers! · **Reply #16 on:** November 02, 2007, 03:04:51 PM

Quote from: Defender on November 02, 2007, 03:03:16 PM

Maybe not cheesy knives, but there is at least one cheesy tool on the way because I adore you!

Def

Mate you shouldn't have

Is it the frog?

Grant Lamontagne · **Reply #17 on:** November 02, 2007, 03:07:51 PM

Ribbet....

Def

Mike, Lord of the Spammers! · **Reply #18 on:** November 02, 2007, 03:15:09 PM

Quote from: Defender on November 02, 2007, 03:07:51 PM

Ribbet....

Def

Excellent news, especially considering I think I may have damaged the hinge on my push bike today, I may need it to help me fix it

Grant Lamontagne · **Reply #19 on:** November 02, 2007, 03:17:00 PM

Well if you are planning on going anywhere in the next couple of weeks, I'd suggest borrowing a wrench from someone a little closer!

Def

Mike, Lord of the Spammers! · **Reply #20 on:** November 02, 2007, 03:19:46 PM

Quote from: Defender on November 02, 2007, 03:17:00 PM

Well if you are planning on going anywhere in the next couple of weeks, I'd suggest borrowing a wrench from someone a little closer!

Def

My dad's a diesel engineer so I've one or to tool's lying around the place

I'm more than a little hacked of at the bike though, I think it'll end up being a warranty job

Grant Lamontagne · **Reply #21 on:** November 02, 2007, 03:27:34 PM

That's even better!

Do you have a spare to ride in the meantime?

Def

Mike, Lord of the Spammers! · **Reply #22 on:** November 02, 2007, 03:34:27 PM

Quote from: Defender on November 02, 2007, 03:27:34 PM

That's even better!

Do you have a spare to ride in the meantime?

Def

Yeah but there not as nice as this one, it has brakes that work

Grant Lamontagne · **Reply #23 on:** November 02, 2007, 03:36:19 PM

Brakes just keep you from making really good time...

Def

Mike, Lord of the Spammers! · **Reply #24 on:** November 02, 2007, 04:41:13 PM

Quote from: Defender on November 02, 2007, 03:36:19 PM

Brakes just keep you from making really good time...

Def

Yeah but it can be a bit tricky finding a nice soft hedge to slow down with, and the side of vans don't have much give in them these days

Dtrain · **Reply #25 on:** January 06, 2008, 05:33:56 PM

Gil Hibben did the knife for Rambo 4.The knives he makes are not bad,just the ones that United makes.Many years back when I was alot younger,he was at the Cleveland Sportsman show.It was right after Rambo 3 came out.I got to speak with him and look at the the knife he put together.He was a very nice person and took time to speak with me and answer my questions.I am sure he knew that at my age I did not have no where near the money to purchase a handmade editon,but without even batting an eye he let me look at the knife and handle it.It was put together quite well and damm sharp.He has been around for a long time,so I figure he must be doing something right.
I have a United "RamboIII" and there is NO comparision,although I will admit I bought the knife when I was alot younger and did not know better.I took the knife out and beat the hell out of it.I took it out to the field several times during an FTX and everone in the unit used it to chop up various things that needed chopping.I am suprised that neither I or anyone else did not have the blade go flying.The handle would come loose now and again and I would have to retighten the nut.All United did was use a welded on threaded Tang.But,despite my best efforts I could not break it.I will finish by saying that it was no where near as sharp as my KaBar.Looking at it now I realize that it is a,I guess the best way to put it is a "Piece of Junk" that capitalized on the popularity of a movie.I still have but dont use my "Rambo" knife. I certainly would not trust my life to it knowing what I know now.I defientley realize I was lucky that it did not come apart and injure someone or myself.

I think that Jimmy Lile was a great knifemaker also.A DI at Fort Jackson had one of his "First Blood" knives and took it to the field quite a bit.I watched him use that knife hard several times without ever having a problem with it.

He let me try it out a few times when we were cutting branches and such for camoflauge,opening up fire lanes ,ect along with the standard knife chores.from the limited exposure I had to it,it was a damm good knife.

Just my 2 cents Hope I did not offend.I will say that I will have to watch "Mythbusters" alot more.It is my 2 boy's favorite show.

Dtrain

Dunc · **Reply #26 on:** January 06, 2008, 05:42:18 PM

Great post thanks

Dunc

Dtrain · **Reply #27 on:** January 06, 2008, 06:18:39 PM

Defender does put out some good posts.

Dtrain

Dunc · **Reply #28 on:** January 06, 2008, 06:50:07 PM

Quote from: Dtrain on January 06, 2008, 06:18:39 PM

Defender does put out some good posts.

Dtrain

I ment your post

Dunc

Grant Lamontagne · **Reply #29 on:** January 07, 2008, 12:43:01 AM

Quote

Defender does put out some good posts

Well, you make enough posts there's bound to be a good one here and there!

That is my biggest concern with knives from companies like United and Taylor. At least those funky fantasy sword things are likely not ever going to be used, but the more "functional" looking designs, and names suggest a hard working knife, which none of them are.

I hope everyone who is injured by those knives and tools sue the living hell out of those companies.

Def

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