Tomo philosophy

victor7000 · **on:** July 31, 2011, 05:08:07 PM

In case you want to know more about the philosophy behind the Tomo....

Singh · **Reply #1 on:** July 31, 2011, 05:54:03 PM

The philosophy: it's a Classic without tweezers and a toothpick, and encased in a bulky square housing.

AimlessWanderer · **Reply #2 on:** July 31, 2011, 06:18:41 PM

Quote from: shamus on July 31, 2011, 05:54:03 PM

The philosophy: it's a Classic without tweezers and a toothpick, and encased in a bulky square housing.

.. and in order to move away from the masculine form of the Swiss Army Knife and produce a softer image he did away with the curves and made it a ... box. The added psychological perspective adding to the functionality making it more than a knife with scissors ... well that must have been designed out in the latter stages as too costly or something because I can't see it. Maybe it's shown in the instruction manual? Maybe the absence of pliers and toothpick indicate a higher spiritual functionality of not wishing to rid ourselves of foreign bodies such as splinters and bacon rind, but rather to become one with them thus functioning in greater harmony with our surroundings and worldly interactions.

Its masculine, its bovine and its fecal $:-\$

... and I'm sure there's collectors out there trying to get a full set.
Does anyone speak Japanese? Does Tomo mean gullible?

Jmora · **Reply #3 on:** July 31, 2011, 07:29:23 PM

Quote from: 50ft-trad on July 31, 2011, 06:18:41 PM

Quote from: shamus on July 31, 2011, 05:54:03 PM
The philosophy: it's a Classic without tweezers and a toothpick, and encased in a bulky square housing.

.. and in order to move away from the masculine form of the Swiss Army Knife and produce a softer image he did away with the curves and made it a ... box. The added psychological perspective adding to the functionality making it more than a knife with scissors ... well that must have been designed out in the latter stages as too costly or something because I can't see it. Maybe it's shown in the instruction manual? Maybe the absence of pliers and toothpick indicate a higher spiritual functionality of not wishing to rid ourselves of foreign bodies such as splinters and bacon rind, but rather to become one with them thus functioning in greater harmony with our surroundings and worldly interactions.

Its masculine, its bovine and its fecal $:-\$

... and I'm sure there's collectors out there trying to get a full set.
Does anyone speak Japanese? Does Tomo mean gullible?

I think it must mean 'smurf'
I don't understand what could conform to the aesthetic of simplicity better than a classic. It would be interesting to see if it sells.

Sazabi · **Reply #4 on:** July 31, 2011, 07:48:49 PM

They're online for $20/each, which is a bit high, IMO. :/

Jmora · **Reply #5 on:** July 31, 2011, 08:07:46 PM

Quote from: Jmora on July 31, 2011, 07:29:23 PM

Quote from: 50ft-trad on July 31, 2011, 06:18:41 PM
Quote from: shamus on July 31, 2011, 05:54:03 PM
The philosophy: it's a Classic without tweezers and a toothpick, and encased in a bulky square housing.

.. and in order to move away from the masculine form of the Swiss Army Knife and produce a softer image he did away with the curves and made it a ... box. The added psychological perspective adding to the functionality making it more than a knife with scissors ... well that must have been designed out in the latter stages as too costly or something because I can't see it. Maybe it's shown in the instruction manual? Maybe the absence of pliers and toothpick indicate a higher spiritual functionality of not wishing to rid ourselves of foreign bodies such as splinters and bacon rind, but rather to become one with them thus functioning in greater harmony with our surroundings and worldly interactions.

Its masculine, its bovine and its fecal $:-\$

... and I'm sure there's collectors out there trying to get a full set.
Does anyone speak Japanese? Does Tomo mean gullible?
I think it must mean 'smurf'
I don't understand what could conform to the aesthetic of simplicity better than a classic. It would be interesting to see if it sells.

...my joke falls a bit flat when it becomes smurfified.

frugalscotty · **Reply #6 on:** July 31, 2011, 08:41:59 PM

This is the comment I posted when Victorinox announced the Tomo on Facebook a few weeks ago.

I fail to see how this is an improvement on the Classic. It pains me to see this sort of thing instead of real innovation. Companies that market these frivolous variations are at best treading water and at worst on their way out. Let's see some real innovations, please?

Woz · **Reply #7 on:** July 31, 2011, 08:42:22 PM

That is interesting. I read on three forums on the same topic, and NOBODY seems to like the Tomo. Guess it will not be around long, maybe I should get one for a soon-to-be rare collection item

Sazabi · **Reply #8 on:** July 31, 2011, 08:48:22 PM

Quote from: Woz on July 31, 2011, 08:42:22 PM

That is interesting. I read on three forums on the same topic, and NOBODY seems to like the Tomo. Guess it will not be around long, maybe I should get one for a soon-to-be rare collection item

On the contrary, I find it cute, but not work the $20/each price tag. $12-15, maybe, but not $20. I see this as a good piece for advertising for companies, as putting a company logo on it would be easy, so Victorinox has that going for them.

theonew · **Reply #9 on:** July 31, 2011, 10:27:25 PM

If less is more than they should just go all out and leave it as a plastic box with the Victorinox logo on it. That would make it TSA compliant as well

Chako · **Reply #10 on:** July 31, 2011, 10:48:49 PM

I like the design. Not so sure about the philosophy. Of course, I can't add more until I get myself a copy to fondle.

KiwiMark · **Reply #11 on:** August 01, 2011, 12:18:23 AM

I dislike the design and won't be buying one - my current SAKs all appeal to me MUCH more than this rectangular box. For anyone that this design appeals to - fine, but I really don't see how it is any kind of improvement on a normal SAK design.

Chako · **Reply #12 on:** August 01, 2011, 12:41:31 AM

To a collector, this could be a good one to get.

Singh · **Reply #13 on:** August 01, 2011, 12:48:54 AM

It's not a design philosophy.

It's an artsy-fartsy philosophy that has laid insult to Swiss design and functionality.

Tyler_ · **Reply #14 on:** August 01, 2011, 01:58:56 AM

similar to the deluxe
But that egg carton packaging looks like it would disintegrate after 10 years in a collection

Chako · **Reply #15 on:** August 01, 2011, 03:05:12 AM

What? Indoors, it would last indefinitely. Just because it is biodegradable does not mean it will fall apart just sitting on a shelf. You have to bury it in a compost heap and have bacteria work on it, etc. Or you could leave it in the sun and water, but that would take a lot longer. Indoors, it shouldn't fall apart.

EDIT: Either way, all this taking has got me to thinking i need an example or two.

AHB · **Reply #16 on:** August 01, 2011, 07:38:15 AM

Square....

ryan1835 · **Reply #17 on:** August 01, 2011, 08:32:50 AM

im looking forwad to when they bring out the tomo plus

now with added tweezers and tooth pic!

Reinier · **Reply #18 on:** August 01, 2011, 09:37:16 AM

Quote from: Tyler_ on August 01, 2011, 01:58:56 AM

similar to the deluxe

Except for 1 thing: the Tomo is ugly, unlike the Deluxe.

ICanFixThat · **Reply #19 on:** August 01, 2011, 10:32:00 AM

I'm cool with the philosophy and with the packaging, in fact I think the Classic already fully embodies that philosophy for many people. My friend one Skype just told me the other day how surprised she is at how often she uses her keychain sak I had given her during a visit. Many people like her don't think of the classic as mocho or "army", they use the term "swiss army knife" quite affectionatly; it's a universal tool.

I'll check out a Tomo one day, but yes the aesthetics don't really appeal to me at this point... not to mention I actually dislike the classic and much prefer the Ramber/Manager/MiniChamp saks.

So the only thing about the video I find strange, is truely people already think of the Classic the way he was hoping people would, and that has been for a long time before they changed the scales.

Santos · **Reply #20 on:** August 01, 2011, 10:55:15 AM

Funnily after watching the video i wanted a tomo.

I really can empathise with the 'Simple is beautiful' and although i didn't like the look of it when it was first announced i can say i was looking at it from the SAK camp. I don't think it 'insults the swiss' either.
The deluxe looks like a tacky piece of jewellery to me.
I wouldn't buy it for collective value but i would consider it, maybe just consider it, but i wouldn't even be open to that twenty minutes ago.
The fact that i just went to an art exhibition today may be why i'm so open to it

alelser · **Reply #21 on:** August 02, 2011, 05:58:00 AM

I really dig them. It's neat to see the basic blade configuration of the Classic in a different packaging. Far from better, but I know many of us collect models long discontinued with less than ideal tool configurations just to add to the collection. I think it represents a nice trend in Vic's history -- a time where Vic has been able to refocus on the SAK, and not just improving their versatility and range of products.

Styerman · **Reply #22 on:** August 03, 2011, 04:49:16 PM

Dispencing with the scissors is a dumb idea , one of the main selling points of the Classic SD .

Overall a very flawed concept .

Chris

Reinier · **Reply #23 on:** August 03, 2011, 04:55:38 PM

Quote from: Styerman on August 03, 2011, 04:49:16 PM

Dispencing with the scissors is a dumb idea , one of the main selling points of the Classic SD .

Overall a very flawed concept .

Chris

The scissors are still there

Freudian Frog · **Reply #24 on:** August 03, 2011, 05:02:14 PM

I just don't understand how [square housing larger than necessary] is simplicity. Not at all I knife I'd buy to use, though if I saw one I might pick it up on impulse...

I kind of like the egg carton packaging though.

ironraven · **Reply #25 on:** August 04, 2011, 03:14:17 AM

I'm a cynic, I'll admit it now, but I think I know the philophy behind the Tomo.

"Once you have their Money, never give it back."

Same philosphy also includes the bigger the smile, the sharper the knife. Yeah, we should all get that one.

Chako · **Reply #26 on:** August 04, 2011, 03:21:09 AM

Well because the Tomo seems to be fairly vilified, I went and bought one of every colour. I can't wait to see them when they come in. I will even post a photo or two for your enjoyment.

tattoosteve99 · **Reply #27 on:** August 04, 2011, 03:28:41 AM

It's a Japanese philosophy to keep things simple. Therefore square is more simple than round. A little studying on the Japanese culture and you can find the meaning behind this. I like the Japanese philosophy but do tend to like the tried and true design of the SAK.

Stirling3749 · **Reply #28 on:** August 07, 2011, 10:16:44 AM

At least when they bring out the alox Tomo you won't have to feel bad about losing the toothpick and tweezers.

And what's all this about beauty and simplicity? I think it looks stupid and needlessly bulky.

Mini chop sticks in the scales would have made it much cooler.

The packaging is a great idea, it should be used on all future knives.

...That's my $0.02 on the subject.

MirrorEdge · **Reply #29 on:** August 08, 2011, 04:39:50 PM

It's a very lovely SAK but I will be huppier if they made one with the nail file that have screw driver tip. Then they should call it tomo sd

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