What an incredibly unprofessional thing to do...

[jekostas]

So, a pretty well-known tester over at CPF did a battery test on a new Callie's Kustoms 5C IMR 18650 battery and came to the conclusion that it was a pretty good cell.

And then the AW rep came in and pretty tried to take over the thread and crap all over the CK for... I can't figure out what reason.  Were they feeling threatened?

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?320584-Callie-s-Kustoms-18650-High-Discharge-Battery-Review&p=3725312&posted=1#post3725312

Weird.  Just incredibly unprofessional.  CPF lets their vendors do this?  It would be like a Leatherman rep showing up and crapping all over the Gerber or Sog threads on here, and nobody doing anything about it!

[Styerman]

I kinda gave up on CPF , tower of Babel , with some questionable Admins .

The only thing I miss is McGizmo's subforum , an oasis of civility in an arid landscape .

Chris

[BlueDot]

I tend to be more knives than flashlights, but is there an MT.O for the flashlight world?

[Nikos]

Information-wise, CPF is probably your best bet. However, you won't find the warm feeling you get in here in any other forum.

[BlueDot]

Information-wise, CPF is probably your best bet. However, you won't find the warm feeling you get in here in any other forum.

Goes without saying...

[Millhouse]

I tend to be more knives than flashlights, but is there an MT.O for the flashlight world?

There are some quite knowledgeable guys here, especially NutSak.

[PyroJames]

I can't figure out what reason.  Were they feeling threatened?

I would say they're feeling threatened and want to make their competitors appear less favourable.  I agree, this is unprofessionalism to the highest level.  How would AW feel if another company highjacked one of their threads and slammed them?  I guess that AW rep is not familiar with the Golden Rule.

[jekostas]

I can't figure out what reason.  Were they feeling threatened?

I would say they're feeling threatened and want to make their competitors appear less favourable.  I agree, this is unprofessionalism to the highest level.  How would AW feel if another company highjacked one of their threads and slammed them?  I guess that AW rep is not familiar with the Golden Rule.

It's perhaps not so much that AW did the threadjack, it's that the mods over at CPF don't seem to care.  Yes, perhaps the issue was dealt with in private, but they still left the posts up in that thread even though they contribute absolutely nothing to the argument.

[jzmtl]

CPF is profit above all else, they've made that clear years ago.

[PyroJames]

CPF is profit above all else, they've made that clear years ago.

That's very true.

[Heinz Doofenshmirtz]

CPF is profit above all else, they've made that clear years ago.

I've been active on CPF for a while now, and there is a lot of good info there.  Most all of what I know about lights, batteries, and electronics, I learned there.

But yeah, that's been my experience.  Their mods are lax unless you are blatantly offensive or you slam one of their advertisers.  Particularly slamming one of their advertisers; they have pretty much zero tolerance for that. 

[Dtrain]

I tend to be more knives than flashlights, but is there an MT.O for the flashlight world?

There are some quite knowledgeable guys here, especially NutSak.

And Truck Driver Extrodinaires like myself from time to time.....I am sorry I could not resist!

Dtrain

[Grant Lamontagne]

Where would we be without you Pete? 

Def

[Dtrain]

Many would be standing at a Dock somewhere Wondering..."Where is my Frieght LOL"...PS Getting plenty of chances to try out the Maglight that looks all Tactical as I load and unload Trailers and look for the Pro Numbers on the Bills/Freight!

[Heinz Doofenshmirtz]

Quick bump and update of this thread.

I made a post on CPF about a week ago about a new 4Sevens Preon 2 neutral white I bought.

I was very disappointed with the tint of the light; it is cool, not neutral.  While I prefer a warm neutral, neutral is at least just plain white.  Well, the light I got has a clearly blue and green beam.  Blue is a cool color temperature, not a neutral color.  I asked to return or exchange the light, and they told me "variation in tint is normal for LED emitters and doesn't qualify a light for exchange or return".

So I made a post about my experience with the light, and 4Sevens response.  The strongest thing I said was;

"It looks like 4Sevens isn't paying any attention to their tints, as this is the 4th of 5 neutrals I've bought from them in the past two years which have a green tint.  This one is the worst because it's green and blue at the same time.  Until 4Sevens coagulates their feces enough to get some consistency in their tints, I'm off their products."

I was banned for two weeks for that comment.

[Grant Lamontagne]

Wow....

I really have nothing else to say about that....

Wow.

Def

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[Mr. Whippy]

Wow....

I really have nothing else to say about that....

Wow.

Def

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Actually, I see their point.

It should be solidify their feces not coagulate.  Wrong verb usage is clearly a two week bannable event.


 

[jzmtl]

Nah, you are not banned for that comment, you banned for making that comment without being a site sponser/paying memeber.

[Gareth]

If we banned everyone who had a complaint about products we'd have no-one here.

[mvyrmnd]

I hadn't read that thread as it was unfolding... but it seemed to go the way of threads discussing other products. As soon as one percieved (or real) fault is discovered, everyone seems to be keen to weigh in to slag off the product.

As soon as someone pointed out the cell had no PTC, it was all over.

The moderation of the thread does not bug me anywhere near as much as the attitude of some of the posters.

As soon as the CK rep tried to defend his product, it's decided he's a shill only out to promote his crap and the pile on begins.

I've seen it from time to time with other products (the Intellicharge i4 comes to mind). The moderators cut out any comments that become personal, but the sometimes irrational arguments remain.

While I agree entirely with Heinz/B0ws3r's sentiment regarding 4sevens (I haven't bought any 4sevens lights in a long time for exactly the same reason) his choice of words was borderline personal, and since it was directly attacking a revenue stream, I guess I can see the moderators side of things. CPF is a business after all.

But since the policies on attacking manufacturers here is a bit more relaxed, I'd just like to say that I think Gerber is sh*t.   

[Gareth]

I hadn't read that thread as it was unfolding... but it seemed to go the way of threads discussing other products. As soon as one percieved (or real) fault is discovered, everyone seems to be keen to weigh in to slag off the product.

As soon as someone pointed out the cell had no PTC, it was all over.

The moderation of the thread does not bug me anywhere near as much as the attitude of some of the posters.

As soon as the CK rep tried to defend his product, it's decided he's a shill only out to promote his crap and the pile on begins.

I've seen it from time to time with other products (the Intellicharge i4 comes to mind). The moderators cut out any comments that become personal, but the sometimes irrational arguments remain.

While I agree entirely with Heinz/B0ws3r's sentiment regarding 4sevens (I haven't bought any 4sevens lights in a long time for exactly the same reason) his choice of words was borderline personal, and since it was directly attacking a revenue stream, I guess I can see the moderators side of things. CPF is a business after all.

But since the policies on attacking manufacturers here is a bit more relaxed, I'd just like to say that I think Gerber is sh*t.   

 

What we encourage here is constructive criticism and honest personal feedback, not name calling.

Seriously though, this really is what MT.org does best and is an excellent reason to keep the manufacturers at arms length.  This way the members feel free to give "constructive criticism and honest personal feedback" without directly causing offence to the makers.  Also it stops the forum from becoming little more than a advertising board for the makers to use for their own ends.

[Heinz Doofenshmirtz]

I find the more relaxed attitude here, along with the increased separation of the forum administration from the advertisement, to be a great appeal.  It is markedly different here than it is on CPF, and I've also noticed that EDCforums also tends to have a fair amount of incendiary activity as well.  Not to mention that a percentage of the posts there say things that can be just outright frightening at times.

I was certainly upset about my experience with 4Sevens, but at the same time I never said anything that was downright insulting, at least I don't think I did...  I never said "their stuff is s**t" or anything like that.  On the contrary, I have posted positive comments about their products on CPF as well; generally about the build quality of their lights, and the Lego-ability they have. 

Clearly though, one toe over the line with them, and it is typically an arbitrary line, is too much for them.  And mvyrmind's observation accords with mine.  The mods on CPF tend not to do jack when people flame another poster/member directly, but tend to go ape-smurf when someone posts something they perceive as attacking one of their advertisers.

I always tried to participate in a constructive fashion in the forums I'm a member of, and I have a rule that I follow for all forums that I never insult anyone directly unless they attack me first, and even then, if I do respond, I make every effort to not retaliate in any way.  I'll be the first to assume that I've probably not been perfect about that, but I sure as well don't go out of my way to find fault, just the opposite.  If someone says something inflammatory, in general or about/to me specifically, I try to take the high road when dealing with it.

At this point in time, I'm ambivalent about going back to CPF.  I've made some good friends there. I've even made friends with another doctorate level psychologist who posts there, even though he's no longer in academics like I am.  But I still value the experiences and suggestions he shares, and it would be a shame to lose contact with him.

Anyway, I just want to say that even before this incident on CPF I'd already begun to like participating here on MTO more and found it to be a more enjoyable experience.  I also hope that I haven't unintentionally done anything here that's been antisocial or insulting to anyone.  While I haven't been a member here that long, I value the interactions I've come to have with you guys here, and I am beginning to consider many of you I've conversed with here to be friends as well. 

And to be perfectly open and honest about this, that's more important to me now than it would probably be at other times because I'm 2,000 mi. away from my family now, for months at a time for the job I have now, and my work has left me little time to be very social and make friends, or participate in the kinds of things I normally like to do in my spare time.  I've made some good acquaintances with my students here, but you can never let yourself truly become a good friend with a student, if for no other reason than professionalism.

Okay, so this is a lot longer than I meant, so if you've read this far, thanks.  I appreciate it and the welcome and acceptance you guys have given me here.

[Mr. Whippy]

Just don't say fecal coagulation. 


 

[J-sews]

Fair enough Heinz, sounds like CPF's loss is our gain.

[jekostas]

The stuff posted in this thread is the reason I haven't been back to CPF.  Great info, some great members, heavy-handed and profit-first moderating. 

[mvyrmnd]

Just don't say fecal coagulation. 

Can I quote that as my sig? 

[mvyrmnd]

Sadly, the thread that got Dr. Doofenshmirtz a holiday from CPF is in the process of coming apart at the seams as more of the new Quarks arrive and are discovered to be bad.

The affected individual is being very vocal - I'm keen to see how it plays out.

[Mr. Whippy]

Just don't say fecal coagulation. 

Can I quote that as my sig? 

Be my guest. 

[mvyrmnd]

Aaand there it is... The vocal poster had been banned and all of his posts removed.

I'll take this opportunity to stop posting about CPF on this forum and get back to what I'm supposed to be talking about.

[Heinz Doofenshmirtz]

Well, at least they're staying true to form.