Please identify

[tapong]

i didnt take these photos

the first one seems to be from the 70s just not sure about the exact model number

the second is definitely odd since ive never seen a classic (i think) with plastic scales without the tnt.

[MirrorEdge]

I think that the first one is maybe a solo wenger 

And I think that the second one is economy or advertismt classic sd 

[meanx]

The first one I would say is a Victorinox 1071 Ur+ I have a similar one (1071 r+) but with out the bail hence the U added to your no.



the second one could be a Companion  but I'm not sure if they came with cellidor scales, I'm sure somebody out there will be able to help nice finds btw