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Time for a wee bit of controversy

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Time for a wee bit of controversy
on: October 08, 2011, 04:41:15 AM
With the advent of the new Leatherman Sidekick and Wingman.  One unique addition with those new tools is a carabiner that can also be used as a bottle opener, and a hex bit adaptor. :drool:
As exampled in Xelkos' picture.

The question now is,,,,,,,,should Leatherman start making it own line of one piece tools?? :think:
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Re: Time for a wee bit of controversy
Reply #1 on: October 08, 2011, 04:57:56 AM
I would love to see a Leatherman Pry bar based tool.  :tu:
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Re: Time for a wee bit of controversy
Reply #2 on: October 08, 2011, 05:12:16 AM
It would indeed start some controversy if they did BT! :pok: :D One-piece tools are by their very nature "simple", and any new players entering the game (like Leatherman) would be hard pressed to place the hex hole, pry surface, and cap lifter notch on their tool in an arrangement that wouldn't set off howls of plagiarism protests from fans of the more established makers. :viking: :D

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Re: Time for a wee bit of controversy
Reply #3 on: October 08, 2011, 05:20:37 AM
I think someone needs to find a way to attach a Atwood to a Leatherman.  :think: Uh O I think I might be onto something.  :ahhh
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Re: Time for a wee bit of controversy
Reply #4 on: October 08, 2011, 09:50:46 AM
and any new players entering the game (like Leatherman) would be hard pressed to place the hex hole, pry surface, and cap lifter notch on their tool in an arrangement that wouldn't set off howls of plagiarism protests from fans of the more established makers.

 :rofl:

I think it should be a no brainer for Leatherman. They have the manufacturing prowess to create some very complex, high quality tools, so I would imagine they could produce a one piecer very cheaply and sell it for a higher margin than their other products. I also believe there is still room to innovate with some outside-the-box thinking. Heck I have a couple of ideas but won't disclose them since I'm considering whether to pursue a patent. With a patent I wouldn't have to rant on the internet about plagiarism, I could actually do something about it or I could even sell my patent to a company like LTG :D


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Re: Time for a wee bit of controversy
Reply #5 on: October 08, 2011, 12:11:06 PM
I'd probably buy that carabiner if it wasn't too spendy... useful tool in itself.
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Re: Time for a wee bit of controversy
Reply #6 on: October 08, 2011, 12:16:22 PM
I think they should, as should the other manufacturers :)

I rather like my MTO shard, and my Artifact. One piece tool's have been around a lot longer than Atwood after all :)
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Re: Time for a wee bit of controversy
Reply #7 on: October 08, 2011, 12:33:21 PM
As far as I can remember I saw something from LM over at fb. The thing was one piece MT but it was only prototype, or blueprint...  :think: :think: :think:

Yep I've found it... T-rex...

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Re: Time for a wee bit of controversy
Reply #8 on: October 08, 2011, 02:06:34 PM
It would indeed start some controversy if they did BT! :pok: :D One-piece tools are by their very nature "simple", and any new players entering the game (like Leatherman) would be hard pressed to place the hex hole, pry surface, and cap lifter notch on their tool in an arrangement that wouldn't set off howls of plagiarism protests from fans of the more established makers. :viking: :D


You are right.  But a possible solution could be to do a contract-commision with the custom one piece tool makers(like what Spyderco does with the custom knife makers)
Leatherman cuts a deal with Raker and/or Atwood,,,,,,,problem solved ;)
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Re: Time for a wee bit of controversy
Reply #9 on: October 08, 2011, 02:15:06 PM
Are you guys saying those carabiners come with the wingman and sidekick?   :drool:


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Re: Time for a wee bit of controversy
Reply #10 on: October 08, 2011, 02:16:15 PM
As far as I can remember I saw something from LM over at fb. The thing was one piece MT but it was only prototype, or blueprint...  :think: :think: :think:

Yep I've found it... T-rex...

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=193274580711718&set=a.141866342519209.13330.122239001148610&type=3&theater

Here it is.....
I remember that FB classic!!  Thank you for proving my point!! :tu: :salute:

BTW, here's the T-rex that Edcgear talked about
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Re: Time for a wee bit of controversy
Reply #11 on: October 08, 2011, 02:17:22 PM
It would indeed start some controversy if they did BT! :pok: :D One-piece tools are by their very nature "simple", and any new players entering the game (like Leatherman) would be hard pressed to place the hex hole, pry surface, and cap lifter notch on their tool in an arrangement that wouldn't set off howls of plagiarism protests from fans of the more established makers. :viking: :D



A congressman in the late 1800's suggested that the US Patent office be closed because everything that could be invented had already been invented.  Reality proved him wrong and IMHO the same would be true here.  Creative minds and the entrepreneurial spirit seem to have an almost inexhaustible ability to come up with new ways to fulfill a need.
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Re: Time for a wee bit of controversy
Reply #12 on: October 08, 2011, 02:18:53 PM
Are you guys saying those carabiners come with the wingman and sidekick?   :drool:

Yes :drool: :gimme:
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Re: Time for a wee bit of controversy
Reply #13 on: October 08, 2011, 02:27:03 PM
It would indeed start some controversy if they did BT! :pok: :D One-piece tools are by their very nature "simple", and any new players entering the game (like Leatherman) would be hard pressed to place the hex hole, pry surface, and cap lifter notch on their tool in an arrangement that wouldn't set off howls of plagiarism protests from fans of the more established makers. :viking: :D



A congressman in the late 1800's suggested that the US Patent office be closed because everything that could be invented had already been invented.  Reality proved him wrong and IMHO the same would be true here.  Creative minds and the entrepreneurial spirit seem to have an almost inexhaustible ability to come up with new ways to fulfill a need.


But never forget, capitalism doesn't fulfill needs, but to create needs :think:
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Re: Time for a wee bit of controversy
Reply #14 on: October 08, 2011, 02:46:33 PM
Are you guys saying those carabiners come with the wingman and sidekick?   :drool:

Yes :drool: :gimme:

Actually no- the carabiner comes with the Sidekick only, not the Wingman.  See here for more details:

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,25395.0.html

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Re: Time for a wee bit of controversy
Reply #15 on: October 08, 2011, 02:47:35 PM
Are you guys saying those carabiners come with the wingman and sidekick?   :drool:

Yes :drool: :gimme:

Actually no- the carabiner comes with the Sidekick only, not the Wingman.  See here for more details:

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,25395.0.html

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Re: Time for a wee bit of controversy
Reply #16 on: October 08, 2011, 02:55:22 PM
I'd probably buy that carabiner if it wasn't too spendy... useful tool in itself.

Saw this last Wednesday:

Greg Seymour:
Will you be able to purchase the carabiner that comes with the new Sidekick separately?
Like · · Wednesday at 4:45pm

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 Yes we should have those up next year at the latest in the accessories section. Have to first make enough to meet boxed w/product demand. Juli@Leatherman
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Re: Time for a wee bit of controversy
Reply #17 on: October 08, 2011, 03:23:13 PM
Well, I'd like to see LTG revive this old tool, personally, here. :D


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Re: Time for a wee bit of controversy
Reply #18 on: October 08, 2011, 03:26:44 PM
When they first showed me the tools at SHOT last year, that was my first suggestion- make this carabiner available on it's own!  It's a really neat carabiner.

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Re: Time for a wee bit of controversy
Reply #19 on: October 08, 2011, 04:33:17 PM
Well, I'd like to see LTG revive this old tool, personally, here. :D

Funny that for all the possibility of controversy, in reality established makers of late have been producing a "unique" style tool that the Swedish American Telephone Company was selling 100 years ago...
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Re: Time for a wee bit of controversy
Reply #20 on: October 08, 2011, 04:38:38 PM
Who ever has the highest quality at the lowest price usually wins every time.If it was not for competition we may still be driving black Model T Fords and computers would still cost $2000.00.My little Gerber Artifact works for me and it's only about $10.00.Most of us would like to have a custom made $300-400 knife but actually buy a much cheaper mass produced knife that does the same job and the only thing we give up are bragging rights.


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Re: Time for a wee bit of controversy
Reply #21 on: October 08, 2011, 08:38:32 PM
Just remembered another Leatherman one-piece tool I have around here somewhere....


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Ahhh, found it! :)




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Re: Time for a wee bit of controversy
Reply #22 on: October 08, 2011, 08:39:32 PM
Thanks for rubbing that one in Bob!

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Re: Time for a wee bit of controversy
Reply #23 on: October 08, 2011, 08:45:36 PM
Hmmm, I can't recall, didn't yours get appropriated by the mailman or something?
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Re: Time for a wee bit of controversy
Reply #24 on: October 08, 2011, 09:36:14 PM
Nice one Bob... :drool: :drool:
 And whatta cool pen too... 8)  :D


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Re: Time for a wee bit of controversy
Reply #25 on: October 08, 2011, 09:49:31 PM
I have a unique carabiner, in that one has no laser etchings in it at all. Whilst the other two did. Not sure if LTG knew they sent a plain one.  :D

Now, I had to say... the other side can still be etched with something like, MTO MultitTool.Org with other stuff on the side. And/or the carabiner could be machined down to add a scraper, package opener, and slotted driver as a modification.

As for Leatherman making a one-piece tool, WHY NOT??!! 2 Tools is better than 1
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Re: Time for a wee bit of controversy
Reply #26 on: October 08, 2011, 10:44:12 PM
How is this controversial?  This would be *awesome*, but I don't know if there's a market big enough for Leatherman to pursue.


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Re: Time for a wee bit of controversy
Reply #27 on: October 08, 2011, 10:52:30 PM
How is this controversial?  This would be *awesome*, but I don't know if there's a market big enough for Leatherman to pursue.

Interesting choice of words mate; considering Leatherman created the multitool market.  :D


Alas, the one-piece tools have been out hundreds of years ago. Waiting for an adjustable solid-grip wrench that can be utilized with hexagonal nuts & bolts. Crunch bites in and can slip & mar. Is one of the reasons I bought a Piranha because it has 9/16" opening yet smaller & lighter than a common 6" crescent wrench. A lot less noisier too.

Looks like that is one tool that no one has perfected or revolutionized over time: the crescent wrench!


Wonder if this means the Crescent Wrench was created/developed by aliens??   :think:
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Re: Time for a wee bit of controversy
Reply #28 on: October 08, 2011, 11:37:55 PM
How is this controversial?  This would be *awesome*, but I don't know if there's a market big enough for Leatherman to pursue.
If the market was not big enough they could include one with their upper end MTs or include them as a Christmas bonus package.


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Re: Time for a wee bit of controversy
Reply #29 on: October 09, 2011, 05:42:47 AM
Nice one Bob... :drool: :drool:
 And whatta cool pen too... 8)  :D

I think so too Allan :D  (thanks again) :)
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