True, but why carry the Farmer with its woodsaw when the Spirit offers a better woodsaw?
I can forsee needing to hold a nut with the Spirit's pliers while turning a bolt using the Tinker's Phillips screwdriver, which can't be done with the Farmer.
In my experience, the end of the can opener works better for turning phillips screws than the backspring phillips, unless the head of the screw is in tight quarters. The backspring phillips is too polished and rounded to grab many screws, and has a very short reach due to the T-handle setup.
QuoteIn my experience, the end of the can opener works better for turning phillips screws than the backspring phillips, unless the head of the screw is in tight quarters. The backspring phillips is too polished and rounded to grab many screws, and has a very short reach due to the T-handle setup.This is true, even when I used to carry a Tinker I used the can opener tip unless it was a recessed screw. The Vic can opener is a pretty darn good Phillips screwdriver too.
I don't EDC my Spirit, but since I rarely go out it's usually near me. I keep in in a centrally located place in my house so I'm always close to it. And if I DO carry it I don't carry my Farmer.
But since getting my Farmer I have yet to come across a Phillips screw that couldn't be handled by the Farmer. I use the saw more often than I need to go find a different Phillips screwdriver so for me the Farmer is a better choice.
I don't need saw, day in day out, but I find it comforting to know it there
Ooops, my bad. I mis-remembered you mentioning that you EDC your Spirit.
However, a Hiker might well fit your needs even better as it offers both woodsaw AND dedicated Phillips driver.
I would say the Swisschamp but it is a too big sometimes . Its got to be a Climber paired with a Swisstool Not alot comes close .Dunc
A Spartan you say
Quote from: micky d on March 26, 2008, 07:28:50 PMA Spartan you say Yeah. You should get one.
They do one that comes without the key ring as well.
In your opinion, how is it "better"? The Farmer's woodsaw is longer than the Spirit's. IMO, that is "better".
A Farmer can't turn phillips head screws? In my experience, the end of the can opener works better for turning phillips screws than the backspring phillips, unless the head of the screw is in tight quarters. The backspring phillips is too polished and rounded to grab many screws, and has a very short reach due to the T-handle setup.
So, in general I'd prefer to use the SAK dedicated Phillips driver rather than the can opener. Plus, I encounter lots of recessed Phillips that the can opener won't even touch.
The saw on the Spirit does indeed lock open, but I've never had a Farmer saw blade fold on me, so I think it's a moot point, regarding the lock (or lack there off), the greater length of the Farmer however is hard to argue with
I agree, the inline one is far better. I just wish it didn't have to come on the same layer as a magnifyer.
Quote from: Benner on March 26, 2008, 07:42:22 PMI agree, the inline one is far better. I just wish it didn't have to come on the same layer as a magnifyer. ...or that crappy LED.I find uses for the magnifier, but most of the time I just put up with it as a consequence of needing the phillips.
Yep the inline is far better, until it closes on your fingers
Quote from: micky d on March 26, 2008, 07:37:04 PMThe saw on the Spirit does indeed lock open, but I've never had a Farmer saw blade fold on me, so I think it's a moot point, regarding the lock (or lack there off), the greater length of the Farmer however is hard to argue with I'm not arguing with it.Since you own both, perhaps you could enlighten me as to the difference in length?Personally, I'd prefer to have a slightly shorter locking saw to a slightly longer saw that didn't lock..
Quote from: micky d on March 26, 2008, 07:43:44 PMYep the inline is far better, until it closes on your fingers I've never had that happen, but I have had the backspring one close on me.Have you tried the newer phillips that comes with the new design magnifier? The backspring engages a slot in the back of the driver, and works as a passive "lock" that keeps it snapped open pretty tightly.
Quote from: NutSAK on March 26, 2008, 07:45:31 PMQuote from: Benner on March 26, 2008, 07:42:22 PMI agree, the inline one is far better. I just wish it didn't have to come on the same layer as a magnifyer. ...or that crappy LED.I find uses for the magnifier, but most of the time I just put up with it as a consequence of needing the phillips. Ever come across any mods that don't have either of these?