Swiss Bianco Yeoman

[bmot]

I don't know if Syph007 was right when he wrote " If it is a mis match then thats a factory error in the parts transition."
The factory model is a Spartan Lite I bought from the States thru Ebay  . It could be old stock .
The Explorer was bought here in Israel a year or so ago. I checked out Explorers in two stores this week. Both stores have a high turn around of SAKs.
In one store the Phillips opened smoothly all the way.
In the second store it had the weird clicking  "step" between half and fully open that Kid33 mentions.
Can't understand why 6 years after "the transition" there are parts still mismatched.
Maybe Syph007 can ask SwissBianco (Roger) about the parts that he used then and now?

The transition talked about here is a newer one, actually just done. This is -not- the one where the magglass changed, too.

[Shalom]

I don't know if Syph007 was right when he wrote " If it is a mis match then thats a factory error in the parts transition."
The factory model is a Spartan Lite I bought from the States thru Ebay  . It could be old stock .
The Explorer was bought here in Israel a year or so ago. I checked out Explorers in two stores this week. Both stores have a high turn around of SAKs.
In one store the Phillips opened smoothly all the way.
In the second store it had the weird clicking  "step" between half and fully open that Kid33 mentions.
Can't understand why 6 years after "the transition" there are parts still mismatched.
Maybe Syph007 can ask SwissBianco (Roger) about the parts that he used then and now?

The transition talked about here is a newer one, actually just done. This is -not- the one where the magglass changed, too.

Thank you for explaining that, bmot. I didn't know that the transition was a more recent one.

[bmot]

I don't know if Syph007 was right when he wrote " If it is a mis match then thats a factory error in the parts transition."
The factory model is a Spartan Lite I bought from the States thru Ebay  . It could be old stock .
The Explorer was bought here in Israel a year or so ago. I checked out Explorers in two stores this week. Both stores have a high turn around of SAKs.
In one store the Phillips opened smoothly all the way.
In the second store it had the weird clicking  "step" between half and fully open that Kid33 mentions.
Can't understand why 6 years after "the transition" there are parts still mismatched.
Maybe Syph007 can ask SwissBianco (Roger) about the parts that he used then and now?

The transition talked about here is a newer one, actually just done. This is -not- the one where the magglass changed, too.

Thank you for explaining that, bmot. I didn't know that the transition was a more recent one.

In this thread: [size=78%]http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,45331.0.html[/size] You can find the differences in the last new design. Of course, the one you were talking about is real, too That's where the put the new plastic mag glass in, and the shorter phillips. This is a much smaller change. Hope this was helpful 

[Shalom]

It is VERY helpful.
If you come to Jerusalem, dinner is on me.
(Syph007 is invited also , of course.) 

[bmot]

It is VERY helpful.
If you come to Jerusalem, dinner is on me.
(Syph007 is invited also , of course.) 

I'll hold you to that 

[kirk13]

So this years MTo Meet up is in Jerusalem?!

[Kid33]

I wrote to Swiss B and sent the Video and here is the reply I got.   

"hello,

i dont see that yours is different from the others, its checked at the factory

thanks" 

+B



 

[Maccabeus]

I wrote to Swiss B and sent the Video and here is the reply I got.   

"hello,
i dont see that yours is different from the others, its checked at the factory
thanks" 
+B

That's a disappointing response. Does he mean yours doesn't look different from the others in the video? (Because they sure look different to me). Or does he mean it doesn't look different from other SwissBianco Yeomans? (Which also seems false because I'm holding one and it opens normally like your other knives).

[stax]

I'll ironically point out that Im currently re-building that lockback mod (im doing hard anodized alox scales on it with brass liners) at the request of Victorinox USA.  They offered to compensate me for my time and materials.... so... us dirty modders have our uses.

Nice to see your work getting that recognition from Vic.

[metasyntax]

I have a factory Explorer with the newer magnifier in plastic and a SwissBianco Yeoman also with the newer magnifier.
Both have that "not smooth extra clicking between half and full open, and the backspring lift very little" that Kid33 is asking about.
On all my SAKs with the old style magnifier models  the Phillips opens smoothly till 90 degrees and continues smoothly from there till fully open.
So it may not be just SwissBianco.
Does everyone's factory Explorer (new magnifier ) have a smooth opening Phillips from half to full open ?

I checked two Explorers and a Champion last night, all of them bought factory new in the last year (but not within the last couple months), and all of them have the little hangup before it's fully open. An old Hoffritz Champion with the old magnifying glass, however, is smooth all the way 'round. So your results are consistent with mine.

[Gareth]

I wrote to Swiss B and sent the Video and here is the reply I got.   

"hello,

i dont see that yours is different from the others, its checked at the factory

thanks" 

+B



 

Huumm....not particularly helpful.  Given that Roger very likely didn't in fact put together your Yeoman, I think you might be best cutting him out of the equation altogether and sending your question directly to Victorinox themselves.  I know it sure doesn't look right to me, whatever Rodger says.

[Syph007]

I wrote to Swiss B and sent the Video and here is the reply I got.   

"hello,

i dont see that yours is different from the others, its checked at the factory

thanks" 

+B



 

Huumm....not particularly helpful.  Given that Roger very likely didn't in fact put together your Yeoman, I think you might be best cutting him out of the equation altogether and sending your question directly to Victorinox themselves.  I know it sure doesn't look right to me, whatever Rodger says.

Yep, since it's Victorinox assembled, it has a Victorinox warranty still.

[Shalom]

I took apart a factory Explorer that has the "extra" click - stop between the half and full open position of the Phillips. Attached is a photo of the backspring and Phillips.
It is the short Phillips with the Plastic Magnifier in the earlier configuration . ( I just learned that Syph007 reported a newer configuration).
From the picture one can see that at the bottom of the Phillips there is a corner at an oblique angle (marked "a") and after it, a touch higher up in the photo a second corner (marked "b").
Seems to me that as the Phillips rotates from the half open position toward fully open corner "a" very slightly presses the backspring outward (much less than newer models or the old long Phillips models) and the backspring returns after corner "b" has passed .It now rests on the flat between "a" and "b". This gives the feeling of a semi stop.
Don't know if this occurs in all the Vics with the plastic magnifier and short Phillips set of the earlier configuration , but it is a factory design.
 Of course I'll buy an Explorer with the newest configuration to replace the one I disassembled. 

[Kid33]

Hey Gang,
              I appreciate all the info being provided and the interest in the thread.   I think I am going to write Victorinox and see if they can replace to a smooth version of parts for my yeoman Mechanic.  Although the feel is weird, I wonder if it makes any difference in the longevity or performance?  It may not even be worth bothering about.

 Roger's lack of communication  and his customer service for the 80 dollars I spent did leave me feeling just a little un-important.   I do like the Knife however and would buy again. 

[hiljentaa]

Roger's lack of communication  and his customer service for the 80 dollars I spent did leave me feeling just a little un-important.

His response made me less willing to patronize his business...

[ICanFixThat]

It could be a mixture of old and new parts, I have not followed the thread intensly, but maybe this was their first attampt to make the phillips less likely to accidently close?  I'm not really sure it's worth worrying about; I thought it was intentional, but it could be the result of mixing different generation parts.